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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Feb 11, 2016 23:36:31 GMT
do you have data to show this? I did try to get max ASPD with my pally with 100RD and I only get around +45% if i remember correctly and it matches my calcs. however, i have not tried rd+bl, which leads me to suspect that there might be an extra bonus if the 2 colors is +100. I don't have a data to show this right now. It was just a test when I has the second page of AI xtal socket page. When I changed page to the one without AI, my aspd is reduced by half. For the calc, I can calculate exactly 100%. I think you might have something wrong in your calc. Right now I have 222agi on my pally with guild level 40+, so I have 222+4+2=228agi. Each agi adds 1.8333aspd, or 3agi=5.5aspd to be exact, 228 equals to 418+79=497aspd. And, my aspd in status page shows me 994. It is exactly 100% for me. Right now, I cannot show aspd without purple lines anymore because I put some AI on the second page already, which I have 3 purple line. So, Ican calculate it with 3 purple lines instead. The status page shows me 844aspd this time. 844/497 is 1.698189. Or, it is around 69.82% added up. Which it is pretty close to AI information on jp wiki, 3 line supposes to be 70%. So, I can calculate by 497*(170%)=844.9. It is 0.9 point error this time. The only thing I think I have to be more careful with is rounding because 1agi adds ?aspd is quite complicated. I am also uncertain about first 1agi base, and +1aspd when we use minimize aspd gear(for sword it is 80 instead of 79). Edited; You said you test with only 100RD, so I do not really sure about that. >.< Can you test using a scarlet ribbon? It will show your real base aspd. Just take your aspd before and after wearing it and make sure the ribbon has no abilities on it. Thanks. either scarlet or any other +%ASPD, should be easy to do the math from there. also, can you confirm you do not have any +%aspd in your gear, al, xtals. |
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Post by mokie on Feb 12, 2016 2:58:32 GMT
I don't have a data to show this right now. It was just a test when I has the second page of AI xtal socket page. When I changed page to the one without AI, my aspd is reduced by half. For the calc, I can calculate exactly 100%. I think you might have something wrong in your calc. Right now I have 222agi on my pally with guild level 40+, so I have 222+4+2=228agi. Each agi adds 1.8333aspd, or 3agi=5.5aspd to be exact, 228 equals to 418+79=497aspd. And, my aspd in status page shows me 994. It is exactly 100% for me. Right now, I cannot show aspd without purple lines anymore because I put some AI on the second page already, which I have 3 purple line. So, Ican calculate it with 3 purple lines instead. The status page shows me 844aspd this time. 844/497 is 1.698189. Or, it is around 69.82% added up. Which it is pretty close to AI information on jp wiki, 3 line supposes to be 70%. So, I can calculate by 497*(170%)=844.9. It is 0.9 point error this time. The only thing I think I have to be more careful with is rounding because 1agi adds ?aspd is quite complicated. I am also uncertain about first 1agi base, and +1aspd when we use minimize aspd gear(for sword it is 80 instead of 79). Edited; You said you test with only 100RD, so I do not really sure about that. >.< Can you test using a scarlet ribbon? It will show your real base aspd. Just take your aspd before and after wearing it and make sure the ribbon has no abilities on it. Thanks. either scarlet or any other +%ASPD, should be easy to do the math from there. also, can you confirm you do not have any +%aspd in your gear, al, xtals. I do not have any other +%aspd gear, but I have -10%aspd from miwi hat. After I wore it, my aspd was 944. |
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Post by mokie on Feb 12, 2016 3:01:16 GMT
And, 944/1.9=496.84...
It was closed, just 0.16 error.
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Feb 12, 2016 6:19:50 GMT
And, 944/1.9=496.84... It was closed, just 0.16 error. Looks just about right. I'm still a bit confused on how the purple line bonus goes from +30% aspd (no rl/bl) to 100%aspd with full rl/bl. It looks like RL and BL gives +35% aspd each but i never got this much bonus on my 100RL. I did try to get max ASPD with 1 AGI but never got to 343ASPD despite having these: Yang garb/AGI Lv.5 Scarlet ribbon/Wild dance Wild dance on accessory 100Red Line stat 6 purple lines I made it past 300 (320+ i think) but failed to make 343. I decided to settle since my attacks look fast enough anyway. unfortunately, i couldn't test again as I have already removed my RL stat and purple apostolia. Dang, I knew I should have taken some screenies. |
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Post by mokie on Feb 12, 2016 17:39:00 GMT
And, 944/1.9=496.84... It was closed, just 0.16 error. Looks just about right. I'm still a bit confused on how the purple line bonus goes from +30% aspd (no rl/bl) to 100%aspd with full rl/bl. It looks like RL and BL gives +35% aspd each but i never got this much bonus on my 100RL. I did try to get max ASPD with 1 AGI but never got to 343ASPD despite having these: Yang garb/AGI Lv.5 Scarlet ribbon/Wild dance Wild dance on accessory 100Red Line stat 6 purple lines I made it past 300 (320+ i think) but failed to make 343. I decided to settle since my attacks look fast enough anyway. unfortunately, i couldn't test again as I have already removed my RL stat and purple apostolia. Dang, I knew I should have taken some screenies. If you had +%aspd gear or AI xtal in your character, you would rather forget 343aspd rule and check the table I provide in this thread instead. Like I said, 343aspd for maxing aspd is not 100% correct. |
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Feb 13, 2016 6:48:16 GMT
