bravebor
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Post by bravebor on May 12, 2016 10:47:31 GMT
Adamantite arrow is only really good if have str in build I believe. Imo would maybe better to go vit=dex int crt or vit int=dex and use thimble. Idk what spec for crt. I'm kinda more stock standard pally so just gunna tag those with the exp of playing with the class. MiLiGRiTo mokie asteg lacs Yazmat (who am I forgetting 0.0) I'll tag just coz ik they habe played with pal since ko came out @yuhee Crysta| & snakeInterested to hear ppls thoughts on this, ik I kinda dismissed bow pally before ko, but after thinking on bk, kinda developed an interest in unconventional builds... |
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Yazmat
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Pally Lv351 | Alchy Lv318
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Post by Yazmat on May 12, 2016 10:52:52 GMT
I just want to know somethings...
Why in the *q#d@m!s:* (< just for drama) do you want to add CRT? pally never don't need CRT & magic bows don't give you ATK from CRT... magic bows give +2 ATK from each INT and +1.5 ATK from each DEX...
Radiance Bow is a normal bow... not a magic bow...
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Yazmat
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Post by Yazmat on May 12, 2016 11:03:45 GMT
on the other hand... in the matter of which build gives more ATK:
spec swords first with accumulated 4.5 (2 from VIT, 1.5 from DEX and 1 from STR)
normal bows with accumulated 4 (2 from STR and 2 from DEX)
magic bows with accumulated 3.5 (2 from INT and 1.5 from DEX)
what makes normal bows better than spec swords is that bows have a huge +ATK% (Illusion Bow II gives +15% ATK while Izu UP gives +10% ATK) and the elemental abuse
Magic bows gives no additional ATK (I just checked them all... They mostly give +MATK%) and not many have elements ... which makes them **** for Knight's Oath... which means Magic Bows Build is a very bad build for Knight's Oath
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bravebor
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Post by bravebor on May 12, 2016 11:04:22 GMT
I just want to know somethings... Why in the *q#d@m!s:* (< just for drama) do you want to add CRT? pally never don't need CRT & magic bows don't give you ATK from CRT... magic bows give +2 ATK from each INT and +1.5 ATK from each DEX... Radiance Bow is a normal bow... not a magic bow...0.0 jahleel07 has it as magic in irunaonline.boards.net/thread/17184/list-bows... |
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Yazmat
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Post by Yazmat on May 12, 2016 11:21:11 GMT
I just want to know somethings... Why in the *q#d@m!s:* (< just for drama) do you want to add CRT? pally never don't need CRT & magic bows don't give you ATK from CRT... magic bows give +2 ATK from each INT and +1.5 ATK from each DEX... Radiance Bow is a normal bow... not a magic bow...0.0 jahleel07 has it as magic in irunaonline.boards.net/thread/17184/list-bows... thank you for the list I forgot about it... I only see few bows which can be used: - selee ++ (base ATK of 73-88 and half your level as additional ATK) with a level 320 you would get a total of 233~248 ATK (there are many bows with better ATK than this and additional +%ATK) - Adistactos (base ATK of 150 and CRT/6 as additional ATK ) with 400 CRT you will get a total of 216 ATK (again... there is much better bows...) - Radiance Bow (base ATK of 181-189 and +10% melee to Dark) you can get much better results than this with a normal light bow...) |
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Yazmat
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Post by Yazmat on May 12, 2016 14:15:43 GMT
Well I can definitely see issue with the build but I could see someone try and may doing some with it and doing it well(I am not say I am continuing do it)..yes I know very well that crt is not use.....I have heard that normal bows are lot better then spec sword(which by way I hate....it sucks...i mean wound t suck.... Izu... I heard is very good but it expensive....amd some player are not able to buy that weapon but I think I'll go with normal reststatus and see how it goes....but I really want some that dose 1vs1 with boss if you think wound trancer sucks with KO build (and yes it does it is for Guardian Build not KO Build...) just know that magic bow build will suck even more because you will have even less ATK than with Wound Trance... (and if you know that CRT is no use.. why put it ?! this so much absurd...) Just to sum things up... KO build is an EXPENSIVE build... spec swords build or bow build you will have to invest a LOT of spina in it... if you don't have the spina... just stay guardian build... |
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Yazmat
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Post by Yazmat on May 12, 2016 14:17:30 GMT
Well I can definitely see issue with the build but I could see someone try and may doing some with it and doing it well(I am not say I am continuing do it)..yes I know very well that crt is not use.....I have heard that normal bows are lot better then spec sword(which by way I hate....it sucks...i mean wound t suck.... Izu... I heard is very good but it expensive....amd some player are not able to buy that weapon but I think I'll go with normal reststatus and see how it goes....but I really want some that dose 1vs1 with boss But if I do the normal build which but, Dex,str....iy not so great withmagic mobs so I would put into so I would 4 status OH please don't put 4 stats... no one does 4 stats... they will suck even more... pallies do great with magic mobs even with 1 INT... they have FORTIS... |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2016 16:23:29 GMT
For me, making unique builds show style and originality but most of these builds turns out to be mediocre and not ideal for starters as well.
