Serena
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Post by Serena on Dec 4, 2017 10:50:35 GMT
Mins & Bish cannot be replaced? What joke is that? So you suggest servant class deleted is it? I just say what benefit from bish+mins that maybe I cant get from servant+bish or mins. If you think pt always meta pt, its wrong. I saw ench sometimes welcomed in pt as well. So hw & sk can be replaced, but how about bish & mins? I think we need give servant chance like ench does. Well, I cant believe that my english is bad too much to make you misunderstand, so sorry about that. There isnt any cmt of mine means delete servant. First, if servant wants to replace mins, asobimo should delete sweet song. Problem that servant cant take mins's place because of that song not dream song (for farm situation, and because of all songs for grinding). I extremely dislike nerf or delete sweet song, do you like it? If not so please dont compare servant with mins, they have different rolls. Second, I never said bish cant be replaced by servant totally, that's why I said servant is a good company with auto class. Servant cant replace just because servant wants to join sk hw pt. Are skills of bish helpful for them or skills of servant? Think it carefully. Aura is cool with assult of hw but how many % they can proc while if auto class, especially with enchant has high autoskill%, maybe aura always appears (because hit, miss, or receive dmg all have chance to proc). I never think pt is always meta (erh~ what is meta and unmeta). I only think that bish is helpful, fit with sk and hw, especially they have low survial, dont tell me put a tanker in there because boss has area attack too. It's different for others class, with some classes they have high survial (maybe not good as you want but still better than sk and hw), they dont really need spam resu, spam heal is ok for them, and servant skills helpful for them. Why dont you pt with them, why do you just want join sk and hw which you call meta. There r many types of pt, some players make "meta" pt, Some players make the others types, and some players love to pt with their pet only xD, that's the game we enjoy.
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Post by Makina Yuki on Dec 4, 2017 11:25:05 GMT
serena "cant replace bish & mins place" is the main problem from your quotes. I usually pt with bish & mins so I know what their strength for my ench. However how about serv? outside its aura espada, they wont do much against high level boss. They has ss & clone, but many boss can ruin that so they hard to get pt. Main problem servant didnt get pt not only because zero & sk always need bish/mins to farm. Im ench, and I feel pt farm is really effective with bish & mins. Hard to replace them with current servant skills.
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Post by Makina Yuki on Dec 4, 2017 11:28:13 GMT
serena I dont want argue more with you about bish and mins thing, I will make this suggestion instead nerfing skills: Give servant skill to negate any kind of special attack, buff delete, or hp & mp delete. So no need to nerf ressu & dream, fair enough is it o.o/
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Post by Serena on Dec 4, 2017 12:06:12 GMT
Well, with big boss servant hard to pt (but not mean cant join others boses or grinding with classes different from "meta"), I agree this, and as you know the problem is at servant skills, so even asobimo nerf mins and bish as you wish, servant still be ruined by high lv boss. Nerf just make us feel fair but not solve the problem. Chill and stay calm, the rebalance will come soon, I believe they will enhance servant great at their roll. Servant is servant, bish is bish, dont compare to each other, bish and servant will share places to take care other classes, not replace.
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Post by Serena on Dec 4, 2017 12:28:08 GMT
Btw I remember servant will have skill buff aspd, they should change to interval attack 5 or 10 sec (great to go with monk new skill because they need to save a bar% from attack I forget name). If not change seems it useless like skill Accelerate from alchemist
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Post by Makina Yuki on Dec 4, 2017 12:48:48 GMT
Actually asobimo will adjust instant kill attack boss (yey \._./) so maybe we never saw boss do instant kill skill or attack again (that means there are no longer damage based your 100% Hp unless your Hp is too low).
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Post by Makina Yuki on Dec 4, 2017 12:54:05 GMT
I still hope there are any skill that pervent us got buff delete (or maybe hp & mp delete as well) and servant will got that skill. I dont mind if that skill effect will gone if buff delete trigger, also I hope that skill is single target skill (like ressu) so it will not too broken.
Btw, attack interval buff from serv sometimes useless for auto attack class since most of them has skill to utilize their sh like attack :v. However, it will be different story if that skill can make bander and qadal has no cast time at all.
