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Post by Arata on Aug 12, 2017 15:24:55 GMT
From my old post on other thread in this enchanter section, I already share that Vigan's additional magic damage is not as strong as Dim IV's additional magic damage. But vigan gives more matk than dim iv.
The different is like this:
Dim IV (have the same damage as dajarte)
- dealt 70k additional magic damage (from dim)
- dealt 70k additional magic damage (from dajarte on armor)
- dealt 70k additional magic damage (from dajarte on additional)
- additional 30k enchant weapon damage
Vigan Scythe (have lower damage than dajarte)
- dealt 40k additional magic damage (from vigan)
- dealt 75k additional magic damage (from dajarte on armor)
- dealt 75k additional magic damage (from dajarte on additional)
- additional 30k enchant weapon damage
And now, how about gram? does it have the same damage as dajarte like dim iv or have lower damage than dajarte like vigan?
If gram's additional magic damage is lower than dajarte then Earthquake Bell still a lot better (see other thread about earthquake bell) which means 300m or more for gram slot is not worth. And if this happens, it'll end up like gewalt which has a ridiculous price at first but has a low damage that make it not worth to buy.
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Post by NightBreeze on Aug 12, 2017 15:57:36 GMT
I think the earth magic set with Earthquake Bell will be better also in the future, when Enchanter gets Mana Convert (lv340 skill), which strengthens elemental magic.
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Post by Makina Yuki on Aug 12, 2017 17:51:39 GMT
Im not sure, but i saw Jp ench do 120-180k per auto on sauro 350 with Earth set mana convert lv4 meanwhile she do 150k-220k per auto with dark set & mana convert lv3
Here her video
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Post by pingrek on Aug 12, 2017 18:14:38 GMT
Im not sure, but i saw Jp ench do 120-180k per auto on sauro 350 with Earth set mana convert lv4 meanwhile she do 150k-220k per auto with dark set & mana convert lv3 Here her video It appears she's using dark book so that may be one reason as to why she can do more with dajarte |
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Post by Makina Yuki on Aug 12, 2017 18:27:34 GMT
I see, that must be 2s dark book. But dajarte damage formula is atk & matk based, so with dark buff from Ghost ring up it will outdamage other magic auto that only matk based.
I doing some test with full daja+g.ring buff vs earth set and daja wins with around 85k-100k damage meanwhile earth set do 78k-90k.
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Post by Makina Yuki on Aug 12, 2017 18:31:10 GMT
Back to topic, I think Dim still provide higher damage since i saw many jp ench video that shows gram damage is lower than daja auto but gram provide more auto & spell brust rate. Also i saw on jp iruna wiki dim sword iv will got update so dim will got high matk too
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Post by Ryukengan on Aug 12, 2017 19:54:17 GMT
Dim still beats Gram in terms of damage but like mentioned before it boosts the damage of the other Dajarte autos more than a normal one. I think a Gram 2s with 1 Sauro II and 1 Dajarte might actually beat a Dim 2s though due to the spell burst, but you would lose out on 1 potential Sauro II stat from a Dim 2s. Makina Yuki the Dim V upgrade is really a really small boost.. only 2 more stats, 3% auto and 25 ATK more. Gram still has the 10% spell burst rate that is hard to come and still higher ATK. So you would have to ask yourself if it's worth losing HP/MP, 4% MATK and some melee/magic pierce for a tiny bit more DPS. I highly doubt it's worth it. Also the reasons why a Dark Magic set is still supreme ON JP are: Paul al: Dark Magic+15%, Light Magic -10% Catafnia al: DEX + 3 skill delay - 0.5 seconds dark magic power + 10% MP consumption + 10% That will give you the damage boost that you would get from using a Dark Book 2s from only 2 al slots. Maybe with an Earthquake Bell 2s you could tip the balance towards the favour of an Earth Set. (Except if you add in a CGB s, then Dajarte becomes a whole different beast in a world of its own) |
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Post by Arata on Aug 12, 2017 20:41:33 GMT
Ok, now it's clear that only dim can have the same damage as dajarte.
And Gram surely do boost other dajarte's damage like what vigan did, but the question is how high can it boost?
Is "total damage" from using gram with dark magic set higher than dim with dark magic set?
And btw, from what I see, using consumable item is a common practice on JP Iruna so their damage may become a bit tricky and seems "impossible" to a reach if you don't know about this.
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Post by Makina Yuki on Aug 12, 2017 22:48:45 GMT
Ah yea, i forgot with catafnia & pauku al they give huge boost to dark set damage. Yea i agree that dim iv up stats is inferior compared to gram and its auto proc rate is really low.
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Post by Makina Yuki on Aug 14, 2017 1:01:44 GMT
I just test gram on iniliba, sometimes gram damage can be equal with dajarte damage and not spell brust. Usually gram damage is 67-72k while dajarte damage 98-112k. Sadly i cant put screenshoot due to "Error: This forum has exceeded its attachment space limit. Your file cannot be uploaded." x.x
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Post by 🔷Raichant🔷 on Aug 14, 2017 15:35:21 GMT
Use tapatalk to upload picture.
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Post by Makina Yuki on Aug 14, 2017 16:23:03 GMT
Ah thanks for your suggestion, now i can upload my pic  . Usually gram do around 67k damage, but sometimes gram damage become 100k or more and it make dajarte damage become higher too  |
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Post by Arata on Aug 14, 2017 18:31:22 GMT
Another visual comparison between those three weapons:
Here are the comparison using their highest damage when all 4 additional magic were proc at the same time:
Dim: 78k + 77k + 76k + 76 = 307k
Vigan: 39k + 76k + 88k + 86k = 289k
Gram: 40k + 87k + 89k + 89k = 305k
So for me, I'll still prefer using dim iv
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Post by Makina Yuki on Aug 20, 2017 14:15:51 GMT
So after I test Dim IV, vigan, & gram my here conclusion;
•Dim IV dealt highest magic autoskill damage but has less chance to Spellbrust and low proc rate.
•Vigan has better proc rate and good for magic pierce but lowest damage among that 3 weapon.
•Gram damage lower than dim but has superior stats and better proc rate than dim IV, AND sometimes dealt higher damage than it normal damage (no spell brust damage).
Ps. With gram, struggler, & faw pole you had chance to see all your auto is spell brusted in one attack 😀
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Post by Makina Yuki on Sept 25, 2017 15:17:16 GMT
Sorry for necro post, but I found an additional info for gram at irunainfo. For anyone who dont know why dajarte damage become higher than dim iv when you using vigan, the answer is vigan has hidden +10% dark magic and +6% matk if equiped on mage class.  |
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. Usually gram do around 67k damage, but sometimes gram damage become 100k or more and it make dajarte damage become higher too