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Post by pettanko on May 19, 2015 3:04:41 GMT
anyone know what intense knife do? its the skill that requires hidden arm Lv.5 the skill name and description is still in japanese >.<
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Post by Lucifere on May 19, 2015 20:24:20 GMT
anyone know what intense knife do? its the skill that requires hidden arm Lv.5 the skill name and description is still in japanese >.< It was on japanese on too when alpha but i imagine it would be related with any increase of hidden arm damage
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Post by vipr on May 24, 2015 13:14:08 GMT
anyone know what intense knife do? its the skill that requires hidden arm Lv.5 the skill name and description is still in japanese >.< It increase the success rate of hidden arm much like knuckles passive skill
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Post by phamous on May 27, 2015 0:56:44 GMT
I'm pretty disappointed in the throwing knife skill tree tbo. It kinda sucks that there is no real throwing wep in toram like there is in iruna. It requires magic points to throw the dagger which is stupid and the damage is increased by str instead of dex which is even more stupid. Not sure what asobimo was thinking when it comes to daggers. If all they are good for is a sub weapon then why even have them in the game at all?
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Post by screamingfox on May 28, 2015 2:18:05 GMT
I'm pretty disappointed in the throwing knife skill tree tbo. It kinda sucks that there is no real throwing wep in toram like there is in iruna. It requires magic points to throw the dagger which is stupid and the damage is increased by str instead of dex which is even more stupid. Not sure what asobimo was thinking when it comes to daggers. If all they are good for is a sub weapon then why even have them in the game at all? Rant Incoming. So you just want another weapon that does the exact same thing as a bow or bowgun? The way they did daggers without dex is somewhat strange traditionally sure, but it does mix up build variety and is in no way stupid to me. Strength builds that had no access to status effects or range, now have those at a cost managable for the build if they like. Asobimo looks like they thought about that when reinventing a weapon that did nearly the same thing as another weapon before. I mean, you're literally asking for a bow in dagger form, that would do the same thing as bows. Single target dagger skill from range!? Oh bow got that to. AoE dagger skill? Oh look we got Arrow Rain. Unless they make a AoE around you like...earth shaker from knuckles... Poison and Slow? Bows. The only different thing that would be different would be access to close range skills. That swords do better unless they get backstab in the tree. In which case you'd still be close up. Considering build versatility though, it makes sense to make it an interesting sub weapon that covers weaknesses. Also...all of the sub weapon skills are all very useful for what they're made to do. Which is to mostly build upon weaknesses of other builds that can use them. Shield for defense, daggers to broaden your attack options, magic tools for the option of magic casting, and knuckles for the option to break pieces. All valuable depending on what your objective is What I think is dumb though is that we don't have an option to see the dagger in our offhand. That'd make me much happier with an option to show my dagger on or off.
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Post by phamous on May 28, 2015 3:07:43 GMT
Throwing weps in iruna dont do the exact same thing as bows so no I don't expect daggers to do the same thing as bows in toram. There are attack skills in the dagger skill tree that you can only use it you don't have a main wep equipped. I don't think asobimo would have done this if they didnt intend for daggers to be used as a main wep rather than just a wep to make up for weaknesses in other wep types. I am actually working on testing out a char that is only using dagger to see what kind of play style it might open up. I just think daggers should be able to be equipped to the main wep slot and the damage needs to be increased. I guess we will just have to wait and see what asobimo has planned for this skill tree in future updates.
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Post by ifurious on May 28, 2015 9:32:59 GMT
can brawler use double dagger or maybe sword use 1h sword and 1 dagger sory im newb
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Post by phamous on Jun 3, 2015 21:13:53 GMT
Correction, dagger attack skills can be used with knuckles equipped
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Post by vipr on Jun 4, 2015 0:22:21 GMT
though daggers CAN be used with knuckles they increase on str so truly I'd say the best and only weapon to use it withis 1h sword with knuckles you'd either hav no knuckle DMG, no dagger dmg, or mediocre DMG in both categories
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Post by phamous on Jun 4, 2015 1:22:07 GMT
though daggers CAN be used with knuckles they increase on str so truly I'd say the best and only weapon to use it withis 1h sword with knuckles you'd either hav no knuckle DMG, no dagger dmg, or mediocre DMG in both categories 1. Dagger attack skills can't be used with any other weapon except knuckles 2.Agi does in fact increase the damage of dagger skills,i know I have tested it. As far as I can tell the damage of dagger skills is based completely off of the weapon equipped and whatever stat increases it's damage. So agi increases the damage of knuckles which in turn increases the damage of dagger attack skills
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Post by vipr on Jun 4, 2015 15:45:20 GMT
though daggers CAN be used with knuckles they increase on str so truly I'd say the best and only weapon to use it withis 1h sword with knuckles you'd either hav no knuckle DMG, no dagger dmg, or mediocre DMG in both categories 1. Dagger attack skills can't be used with any other weapon except knuckles 2.Agi does in fact increase the damage of dagger skills,i know I have tested it. As far as I can tell the damage of dagger skills is based completely off of the weapon equipped and whatever stat increases it's damage. So agi increases the damage of knuckles which in turn increases the damage of dagger attack skills okay I thought tht dagger skill only only increase on str alone but knuckles are not the only weapon dagger atk skills can be used with I hav a swordie tht has dagger atk skills and can use them fine.
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Post by phamous on Jun 4, 2015 16:34:46 GMT
1. Dagger attack skills can't be used with any other weapon except knuckles 2.Agi does in fact increase the damage of dagger skills,i know I have tested it. As far as I can tell the damage of dagger skills is based completely off of the weapon equipped and whatever stat increases it's damage. So agi increases the damage of knuckles which in turn increases the damage of dagger attack skills okay I thought tht dagger skill only only increase on str alone but knuckles are not the only weapon dagger atk skills can be used with I hav a swordie tht has dagger atk skills and can use them fine. I will have to test that out then
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Post by phamous on Jun 4, 2015 16:42:48 GMT
It seems I stand corrected! Dagger attack skills work with 1 hand swords as well as staffs! Very interesting!
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Post by vipr on Aug 4, 2015 12:03:13 GMT
Any word on dagger skill lvl3
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Post by dangercats on Aug 6, 2015 0:05:16 GMT
Dagger skills also work with bowguns they work with all 1 handed equips to be exact. The first attack is also 0mp at lvl 10. I think they do get a certain amount of your base damage but it seems like str adds well to the damage also dex I was testing with a bowgun build and it seems the dagger damage was going up as my base damage did wasnt to far off what the archer skills were doing for damage to be honest and I could throw the free dagger skill between auto attacks for that little bit more damage. I am also under the understanding that crt affects throwing damage more than with other weapons or thats what we sorta all figured durimg alpha.
Heres a potential build bare hand str build with daggers. For some reason barehand is a option starts with 1k+aspd can even use brawler skills. Priest skills and daggers should be interesting lol.
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