Looks just about right. I'm still a bit confused on how the purple line bonus goes from +30% aspd (no rl/bl) to 100%aspd with full rl/bl. It looks like RL and BL gives +35% aspd each but i never got this much bonus on my 100RL. I did try to get max ASPD with 1 AGI but never got to 343ASPD despite having these: Yang garb/AGI Lv.5 Scarlet ribbon/Wild dance Wild dance on accessory 100Red Line stat 6 purple lines I made it past 300 (320+ i think) but failed to make 343. I decided to settle since my attacks look fast enough anyway. unfortunately, i couldn't test again as I have already removed my RL stat and purple apostolia. Dang, I knew I should have taken some screenies. If you had +%aspd gear or AI xtal in your character, you would rather forget 343aspd rule and check the table I provide in this thread instead. Like I said, 343aspd for maxing aspd is not 100% correct. I didn't quite understand it honestly. Or are you suggesting that if I have +130%aspd (scarlet and purple line), I would have max aspd despite having only 200-ish aspd? |
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Post by mokie on Feb 13, 2016 6:52:42 GMT
If you had +%aspd gear or AI xtal in your character, you would rather forget 343aspd rule and check the table I provide in this thread instead. Like I said, 343aspd for maxing aspd is not 100% correct. I didn't quite understand it honestly. Or are you suggesting that if I have +130%aspd (scarlet and purple line), I would have max aspd despite having only 200-ish aspd? Yes, you would. |
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Feb 13, 2016 7:26:44 GMT
I didn't quite understand it honestly. Or are you suggesting that if I have +130%aspd (scarlet and purple line), I would have max aspd despite having only 200-ish aspd? Yes, you would. Oh cool. How did you test? I plan to check by number of attacks over time unless you have a better method. |
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Post by mokie on Feb 13, 2016 7:40:29 GMT
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Post by mokie on Feb 13, 2016 7:47:01 GMT
At that moment, I have seen another website that has more detail than this one. BUt, It's so confusing to me when I used translate. It has very crazy calculation, graph, explanation about levels of motion, even the test details.
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Post by rizal1992 on Apr 8, 2016 8:45:09 GMT
Sorry if im necro'ing this post
This guide is very good, but im get confused how to implement this calculation if i am using -aspd gear like muramasa since it has -200% aspd, is it mean i have -20 aspd level and i have to replace it with 32 level = 344 agi to get max aspd?
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Post by mokie on Apr 27, 2016 6:24:44 GMT
Sorry if im necro'ing this post This guide is very good, but im get confused how to implement this calculation if i am using -aspd gear like muramasa since it has -200% aspd, is it mean i have -20 aspd level and i have to replace it with 32 level = 344 agi to get max aspd? Sorry for late reply. You will need 240extra agi to replace -200%aspd. And yes, it will be around 384. Adding; It is from (12*([+%aspd from gear]*10) part of calculation formula. 12*2*10=240 |
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Post by Enriz on Jun 25, 2016 4:23:58 GMT
Since I'm also studying the max attack speed with Red line and Blue line, there is something that I wish to share
After resetting my stat,
I put 100 to Red and 100 to Blue line
and I change my set up to
Dia espada *clean *provoke abi
DPR *praldy *HP abi
Magia hood *Pole *Auto abi
Accesory * *auto abi
Mermaid Ring * 20%hp* no abi
I need to add another 40 Agi to reach 344 aspd (max for sword)
I'm using the calculator and I should add 26 agi for max sword aspd. 100% Red,Blue line with purple apos.
In my opinion, both fact is not entirely correct or I made a calculation mistake.
Please enlighten me?
*I cannot upload any pic..
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Post by mokie on Jun 29, 2016 4:01:01 GMT
Since I'm also studying the max attack speed with Red line and Blue line, there is something that I wish to share After resetting my stat, I put 100 to Red and 100 to Blue line and I change my set up to Dia espada *clean *provoke abi DPR *praldy *HP abi Magia hood *Pole *Auto abi
Accesory * *auto abi
Mermaid Ring * 20%hp* no abi
I need to add another 40 Agi to reach 344 aspd (max for sword)
I'm using the calculator and I should add 26 agi for max sword aspd. 100% Red,Blue line with purple apos.
In my opinion, both fact is not entirely correct or I made a calculation mistake.
Please enlighten me?
*I cannot upload any pic..The fact is 344 aspd is not really correct. You can use 343 value with only the condition that you do not have any +aspd gear. In the other word, if you have 26 agi from the formula you can max aspd without having 343aspd. You will have the same motion speed whether you have 40 agi or 26 agi because it has already max the motion speed. |
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Post by mokie on Jun 29, 2016 4:14:27 GMT
Since I'm also studying the max attack speed with Red line and Blue line, there is something that I wish to share After resetting my stat, I put 100 to Red and 100 to Blue line and I change my set up to Dia espada *clean *provoke abi DPR *praldy *HP abi Magia hood *Pole *Auto abi
Accesory * *auto abi
Mermaid Ring * 20%hp* no abi
I need to add another 40 Agi to reach 344 aspd (max for sword)
I'm using the calculator and I should add 26 agi for max sword aspd. 100% Red,Blue line with purple apos.
In my opinion, both fact is not entirely correct or I made a calculation mistake.
Please enlighten me?
*I cannot upload any pic..BTW, I just read your post again. I guess you have a little mistake on your calculation. With sword and +100% aspd, you should get the agi value lower than 24. |
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