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armor
Jun 9, 2016 3:07:02 GMT
Post by _ on Jun 9, 2016 3:07:02 GMT
was wondering which one might be better for general utility deceiver or schwermer anyones welcome to pitch in other armors
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bravebor
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Post by bravebor on Jun 9, 2016 9:01:05 GMT
What stats on deciever again? Ik it pretty well trumps litch, just missing the -sd is all. Vs schwarmer tho, imo that is something better for enches, I'd go deciever for tank set and for ko would go either ira or henriech with dorry or iniliba...or henriech/iniliba for casting ko amd switch to ira/dorry when before the skill is activated. Idk lol thats just me, I'll tag the usual suspects for their inout on this coz I've been a bit curious about schwermer also. lacs asteg mokie MiLiGRiTo YazmatEdit: that hidden stat of inilba along with mitigation when below qtr hp on henriech makes the 2 bae asf for ko if you like that extra security when farming and remaining at lowest hp for highest dmg on boss farms
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Yazmat
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Pally Lv351 | Alchy Lv318
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Post by Yazmat on Jun 9, 2016 11:21:28 GMT
First stats:
critical damage: useless for pally since it doesn't affect neither guardian nor K.O. (unless you have a weird build...) auto skills: can help you trigger parry/stun parry and the counter attack... but still it is just 4% more (but am no autoskill expert I never player an autoskill char...) Vit: nice + 7, deceiver only gives vit + 5 (still the +2 difference is not very big...) but deceiver up (in ep5) will give vit + 10 counterattack: very nice since it disable the damage but you need to have enough autoskills to have it trigger enough times to be worth it...
critical rate: don't care for pally just like critical damage... mp cost: nice... mdef: goood if you are INT build... otherwise it won't add much... rate cut: very awesome +15% !!! which will make HP percentage attacks deals a lot less... VIT: nice + 5... MaxHP: very nice + 16% especially for guardian
My choice deceiver...
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armor
Jun 9, 2016 12:33:39 GMT
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Post by lacs on Jun 9, 2016 12:33:39 GMT
Well, i use saltus re upgraded, has hp +12% and atk+4% if i remember correctly, for tanking i have a licht upgraded, has really good defense, those are my options, right now i don't care much about oath
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bravebor
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Post by bravebor on Jun 9, 2016 12:50:58 GMT
Well, i use saltus re upgraded, has hp +12% and atk+4% if i remember correctly, for tanking i have a licht upgraded, has really good defense, those are my options, right now i don't care much about oath Mdef&def up by lvl on litch and its -sd still kinda beat deciever for me & and does lose out a tad to saltus as it doesnt have that -item delay either q.q Otherwise tho it dose have some smexy stats that would give some decent guardian dmg and that -mpc & +rate cut would be pretty sweet to
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Yazmat
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Jun 9, 2016 13:00:08 GMT
Post by Yazmat on Jun 9, 2016 13:00:08 GMT
Well, i use saltus re upgraded, has hp +12% and atk+4% if i remember correctly, for tanking i have a licht upgraded, has really good defense, those are my options, right now i don't care much about oath Mdef&def up by lvl on litch and its -sd still kinda beat deciever for me & and does lose out a tad to saltus as it doesnt have that -item delay either q.q Otherwise tho it dose have some smexy stats that would give some decent guardian dmg and that -mpc & +rate cut would be pretty sweet to if you think def&mdef from lichter beats the rate cut from deceiver then you are wrong... rate cut is far more important than def&mdef... only the s.d. is worth it on lichter, and since a pally only needs .5sec sd to spam guardian, I prefer using a quick cool abi... so this is my opinion: Tank: Deceiver Item & Regen: Saltus S.D.: Lichter Survival with Oath: Heinrich Oath: Ira
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bravebor
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Post by bravebor on Jun 9, 2016 13:06:05 GMT
Mdef&def up by lvl on litch and its -sd still kinda beat deciever for me & and does lose out a tad to saltus as it doesnt have that -item delay either q.q Otherwise tho it dose have some smexy stats that would give some decent guardian dmg and that -mpc & +rate cut would be pretty sweet to if you think def&mdef from lichter beats the rate cut from deceiver then you are wrong... rate cut is far more important than def&mdef... only the s.d. is worth it on lichter, and since a pally only needs .5sec sd to spam guardian, I prefer using a quick cool abi... so this is my opinion: Tank: Deceiver Item & Regen: Saltus S.D.: Lichter Survival with Oath: Heinrich Oath: Ira But senpai what about the xtals for these 0.0 Kinda depends on the boss tho, like yea I totally agree that if the boss deals hp% hits, then deciever sht stomps. But if its just a hard hitter by magic or physical, than litch is still the go. Would've loved deciever on meelis...WHY could we have not had it then idk how many times I ran back from u.bqilune with that combo of hp% hit, stun, blind and a bunch of goodies that ik ninjas really love lol(hp% hit and stun tho...x.x )
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Yazmat
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Jun 9, 2016 13:17:40 GMT
Post by Yazmat on Jun 9, 2016 13:17:40 GMT
if you think def&mdef from lichter beats the rate cut from deceiver then you are wrong... rate cut is far more important than def&mdef... only the s.d. is worth it on lichter, and since a pally only needs .5sec sd to spam guardian, I prefer using a quick cool abi... so this is my opinion: Tank: Deceiver Item & Regen: Saltus S.D.: Lichter Survival with Oath: Heinrich Oath: Ira But senpai what about the xtals for these 0.0 Kinda depends on the boss tho, like yea I totally agree that if the boss deals hp% hits, then deciever sht stomps. But if its just a hard hitter by magic or physical, than litch is still the go. Would've loved deciever on meelis...WHY could we have not had it then idk how many times I ran back from u.bqilune with that combo of hp% hit, stun, blind and a bunch of goodies that ik ninjas really love lol(hp% hit and stun tho...x.x ) Licht Def bonus is not really useful since pallies already have tons of Def and pretty much all normal hits only deals 1~100 damage (with all the reduction skills like guard, Protection ... etc) Pallies suffer from 2 things: Magic & HP % Attacks For HP % attacks you need rate cut (with my rate cut set, all those HP percentage attacks deals less than 1k on me... like the one from Third Eye...) As for magic, yes you need Mdef, and licht gives mdef... sure thing... but in order for it to be useful you need to have lots of INT... since pretty much 99% pallies now are vit,dex str build... that 14% mdef won't even add 14 mdef... (yes maybe that 14 less magic damage might save you some day but it is just not worth it) Now I was an INT build once... I can't test now on current high magic bosses like Jusal, but maybe even if you are INT build, that mdef+% won't matter... maybe... not sure Again it is just my personal point of view... I might be wrong...