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Post by asteg on Dec 4, 2017 13:55:28 GMT
Serv only has skills up to 260 so they can't really have skills on par with lvl 320 skills, asobimo needs to get the stick out and release the rest of the skills, which doesn't really make sense in itself cuz pally got ko at 260, snipers aren't welcome in parties alot for some reason too, maybe asobimo should make the dmg consistent instead of 20k-100k different
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Post by arslan on Dec 4, 2017 14:09:52 GMT
this thread is becoming PIE. These people need to know that their arguments is just a waste of time. No matter how hard you push your ideas asobomio will never heard you (or maybe?) so just chill and wait for this to be implemented
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Post by Fatima on Dec 4, 2017 14:12:33 GMT
Just passing by. This thread has got too many outputs, most of them funny though hihi🤣
I think we all should wait for it, and accept it. After all the poll has been taken, decisions already made up and developers at Asobimo are not going to read the unofficial forum seeking for ideas.
Regarding to the party issues some forum members mention, I really have no idea what are they talking about.
Didn't we all distort the meaning of MMORPG in favor of solo builds? So in fact the party thingy is not a factor to take in mind to decide whether to nerf or to buff 'x' class.
I think that classes are already balanced, the difference is that some are way easier to play with or are easier to gear up(in many cases a cheap set is enough to see some substantial results)
Thinking as assassin here, I have no complains, no issues that slow me down. Tried other classes, only kept the ones that suit to my gaming style. Less stress, less struggle.
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Post by klint on Dec 4, 2017 14:48:40 GMT
Not really for asobimo to be noticed but a good way of waiting till the update, exciting as its getting deeper and deeper from the original post. Brainstorming is good way to wait I hope I'm an experinced one too share ideas.
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Post by Makina Yuki on Dec 4, 2017 14:55:04 GMT
Yea you are right guys, probably I argue too much, eventhough I dont really care with meta pt today because I fine with my ench either solo or pt (also because I hiatus now). I just hope that other unpopular class can enjoy pt without underestimated by others.
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Post by isntjoaquim on Dec 4, 2017 15:36:55 GMT
I still hope there are any skill that pervent us got buff delete (or maybe hp & mp delete as well) and servant will got that skill. I dont mind if that skill effect will gone if buff delete trigger, also I hope that skill is single target skill (like ressu) so it will not too broken. Btw, attack interval buff from serv sometimes useless for auto attack class since most of them has skill to utilize their sh like attack :v. However, it will be different story if that skill can make bander and qadal has no cast time at all. Theres already a skill like that xD sometimes debuff wont happen when playing as alchemist
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Post by Tilt*Madara on Dec 4, 2017 18:06:13 GMT
Think about bishop res for a second...
Base: Single target skill, revives to 75% max after a hit. Long cooldown and high cost, high hate rise
Gear Modified: potentially costs 1mp, instant, single target, revives to 75% max, minimal hate rise
Weaknesses: Fast hitting enemies, fast and high damage enemies, MP delete, Cost increase, skill delay increase, revival debuff, generating too much hate too fast(becoming the main target) and AOE damage (Since it is a single target skill).
You have to gear your bishop around resu in order to make it that useful. To get all the modified effects*
Pretty much any class and skill will be OP if used with the right combination of Consumables, gear, other class buffs etc.
Now I will agree that in a party Res is a very mainstream thing because it’s just that useful. At the same time There is no real way to nerf it. Maybe keep it at 25% or 50% max? Maybe give an exhaust effect to someone recently revived? Or possibly boost bosses to have attacks that bypass the revival effects.
It’s sorta hard to say something is OP when without the modifications, at base, it’s extremely UP
Back to High Wizard, Id say its balanced again. Just because girigori has that super long cooldown and even after using it, you have to use bandersnatch, and even that doesnt have a 100% rate of success.
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Post by Tilt*Madara on Dec 4, 2017 18:10:18 GMT
And to address this servant, necromancer and other “incomplete class” thing....They are incomplete... Of course they wont replace or fill a wide roll for anything. Whens the last time you seen a high wizard using fire lance and ice sphere to kill a boss at a high level?
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