Lets not forget that it is better to collaborate with what is your job mastery (I am not referring to weapon mastery) but on what does the class really excels.
A paladin asset is always for survival and damage blocker and hate consumer the bow builds which is most suited for KO is always optional.
Same goes to other classes though you make some improvisions or modifications towards the class it is better that a big portion of your experiment sticks with what your class really does.
If you want to one on one with a boss Go Vit/Int/Agi instead and spam guardian. Not to mention these bosses of EP4 aren't kidding anymore and theres always one class will never left out which is an undestructible bullet which is Paladin.
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Post by lacs on May 12, 2016 20:34:47 GMT
For what i know, in the damage formulas for guardian and oath, the str is giving a bonus on atk, so any build that includes this stat is far superior to any without str
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Yazmat
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Post by Yazmat on May 13, 2016 4:00:19 GMT
A pally that dies a lot... you have some serious issues xD and INT will not save you... neither will CRT... you are not even sure of what you wanna do... just don't make a "guide" that gives wrong information to people... you want to make a guide about magic bow build for oath... and you are still lvl 236... lmao... no more comments from me...
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Post by Shori>.< on May 13, 2016 14:27:40 GMT
A pally tihat dies a lot... you have some serious issues xD and INT will not save you... neither will CRT... you are not even sure of what you wanna do... just don't make a "guide" that gives wrong information to people... you want to make a guide about magic bow build for oath... and you are still lvl 236... lmao... no more comments from me... First all I have work my butt off to my pally that lvl and I seriously don't need some to judge for it...I am guess you use ticket...soorry but I don't have money do that in first place.....so it harder to lvl her up with out tickets and it very much take time ....second my guide are perfect fine they all correct if don't believe me look at my guide....If read my comment I was say I had realize how that build would useless to pally so I said that I would go do normal bow.....and YES my pally dies lot so what it mean I need work on her more.... Well, Yazmat was a bit mean there but please do not assume that every high level uses ticket. Seriously, there are peoples who actually grind their asses off. I also understand the reason for Yazmat's comment. You simply do not post a build until you prove that it is effective, and the current you had no way to prove it (since no KO). As for your build, I also do not get it. Since knight oath is based on atk, I think the magic bow build is more suited for those Vit Int Dex tank build, using magic bow + Thimble to raise atk ( then again, magic sword works just as fine). |
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Post by AnTz on May 13, 2016 17:08:43 GMT
First, I agree with @yuhee that mostly unique builds is only to show its different gameplay, but then lost its way because sooner or later it cant utilize the class's skills, while the common/standard builds can perfectly adapt with all that class's skills.
Second, I've seen some other paladin unique build, but those have clear purpose like easier for leveling etc. I cant see what the purpose of this build other than for try be different. To solo boss, a VIT-DEX-STR pally definitely can solo better than this build.
Third, in my personal opinion, paladin dont need INT anymore as magic def. With very high hp and fortis lv2, basically paladin is strong enough against any magic, even with only 1 INT. I'm VIT-DEX-STR and all this time I can tank against magic bosses as well as what pally VIT-INT-DEX can do
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 18:20:26 GMT
Another thing is Yazmat wasn't mean to you at all, what he is pointing out is you are making some conclusions or experiments via theories only not within an actual experiment. Not to mention, you are stating it as a guide. I don't know how but how will you guide someone about these skills or build when you didn't showed yet how it could be utilize in the first place. Simply put as "Teach them how to fish" but how can you teach without neither a fishing rod nor Spear? Theories helps us to discover things via brainstorming however, most theories stays as theories only. Two types Applied and non applied theory. |
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2016 0:32:52 GMT
Delete post by the way if guys are happy with it because I don't know what I am doing g or whatever  ? |
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Post by lacs on May 14, 2016 1:33:51 GMT
Lets lock it then  for inconcluded and unpractical, have a nice day |
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for inconcluded and unpractical, have a nice day