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Post by blackghost on Mar 11, 2021 22:35:07 GMT
I see they're making more items for paladins that give boosts to specific moves. The other day it was that one sword with +6% guardian damage (it had crap stats but if I had to name a paladin build that could utilize it best it'd be Attack Paladins with the VIT/STR/DEX build) and now this one that gives additional holy thrust damage (holy thrust being a magic paladin's bread and butter) but once again the stats aren't good enough. And i was almost excited to see a good magic sword made for magic paladins. actually the sword is really good why? Holy thrust is a light magic and its benefits from it 25% is a huge and it got holy thrust dmg +10%. 1. There are no good paladin builds that use auto attack or even magic autoskills so the matk auto skill is worthless 2. It gives no DEF, HP or MDEF boosts which is a magic paladin's bread and butter. 3. Because it gives no defensive boosts additionally and the whole purpose of a paladin is to tank in a party the sword really has only 1 benefit and that's just more holy thrust damage. Note: I just had a nice idea for a build while typing this. "Light autoskill paladin" would be pretty interesting to make despite a paladin's lack of MATK based skills, grand crusade aside. Though thinking about it now it'd have the same DPS as an adventurer with the same build but with more defensive stats and HP. With the help of light dmg autoskill xtals, regular defensive equips, autoskill apostilia with autoskill configs and light elemental DMG relics it could be possible? I definitely have to experiment with this. The build would be VIT/INT/DEX and I even have a full set of equips in mind. IKUZOOOOOOOO!!!!!
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Post by Nobody (Retired for now) on Mar 11, 2021 22:52:26 GMT
blackghost maybe enough agi could help. Or simply Dual Blow could help a lot. Btw, I do really enjoy watching uncommon builds (☆^☆)
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Post by ≧▽≦Pipopapo on Mar 12, 2021 13:18:11 GMT
actually the sword is really good why? Holy thrust is a light magic and its benefits from it 25% is a huge and it got holy thrust dmg +10%. 1. There are no good paladin builds that use auto attack or even magic autoskills so the matk auto skill is worthless 2. It gives no DEF, HP or MDEF boosts which is a magic paladin's bread and butter. 3. Because it gives no defensive boosts additionally and the whole purpose of a paladin is to tank in a party the sword really has only 1 benefit and that's just more holy thrust damage. Note: I just had a nice idea for a build while typing this. "Light autoskill paladin" would be pretty interesting to make despite a paladin's lack of MATK based skills, grand crusade aside. Though thinking about it now it'd have the same DPS as an adventurer with the same build but with more defensive stats and HP. With the help of light dmg autoskill xtals, regular defensive equips, autoskill apostilia with autoskill configs and light elemental DMG relics it could be possible? I definitely have to experiment with this. The build would be VIT/INT/DEX and I even have a full set of equips in mind. IKUZOOOOOOOO!!!!! Def and Mdef stat are trash, Just max sr ur arm add gear and git gud, the main purpose of this sword is for holy thrust and doing magic auto paladin? Hell nah you better create an Ench and make an auto light set.
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Post by Loftyz47 on Mar 12, 2021 19:58:40 GMT
from swordsman event part 2,
Ten Bundle Sword Fragment / 十束剣の欠片 (spec) Light Magic+10%, ATK+5%, If equipped with Sword: Light Magic+8%, Light magic attack chance
maybe light ench could be a thing
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Post by Nobody (Retired for now) on Mar 13, 2021 4:03:29 GMT
from swordsman event part 2, Ten Bundle Sword Fragment / 十束剣の欠片 (spec) Light Magic+10%, ATK+5%, If equipped with Sword: Light Magic+8%, Light magic attack chance maybe light ench could be a thing We got many OP Light boosters. Like those, and even Tsarita Rod. But, only a crappy Light Auto Xtal: Gewalt. Spoiler: It sucks. *I wish Asobimo could give some love to Light Element.
