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Post by Makina Yuki on Dec 4, 2017 3:24:42 GMT
♪Sumire Try survive as samu at minela (human form). Unless you had correct stats or gear, you will be easily died (not including fact that you need pots too). Moreover, either gladi or ench can do minela better than samu (with less pots). As for hate rise, if samu using provoke as hate attractor. Ench can do it better than samu does since they are king of autoskill. Actually ench even dont need provoke to attract hate. Thats why samu need some skill to attract hate.
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Post by ●Kittkat on Dec 4, 2017 3:46:38 GMT
Asobimo: we're going to rebalance the classes
Also Asobimo: "Hold my beer, let's make all equips 2s first"
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Serena
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~Nhà nghèo character đông~
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Post by Serena on Dec 4, 2017 5:21:08 GMT
Again~ mins has sweet song you should remember that, the skill that makes no class can replace mins, so dont think mins dream song or whatever skill of mins makes servant be forgetten.
Let me tell you the truth of resu, it's not like what you heard. Resu takes tons of hate (higher than hate + skill of servant). I dont understand "no hate rise unless you are targeted". I think any class has no hate rise unless be targeted, not only bish. Every boss has a different zone (small, normal, or large) that u can do whatever you want without being targeted if you are outside that area (unless you attack boss xD). And if you are in that zone, should careful with every movement, you will be targeted and take hate. If a bish in there, with 1 time resu, they will be targeted, more than 1 time (up to which class is tanking) usually 2-3 times, boss will be interested in bish, leaves the others and run follow bish. That's why players always say "bish stay far". Btw, I remember in this thread, a player and me already confirm resu hate rise before, dont know why you keep thinking like that.
About spam heal, I said that I dont want to spam heal to 300k+ HP PALLY. Even with matk set, punish skill at 100% my bright heal only around 65k hp. Of course I cant increase punish to 100% and I dont want to use bright heal in pt farm unless I wanna suicide.
If you feel meta pt is boring, why you try to separate them to join by blaming on their skills, just make another type pt, like what I said, "lfm..." instead of "lfp...". The problem most players find meta pt only is because they dont know abilities of other classes. If you truely love other classes, you should show how great they are, not blame on players why dont know awesome abilities they have. My friend mins was shock when joined an assassin pt farm s400 by his powerful and now think differently about meta pt. That sin knows what 's his power and what he needs then find mem pt. I'm sure if that sin just wait for be pt by saying "lfp sin s400", my friend wont have chance to know how great sin is.
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Post by ManaKhe on Dec 4, 2017 5:26:54 GMT
ManaKhe I agree about ressurect part, however sk & zero dps arent that great actually. In fact, some bosses can killed faster if your party dps is sin or ench. I always wonder, why ppl choose sk & zero over sin at raton farming? sin is far more effective (either for dps or farm consistency) when you farm raton. As for ench, with party only consist bish & mins, I can do iniliba less than 15 sec including rebuff and manage hate better than single sk or zero does. Fyi, at melee barrier boss, ench dps up by 25%-50%. Also, try use meta party at mamonea, your party will be doomed. Indeed, gladi, servant, and samu need some love because their niche not really relevant compared to another class. I had auto attack samu and her dps is far bellow my ench when she at same level. Not including fact that samu eats a lot of pots compared to my ench (which ridiculously self-suficent without any pots and better survival). Only good thing about my samu is its aoe is uniqe and you can do mob spawn trick with them. Dont get wrong, I like my samu as well as my ench, but I think samu need more boost to make they viable in party. As for mins, skills that make mpc to 1 (aka dream song) is another broken skill. Thats why servant never get party. Since mins will got survival skill, I hope at least they nerfed dream song by little (for example reduce mpc by -80% instead make mpc to 1). I really don't think Servant and Minstrel will ever compete for the same spot. Servant is very clearly a healer due to most skills being related to healing. Their healing is actually really good as well, still behind Bishop but not drastically excluding Resurrect. However their buffs outside of healing aren't all that great when compared to Bishop. Minstrel buffs are in a whole other world compared to Bishop and Servant haha. I think maybe Dream Song adding a Atk and Matk -20% or something would work better. But in all honesty I think Dream Song is fine the way it is. It would only make Minstrel compete with Hwiz/Chanter/Alchemist/Necro and 2 of those really won't have an issue getting a party or being effective in one. Also I hope Minstrel doesn't get too much in the way of survival buffs, then I would consider them OP haha.