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bravebor
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Post by bravebor on Jun 9, 2016 13:22:47 GMT
But senpai what about the xtals for these 0.0 Kinda depends on the boss tho, like yea I totally agree that if the boss deals hp% hits, then deciever sht stomps. But if its just a hard hitter by magic or physical, than litch is still the go. Would've loved deciever on meelis...WHY could we have not had it then idk how many times I ran back from u.bqilune with that combo of hp% hit, stun, blind and a bunch of goodies that ik ninjas really love lol(hp% hit and stun tho...x.x ) Licht Def bonus is not really useful since pallies already have tons of Def and pretty much all normal hits only deals 1~100 damage (with all the reduction skills like guard, Protection ... etc) Pallies suffer from 2 things: Magic & HP % Attacks For HP % attacks you need rate cut (with my rate cut set, all those HP percentage attacks deals less than 1k on me... like the one from Third Eye...) As for magic, yes you need Mdef, and licht gives mdef... sure thing... but in order for it to be useful you need to have lots of INT... since pretty much 99% pallies now are vit,dex str build... that 14% mdef won't even add 14 mdef... (yes maybe that 14 less magic damage might save you some day but it is just not worth it) Now I was an INT build once... I can't test now on current high magic bosses like Jusal, but maybe even if you are INT build, that mdef+% won't matter... maybe... not sure Again it is just my personal point of view... I might be wrong... Litch still trumps over deciever for mdef as its up by lvl vs +14% which is a deal more effective imo, coupled with ama up for mdef up by 2 of lvl and carmo hood for up by vit, and you have a sweet magic tank set
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Yazmat
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Jun 9, 2016 13:32:30 GMT
Post by Yazmat on Jun 9, 2016 13:32:30 GMT
Licht Def bonus is not really useful since pallies already have tons of Def and pretty much all normal hits only deals 1~100 damage (with all the reduction skills like guard, Protection ... etc) Pallies suffer from 2 things: Magic & HP % Attacks For HP % attacks you need rate cut (with my rate cut set, all those HP percentage attacks deals less than 1k on me... like the one from Third Eye...) As for magic, yes you need Mdef, and licht gives mdef... sure thing... but in order for it to be useful you need to have lots of INT... since pretty much 99% pallies now are vit,dex str build... that 14% mdef won't even add 14 mdef... (yes maybe that 14 less magic damage might save you some day but it is just not worth it) Now I was an INT build once... I can't test now on current high magic bosses like Jusal, but maybe even if you are INT build, that mdef+% won't matter... maybe... not sure Again it is just my personal point of view... I might be wrong... Litch still trumps over deciever for mdef as its up by lvl vs +14% which is a deal more effective imo, coupled with ama up for mdef up by 2 of lvl and carmo hood for up by vit, and you have a sweet magic tank set With a magic tank set yes... you won't put deceiver in a magic tank set... that is obvious... just like you won't put licht on a rate cut set... But as a general utility (which the poster was asking about) Deceiver is better :3
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HaT®eD
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Post by HaT®eD on Jun 15, 2016 23:28:21 GMT
i usually juggle round litch, saltus, deciever depending on party members...
That "mana wave lvl999" from some magic bosses really hurts
So i still vote litch for all-rounder-armor.. It has high armor(25 at max??) That -.5sd(just the right amount) Mdef by lvl(gives highest mdef for str pallies) And its cheaper compared to other armor
downside.... No +hp,no +atk,no +rate cut, no -item dt
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Post by _ on Jun 15, 2016 23:48:48 GMT
i usually juggle round litch, saltus, deciever depending on party members... That "mana wave lvl999" from some magic bosses really hurts So i still vote litch for all-rounder-armor.. It has high armor(25 at max??) That -.5sd(just the right amount) Mdef by lvl(gives highest mdef for str pallies) And its cheaper compared to other armor downside.... No +hp,no +atk,no +rate cut, no -item dt thanks for your input, price isn't an issue for me tbh. i didn't like licht all to much since i party with a bishop about 99% of the time so the delay messes with quick from bishop. which ties in with model also i don't worry about it since with bishop i get it lowered with ageis and resist i ended up using deceiver once i managed to get some al. particularly meligia and mael to make up for the fact that i used schwamer (.4 sd) and gloom (1 id) i could change to deceiver b.epaulette (1 sd) so i have 1 sec id and .5 sd coupled with Aizu up that I'm getting shortly ill have 1 sec id and 1.5 sd
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Post by _ on Jun 23, 2016 22:33:54 GMT
lacs done here please close
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armor
Jun 23, 2016 22:58:54 GMT
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Post by lacs on Jun 23, 2016 22:58:54 GMT
Sure have a great day (^o^)/
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