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Post by Nobody (Retired for now) on Mar 13, 2021 4:08:00 GMT
Maybe Klein Love Frederico
Struggler Gewalt
Angel Ring Mujie
SBS Gewalt and Agira Jarma Or if lucky: Ten Bundle Sword Fragment Agira Jarma
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Post by Undyne on Mar 13, 2021 5:33:05 GMT
I'd be interested to see a dps pally that wasn't a joke. Spam Holy thrust to 150% HoK>Yeet oath>repeat. Seems like some actual respectable damage.
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Post by blackghost on Mar 13, 2021 8:32:26 GMT
1. There are no good paladin builds that use auto attack or even magic autoskills so the matk auto skill is worthless 2. It gives no DEF, HP or MDEF boosts which is a magic paladin's bread and butter. 3. Because it gives no defensive boosts additionally and the whole purpose of a paladin is to tank in a party the sword really has only 1 benefit and that's just more holy thrust damage. Note: I just had a nice idea for a build while typing this. "Light autoskill paladin" would be pretty interesting to make despite a paladin's lack of MATK based skills, grand crusade aside. Though thinking about it now it'd have the same DPS as an adventurer with the same build but with more defensive stats and HP. With the help of light dmg autoskill xtals, regular defensive equips, autoskill apostilia with autoskill configs and light elemental DMG relics it could be possible? I definitely have to experiment with this. The build would be VIT/INT/DEX and I even have a full set of equips in mind. IKUZOOOOOOOO!!!!! Def and Mdef stat are trash, Just max sr ur arm add gear and git gud, the main purpose of this sword is for holy thrust and doing magic auto paladin? Hell nah you better create an Ench and make an auto light set. Res gets rid of a certain percent of damage. Def and mdef reduces everything else (except rate cut) a good balance of both is prime strategy to be ready for anything. And the magic auto paladin build is an experiment. You won't know what's good until you try. If past players settled for tradition then we wouldn't wouldn't have the variation of builds we have now. Reject tradition, embrace wierdness. Also an ench won't be able to make as good use of this sword as a magic paladin. An ench would be better off with an Excalibur or accord sword for a light magic DPS build.
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Post by blackghost on Mar 13, 2021 8:37:55 GMT
from swordsman event part 2, Ten Bundle Sword Fragment / 十束剣の欠片 (spec) Light Magic+10%, ATK+5%, If equipped with Sword: Light Magic+8%, Light magic attack chance maybe light ench could be a thing HOh? I was already building a light set for my alt enchanter. This shall be a good addition (when it hits English servers).
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Post by ≧▽≦Pipopapo on Mar 13, 2021 8:44:26 GMT
Def and Mdef stat are trash, Just max sr ur arm add gear and git gud, the main purpose of this sword is for holy thrust and doing magic auto paladin? Hell nah you better create an Ench and make an auto light set. Res gets rid of a certain percent of damage. Def and mdef reduces everything else (except rate cut) a good balance of both is prime strategy to be ready for anything. And the magic auto paladin build is an experiment. You won't know what's good until you try. If past players settled for tradition then we wouldn't wouldn't have the variation of builds we have now. Reject tradition, embrace wierdness. Also an ench won't be able to make as good use of this sword as a magic paladin. An ench would be better off with an Excalibur or accord sword for a light magic DPS build. I reoeat Def and Mdef stat are trash. You can easily cap Melee R with Max Sr on Both Arm&Add. I guess you havent tried using Holy Thrust on Paladin. Also on Autoskill Any other class Except Enchanter got a Soft Cap on Auto dmg like 10k so its not good on auto paladin. The sword aint good for ench? Try to read the stat again . This is my last Reply to you cause ur crappy idea made me facepalm.