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Makina Yuki
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Post by Makina Yuki on Dec 4, 2017 5:29:42 GMT
serena If you wonder why I said that because I usually pt with them (either as ench or sk) so I know benefit I get if I pt with bish & mins. I like pt, but I feel I dont get benefit from servant as good as mins+bish for boss battle. Mins & Bish cannot be replaced? What joke is that? So you suggest servant class deleted is it? I just say what benefit from bish+mins that maybe I cant get from servant+bish or mins. If you think pt always meta pt, its wrong. I saw ench sometimes welcomed in pt as well. So hw & sk can be replaced, but how about bish & mins? I think we need give servant chance like ench does.
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Post by Makina Yuki on Dec 4, 2017 5:34:37 GMT
Again, Im not bashing x class. Instead, I give suggestion about how to make x class can at least had chance to competate with other class. Dps class for now almost balanced. Just re balance support & tanking class.
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Post by Makina Yuki on Dec 4, 2017 5:39:57 GMT
ManaKhe Mins will got survival skill based in Japan Iruna official blog, so they will be better than servant in general.
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Post by ●Kittkat on Dec 4, 2017 5:44:17 GMT
Don't nerf any class... find some friends if you can't solo. So much hate for the classes that do well in party's. Don't like it, make one of those class.
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Post by ManaKhe on Dec 4, 2017 5:47:07 GMT
Please please please thousand times dont lay the blame on bish and mins that make servant cant join a pt. Just look at their skill, they need to be enhanced, not about mins bish need to be nerfed. First, about mins, they have to be in pt because of sweet song, not only because of dream song (sometimes I join a pt without mins, especially pt has class can heal mp, everthing is fine except rare XP), and servant (what I mean all class) cant replace. xD do you want to nerf sweet song for servant can get a chance to replace mins? Second, about bish, remember that I've told before in this topic, even resu disappear in iruna, bish still have a slot for support classes need magic buff. Magic pierce (lv 3 matk +20%) and limit of bish buff dmg well for magic type same as mins, and just look back to servant skill, even with skill not release, the buffs add only 6% matk and atk. So if servant want to replace bish in a pt spam skill deal dmg has formula with matk, it seems impossible. But, servant is a good company with auto classes, using additional attack type, because of skill aura espada. This skill has dmg as high as dajarte (with my servant I see higher, maybe because I have neutral element boost from cortege). As you see, servant is not a buff dmg by increasing stat matk and atk, but an add one auto dmg class. Again, I know resu is really awesome but it's not the reason makes servant cant join a pt totally. Btw, I see one part of resu can nerf that's at lv3 recovery 75% hp, maybe if still think it op, can decrease to 50% (25% is too low in my opinion). For personal thinking, I dont want to nerf resu because I dont want to spam heal to a 300k+ hp pally =))) and about resu makes any class can be a tank is not totally true. Tank has 2 parts, one is survial, the other is hate rise. As you know, resu takes hate a lot so it's not extremely powerful. Talk about servant, for being useful in pt I have some ideas. First of all, light of shield when buffed should change to another name so that we can get more skin layers if pt with gla or enchant. Second, mirror coat be a pt buff like light of shield. Third, servant can see those buffs of pt mems or at least can see the sign when pt mem loses them like resu, if not servant just like a blind person read a map to find ways. Fourth, control hate rise better, Im not really satisfied with hate control skills atm. Btw~ instead of "jealous" with hw and sk dmg, feeling unfair, we should do more PR, advertise how great dmg dealing of other classes. Im sure only hw and sk can be easily find a pt just because players know clearly about them and have not much info about others. In the other side, instead of saying "lfp ..." we should know what ability we have, and which class we need to pt with then say "lfm ..." Resurrect is definitely not the only reason Servant isn't picked, however as long as Resurrect functions the way it does then Servant can't compete period. And the way to nerf it isn't to decrease the recovery amount, it's to make a minimum skill delay or an exhaustion for it. Resurrect spam should be removed entirely. It single handedly made tanks useless. Tanks can't be made useful again unless Resu is fixed. Certain bosses need an actual tank as Resu spam doesn't work, but this is rare and its kinda silly for a class to only be able to fulfill it's role on certain bosses. As for the buffs to Servant you mentioned: I'm fine with it overwriting other Stoneskins, it just needs to be a lot stronger. I'm sure most Enchanter and Gladiator would prefer to not spam Stoneskin with Servant in the party as long as Servant Stoneskin is at least a little bit effective. Still can't be as strong as the other 2 though. Mirror Coat can stay a 1 person buff. Vitalize(the HP/MP buff, can't remember if thats the name of it) should also buff ATK+MATK as well. Highness Bless lvl 2 needs to come out with a 1 minute duration. You can't just PR your way out of a meta party. It has never worked before, it won't work now. As it stands currently only a couple classes can compete with SK HW. You can repeat the same "stop being jealous" line thats said in any balance discussion ever but it's obvious stuff isn't balanced in Iruna currently and hasn't been for a while.
