Dark§tØrm
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Post by Dark§tØrm on Aug 6, 2015 17:11:21 GMT
Or when someone below lvl50 is at ziddu and they ask me to help them farm. Actually, a low level player may not help you on killing but increase you chance to get rares. ....
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Post by snake on Aug 6, 2015 17:25:33 GMT
Or when someone below lvl50 is at ziddu and they ask me to help them farm. Actually, a low level player may not help you on killing but increase you chance to get rares. .... Only if this said low level is your own alt on second device. Otherwise it's not true.
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Post by Jeancarlo on Aug 6, 2015 17:32:11 GMT
Or when someone below lvl50 is at ziddu and they ask me to help them farm. Actually, a low level player may not help you on killing but increase you chance to get rares. .... Actually, a low level player may not help you on killing but increase you chance to get rares. .... Only if this said low level is your own alt on second device. Otherwise it's not true. Not to get too off topic (things that annoy us) but yea, would like clarification/confirmation on this. From someone who's gone as far as equipping 4 currones + 1 jog on a mule so they don't level too quickly - so that the high level benefits from their noobness longer, this is the first time I have heard of low level boosting your rare chances (in fact, personal experience had that mule getting as many rares as the non-currone, non-jog chars farming neknotts and high ents)...
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Dark§tØrm
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↑ Pink Star....-.-, really?
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Post by Dark§tØrm on Aug 6, 2015 18:05:58 GMT
Actually, a low level player may not help you on killing but increase you chance to get rares. .... Only if this said low level is your own alt on second device. Otherwise it's not true. Not to get too off topic (things that annoy us) but yea, would like clarification/confirmation on this. From someone who's gone as far as equipping 4 currones + 1 jog on a mule so they don't level too quickly - so that the high level benefits from their noobness longer, this is the first time I have heard of low level boosting your rare chances (in fact, personal experience had that mule getting as many rares as the non-currone, non-jog chars farming neknotts and high ents)... Where we can follow this discussion?. I disagree with snake, first because is well know that PT increase you drop %, but second, and this is only my appreciation through the years, my luck drastically improves when I'm pt-ing a low level. (Please Jeancarlo move this whereaver you think is better)
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Post by Jeancarlo on Aug 6, 2015 18:18:55 GMT
snake, Dark§tØrm moved posts from "Annoying things" Not to get too off topic (things that annoy us) but yea, would like clarification/confirmation on this. From someone who's gone as far as equipping 4 currones + 1 jog on a mule so they don't level too quickly - so that the high level benefits from their noobness longer, this is the first time I have heard of low level boosting your rare chances (in fact, personal experience had that mule getting as many rares as the non-currone, non-jog chars farming neknotts and high ents)... Where we can follow this discussion?. I disagree with snake, first because is well know that PT increase you drop %, but second, and this is only my appreciation through the years, my luck drastically improves when I'm pt-ing a low level. (Please Jeancarlo move this whereaver you think is better) I have heard about PT increasing your drop, but isn't this more a matter of a PT killing things faster than solo? E.g. 10% (random number) chance drop killing a boss in 2 minutes vs the same 10% chance killing the same boss in 15 seconds. You still have the Same 10% chance per kill, it's just that your kill per X amount of time is increased dramaticallyAgain, this is a first in hearing of a low level increasing drop chance. Though not as long a player as you, I've been playing with multiple devices for more than a year now (2 - 3, sometimes 4) and I have not noticed a difference. What is the cut off? is low level 100 levels below you? 200? Just two weekends ago, I started Another alt, and got him to L75 on Megas. L270+ Bish + L1 - L75 Adventurer (using 5 sauros) and he actually got more med ring NS than Bish. Similar results on Oris from High Ents, including using a mule with 4 currones and a jog (mostly to decrease the XP he gets, taking him Longer to level). With bishop farming h ents, 2 chars >L100 w 5 sauros, and the L1 mule, they all received similar number of oris. (segue: which killed my opinion on currone and jog, LOL)
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Post by ReaDaeyn on Aug 6, 2015 18:21:29 GMT
Unfounded. It's all luck.