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Post by ≧▽≦Pipopapo on Mar 13, 2021 8:47:06 GMT
I'd be interested to see a dps pally that wasn't a joke. Spam Holy thrust to 150% HoK>Yeet oath>repeat. Seems like some actual respectable damage. Prolly 800k~ish dmg HT cause i saw a guy dealing 600k HT. But the main problem is HT dmg will lower if you got less hp so Oath is not an option unless you spam Guild revita xd
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Post by blackghost on Mar 13, 2021 9:15:56 GMT
Res gets rid of a certain percent of damage. Def and mdef reduces everything else (except rate cut) a good balance of both is prime strategy to be ready for anything. And the magic auto paladin build is an experiment. You won't know what's good until you try. If past players settled for tradition then we wouldn't wouldn't have the variation of builds we have now. Reject tradition, embrace wierdness. Also an ench won't be able to make as good use of this sword as a magic paladin. An ench would be better off with an Excalibur or accord sword for a light magic DPS build. I reoeat Def and Mdef stat are trash. You can easily cap Melee R with Max Sr on Both Arm&Add. I guess you havent tried using Holy Thrust on Paladin. Also on Autoskill Any other class Except Enchanter got a Soft Cap on Auto dmg like 10k so its not good on auto paladin. The sword aint good for ench? Try to read the stat again . This is my last Reply to you cause ur crappy idea made me facepalm. My first try on the autoskill gave a nice 11k DMG max cause I used two equips with MATK up by VIT. There are 2 other equips that do that that I can use simultaneously. Plus, with berserk and a boost ring I can max aspd and cut intervals in half. And the objective with this build isn't high DPS but to find a decent paladin build that uses magic to do DMG instead of melee in hopes to creating an interesting build. Also I never said enchanters aren't suited for the sword I said they aren't as suited as a paladin seeing as its biggest merits are aimed at paladins and bishops. But if you think it would suit enchanters better then go ahead fam. But the reason I thought of this build is an idea that popped up in my head while typing my thoughts on this sword: Holy thrust does high damage but uses up a huge chunk of MP which I need to spam guardian with. But what if I didn't have to spam guardian? What if I did magic damage instead? "This sword would be perfect in that case" I thought to myself. I'm running tests but I'm planning on combining this sword with a light bulb (strengthened 2) as well as a range of other stuff to amplify DMG. Currently the autoskill trigger rate is the only problem. But in truth I just love experimenting in games. Its why it took me 3yrs to reach lvl350 simply because I was busy doing everything but MQ and exp grinding. I just want to see something interesting. Also enjoy getting +40k DMG from lvl400 sauro with 95% res. But you're free to do what you want.
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Post by blackghost on Mar 13, 2021 10:26:21 GMT
Forgot to mention this:
Res reduces already done DMG. But that already done damage rise and falls with your defensive stats.
Let's say you had one guy with 500 DEF and 95% melee res and a guy with 1.5k DEF and 95% melee res take the same melee attack from the same boss you'd find the second guy taking less damage. Its how the devs balance out things so you don't find a lvl80 guy with a res set tanking a hit from lvl400 jahoel with little dmg and is also why its not possible.
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Post by Undyne on Mar 13, 2021 14:10:23 GMT
Mdef/Def are very weak, and have little effect on damage recieved. Resistance reduces damage by a%, Def/Mdef subtracts it. Unless you get 20k+Mdef, it won't be nearly as effective as magic Resist.
Nicest part of pally Imo is Fortis. Element resistance is incredibly strong, so it makes it less painful to skip on some resist/Hp. But building for Def/Mdef/Hp alone is gonna shoot you in the foot when it comes to actual enemies.
Point being, you're not missing out on much by not building for Def/Mdef. You'll take maybe 1k-2k more dmg.
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Post by senoragi on Mar 13, 2021 14:59:01 GMT
I'd be interested to see a dps pally that wasn't a joke. Spam Holy thrust to 150% HoK>Yeet oath>repeat. Seems like some actual respectable damage. this is my damage using holy thrust on a paladin with a set focused on light magic. Well Agira Jarma is fire element so I couldn't reach 1.3m +
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