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Post by Makina Yuki on Dec 4, 2017 5:53:36 GMT
If you want class balance but dont nerfing bish & mins skills, just give servant skills than pervent pt got buff delete, hp delete, and mp delete. o.o/
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♪Sumire
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Summoner new skills pls *-*
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Post by ♪Sumire on Dec 4, 2017 7:27:33 GMT
♪Sumire Try survive as samu at minela (human form). Unless you had correct stats or gear, you will be easily died (not including fact that you need pots too). Moreover, either gladi or ench can do minela better than samu (with less pots). As for hate rise, if samu using provoke as hate attractor. Ench can do it better than samu does since they are king of autoskill. Actually ench even dont need provoke to attract hate. Thats why samu need some skill to attract hate. minela hmmm -- just use gears that got high magic resist -- all iniliba /sieger / although if ur a high vit / high eva auto samurai hcb will keep u alive -- and minela dont have much hp so u can solo her ..dont forget samu got magic canceler as well as physical dmg nullifier although i never said anything about samu being better on survival against ench or gladi though --and its also a fact that hw can solo minela 1 with full wizard setup -- yeah here i am defending my classs again xD
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Post by Done~with~forums on Dec 4, 2017 7:27:47 GMT
I have played every class and almost every build and atm my main is a servant Its a every unique class and i see most of you dont understand its skills
The "weak" stone skin can actually save you from massive dmg its like mirage skill for hw but without mp calculation great for bosses with that insta kill move y'all wanted removed
Aura espada can actually add 350k+dmg to a zero ray hw granted it needs to be eva evasion or takeing a hit and during assault buff but its still nice dmg
Highness bless heals based on your max hp and 5 secs interval and is spamable/mp cost so low it Will replace what it cost xD the range is HUGE as in best way to aoe heal
Minstrel is on a godly lvl when it comes to buffs you cant compare it to bish or servant....
I asked around and they said they dont want to pt a servant only bc it it has no rev buff
As for healing with no heal boosting gear my servant can heal 50k with lvl 2 enrage and soon to be lvl 3 enrage(not released)
Again i currently have both classes so fight me°^°
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Post by NightBreeze on Dec 4, 2017 8:11:50 GMT
Everybody saying class X should be nerfed just needs to make a character of that class and enjoy it and stop complaining. You don't make a class shine by nerfing others, that's just stupid. You make a class be needed by giving it unique skills or making it better in some way than other classes.
Currently servant is better at healing than bishop, people don't seem aware of it. Also people seem to forget that resu needs like -8 sec SD to spam. I'd say that's a pretty good balancing factor.
People always figure out a way to make a certain class seem OP.
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Post by Makina Yuki on Dec 4, 2017 10:46:10 GMT
♪Sumire Try survive as samu at minela (human form). Unless you had correct stats or gear, you will be easily died (not including fact that you need pots too). Moreover, either gladi or ench can do minela better than samu (with less pots). As for hate rise, if samu using provoke as hate attractor. Ench can do it better than samu does since they are king of autoskill. Actually ench even dont need provoke to attract hate. Thats why samu need some skill to attract hate. minela hmmm -- just use gears that got high magic resist -- all iniliba /sieger / although if ur a high vit / high eva auto samurai hcb will keep u alive -- and minela dont have much hp so u can solo her ..dont forget samu got magic canceler as well as physical dmg nullifier although i never said anything about samu being better on survival against ench or gladi though --and its also a fact that hw can solo minela 1 with full wizard setup -- yeah here i am defending my classs again xD I test it before, and it not work for samu, thats why I said hard (test it at mq & sq).
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Post by Makina Yuki on Dec 4, 2017 10:47:26 GMT
Everybody saying class X should be nerfed just needs to make a character of that class and enjoy it and stop complaining. You don't make a class shine by nerfing others, that's just stupid. You make a class be needed by giving it unique skills or making it better in some way that other classes. Currently servant is better at healing than bishop, people don't seem aware of it. Also people seem to forget that resu needs like -8 sec SD to spam. I'd say that's a pretty good balancing factor. People always figure out a way to make a certain class seem OP. Then make unpopular class has op skills such as servant has skill to negate buff delete, mp delete, or even hp delete because even with its limit, bish still able spam ressu with -sd sets
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