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Dark§tØrm
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Post by Dark§tØrm on Aug 6, 2015 18:38:02 GMT
snake, Dark§tØrm moved posts from "Annoying things" Where we can follow this discussion?. I disagree with snake, first because is well know that PT increase you drop %, but second, and this is only my appreciation through the years, my luck drastically improves when I'm pt-ing a low level. (Please Jeancarlo move this whereaver you think is better) I have heard about PT increasing your drop, but isn't this more a matter of a PT killing things faster than solo? E.g. 10% (random number) chance drop killing a boss in 2 minutes vs the same 10% chance killing the same boss in 15 seconds. You still have the Same 10% chance per kill, it's just that your kill per X amount of time is increased dramaticallyAgain, this is a first in hearing of a low level increasing drop chance. Though not as long a player as you, I've been playing with multiple devices for more than a year now (2 - 3, sometimes 4) and I have not noticed a difference. What is the cut off? is low level 100 levels below you? 200? Just two weekends ago, I started Another alt, and got him to L75 on Megas. L270+ Bish + L1 - L75 Adventurer (using 5 sauros) and he actually got more med ring NS than Bish. Similar results on Oris from High Ents, including using a mule with 4 currones and a jog (mostly to decrease the XP he gets, taking him Longer to level). With bishop farming h ents, 2 chars >L100 w 5 sauros, and the L1 mule, they all received similar number of oris. (segue: which killed my opinion on currone and jog, LOL) I remember a discussion in the old forum about this. Again this is my appreciation based only on experience. I play 90% of the time solo, so I do note issues when I’m in PT. For example, some ask you to get Tunic (X Trade), I got like 5 or 6 before the low level get it, and this happen all the time. I always though drop luck it was something like the experience distribution, as far as the level as unequal is the distribution. I may be wrong though. Another issue is the fact that Asobimo like the players to socialize, i.e. PT and it has incentives to do so, finally this is an MMORPG and you suppose share with others. I though drop rate was one of this "incentives". Anyway, I think it worth the trial, so I propose an "Adopt a Noob" program to gather info.
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Post by Jeancarlo on Aug 6, 2015 18:48:01 GMT
Well not to discount your experience, but I think I will chuck this to the same boat as Fortune, Luck store items, Currone, and JOG: "luck is as good, or bad, as you believe it to be" In a span of 1 week (different fortunes), trying on currones on and of (could not find my jog and wasn't too concerned not having it tbh) playing my usual 1-2 hours a day, I killed Mezza ~530-550 x. On 3 devices (L270+ Bish using currone on and off), L240+ PLD and HW), collected a total of: ~1700 Silver Armor bits ~120 Zirconiums 7 2 Mezza xtals Mind you, I don't know how that compares to others but that's equivalent to a solo player killing her 850x per xtal...
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Dark§tØrm
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Post by Dark§tØrm on Aug 6, 2015 19:01:24 GMT
Don't worry, the idea is precisely discuss, or even try if you didn't yet. I’m just sharing what happen to me. I know that the mathematical chance to obtain a rare is probably always below 1%, therefore you can multiply it as much as you can and will still remind under 1%, but, quoting the awesome wisdom share by ReaDaeyn, this is matter of luck. In RL you can do anything to change luck, but in a game, is just another algorithm that depends of a number of factor as (mob drop rate, date, etc..), and maybe, just maybe you can increase a little you luck by doing things. Some players switch servers, other use amulets. Here is another example, how many times you got rare while doing mq? Probably no more than one, how many times you got rare while helping someone? ...(my case two or three). ( ReaDaeyn no intention to offend, just is difficult to me to keep it serious)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 20:05:51 GMT
Dark§tØrm JeancarloJust wanted to share mine, I've gathered few rares from the three different perspectives. 1)Mathematical/Algorithm 2)Theory and beliefs 3)Own beliefs and logics As a player I have too many beliefs regarding in rare drop rates. From (1) my belief is the faster I can kill or the quickest I finish a single run the better chances of getting a rare which is true (In my experiences only) [Set Values] From (2) Yes there are times I help someone on mq (mostly rushers) and I get rare from theyre mq bosses, and mostly ori, and HP20 when boosting at ents. Or fire beads and Asura from nommars. [Own Speculations and observation] From (3) This is really working for me (Again in my experiences and my own beliefs only) and I have too many of these and I'll mention some few 1)Changing server after getting a rare 2)Farming the boss that represents your lucky color 3)Not disposing/selling the drops from the boss you farm unless you are finished already 4)Not likely to farm during 1☆ and ☆5 Important Note: Those I've mentioned worked many times. Luck? Concidence? Might be yes, besides they are only theory and and no solid proof to do them in a daily basis. But the sure thing is, whatever beliefs we had theres no wrong with trying. Beliefs/Logics/Algorithms are all major part of the word luck when it comes to games (IMO)
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Post by Jeancarlo on Aug 6, 2015 20:36:47 GMT
Dark§tØrm JeancarloBut the sure thing is, whatever beliefs we had theres no wrong with trying. Beliefs/Logics/Algorithms are all major part of the word luck when it comes to games (IMO) Indeed! Like I said, I go with the "Your luck is as good or as bad as you believe it is " Unfortunately, I personally believe my luck just plain sucks, lol Interesting about that luck color though; that's the 2nd time I've seen. Someone posted a question about which boss represents which elems (i.e. the boss' elem) and upon further prodding, found out that that's how they farm. Never did hear back if they were successful enough to post data.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 21:12:12 GMT
Dark§tØrm JeancarloBut the sure thing is, whatever beliefs we had theres no wrong with trying. Beliefs/Logics/Algorithms are all major part of the word luck when it comes to games (IMO) Indeed! Like I said, I go with the "Your luck is as good or as bad as you believe it is " Unfortunately, I personally believe my luck just plain sucks, lol Interesting about that luck color though; that's the 2nd time I've seen. Someone posted a question about which boss represents which elems (i.e. the boss' elem) and upon further prodding, found out that that's how they farm. Never did hear back if they were successful enough to post data. Oh, I see so they farm it via what does this particular boss element represents with in relation with the color? XD I look it though in a very different way unfortunately. Example: Lucky color is purple. I will chase all the purple related boss and mobs. Eg. Ushilth (colored purple), Cerberus (who do purple attacks) logic that are something like that, haha. Sometimes I get lucky sometimes not still I stick with those beliefs, just like I said with what have you been quoted.
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Post by Jeancarlo on Aug 6, 2015 21:14:29 GMT
Oh LOL ok yea that's different haha but hey what ever works The other guy was basically like gonna farm Ganei on Fire days, etc. Heh, I guess you could try farming Ganei on Earth days too (what they're weak to)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2015 21:28:13 GMT
Oh LOL ok yea that's different haha but hey what ever works The other guy was basically like gonna farm Ganei on Fire days, etc. Heh, I guess you could try farming Ganei on Earth days too (what they're weak to) Never think of it before but yes worth trying. Also I mostly get rare when the farm isn't planned. TBH, I always have schedule in Iruna like example tap on this hour, grind on this time etc, etc. Suddenly there is an urge that I want to farm this one (while in the middle of doing something like grinding) then thats the time I will get 2-5xtals 4-10 gears (varies on bosses, cause I only farm weak bosses to make 500-1K runs) In the end I end up saying "Just one word, 'Lucky'"
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Post by Umaru-chan on Aug 7, 2015 1:58:50 GMT
Reading the comments makes me wonder why i consider my farming "hard work" its seems like my 1stack(common boss drop) was far from the hard work you guys put in to q.q
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