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Post by Crysta| on Apr 23, 2016 19:45:37 GMT
I get the idea of a pet on [relax] can be considered solo, if and only if you don't die. However I think we need some testing to see if having a pet summoned even on [relax] can reduce the damage from a boss' area attack, since some skills damage are reduced depending on if you hit more than 1 mob.
I stand by my earlier statement, even though pets aren't people they do accompany you in battle, there's a reason we can't summon a pet while in a party, it counts as a party member. I can use light green egg when I'm in a party.
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Post by Crysta| on Apr 23, 2016 20:02:33 GMT
Even if people use the magic ninja build, commonly 3 clones, they are still vulnerable to aliment and like in anniversary raid lv200: those attacks/map effects which ignore clones. The real delusion is that ninja is a solo class, sure you can solo the mq(with pet #nottruesolo) but when it comes to farming high Lvl boss/raids ninja need a bishop just as much as a paladin. I think that magic ninjas would even more SH than nail or bow ninjs... last time i was helping a magic ninja to bergen after i just recorded it, then i realized he was sh... i was just like "oh sh*t that was the last class i didn't see sh" and if magic ninja continue to grow as its growing, those who SHed with nail will even more sh then... Rantau beat me to it but yes this isn't about sh. My main point was if you intend to farm any aliment inflicting bosses with a ninja, you'll need a party and a bishop is a required by almost every boss you will want to farm in a party. Expecting a high wiz to sit and only mp heal/revive if ninja gets stunned is ludicrous, yet we find this sometimes seeking a party (commonly this is the sh community) Just as an example: Let's farm Raton with a ninja tank, we need a bishop. Let's farm Raton with a paladin, we need a bishop. Let's farm enina with a ninja tank, we need a bishop Let's farm enina with a paladin, we need a bishop. Etcetera... |
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Post by quitted on Apr 23, 2016 20:58:24 GMT
I think that magic ninjas would even more SH than nail or bow ninjs... last time i was helping a magic ninja to bergen after i just recorded it, then i realized he was sh... i was just like "oh sh*t that was the last class i didn't see sh" and if magic ninja continue to grow as its growing, those who SHed with nail will even more sh then... Rantau beat me to it but yes this isn't about sh. My main point was if you intend to farm any aliment inflicting bosses with a ninja, you'll need a party and a bishop is a required by almost every boss you will want to farm in a party. Expecting a high wiz to sit and only mp heal/revive if ninja gets stunned is ludicrous, yet we find this sometimes seeking a party (commonly this is the sh community) Just as an example: Let's farm Raton with a ninja tank, we need a bishop. Let's farm Raton with a paladin, we need a bishop. Let's farm enina with a ninja tank, we need a bishop Let's farm enina with a paladin, we need a bishop. Etcetera... iruna is rpg, and rpg itselt mean "role-playing game", "role" word implying each class have their own different capabilities and different set of actions that should do when they interact with other class.just look at skill like paladin devotion and servant soul connection, they are clearly shows interaction with other player.. im pretty sure asobimo design boss to test our co-opeation with different classes. sure you maybe can solo boss if you are properly planned yourself to solo but, co-operation in party consisted of different classes make things easier. people should not get smug so fast and always anticipate boss difficulties. yea special effect like the one in anniversary map hat ignore clone would be big slap on the face to ninja. |
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Post by asteg on Apr 23, 2016 21:29:27 GMT
U cant summon pets in party because pets are there for you to replace partys, i just dont understand how dying and having your pet heal u isint a true solo and dying and letting light green egg revive you is considered fine
Besides, on most classes in most bosses, your pets are dead 90% of the time, so if i solo a boss with a dead pet its not a solo, but if i went and died 20 times with no pet b had light green egg i'd be a op soloer?
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bravebor
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Post by bravebor on Apr 23, 2016 21:40:07 GMT
Rantau beat me to it but yes this isn't about sh. My main point was if you intend to farm any aliment inflicting bosses with a ninja, you'll need a party and a bishop is a required by almost every boss you will want to farm in a party. Expecting a high wiz to sit and only mp heal/revive if ninja gets stunned is ludicrous, yet we find this sometimes seeking a party (commonly this is the sh community) Just as an example: Let's farm Raton with a ninja tank, we need a bishop. Let's farm Raton with a paladin, we need a bishop. Let's farm enina with a ninja tank, we need a bishop Let's farm enina with a paladin, we need a bishop. Etcetera... iruna is rpg, and rpg itselt mean "role-playing game", "role" word implying each class have their own different capabilities and different set of actions that should do when they interact with other class.just look at skill like paladin devotion and servant soul connection, they are clearly shows interaction with other player.. im pretty sure asobimo design boss to test our co-opeation with different classes. sure you maybe can solo boss if you are properly planned yourself to solo but, co-operation in party consisted of different classes make things easier. people should not get smug so fast and always anticipate boss difficulties. yea special effect like the one in anniversary map hat ignore clone would be big slap on the face to ninja. Its 1 thing I personally dont really understand is how mq solo boss is easy mode which gives ppl a false sense of being "solo player" (*cough* kirito fanfags *cough cough* ) when it would make more sense to be easier in mq at least in pt instead and thereby forcing ppl to pt more as is expected of those playing mmo's |
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Post by Crysta| on Apr 23, 2016 22:00:50 GMT
This is why the term "solo'ing" annoys me. Sure you can kill the boss 1 time with pet revive, light green egg or whatever other means, but can you consistently farm it? Even if this is true you'll want to party with other players to make it faster.
Say you spend 1 hour farming light green eggs, that's 1 hour you lost farming the boss, or say every(other possibly) kill you wait 60 seconds waiting on a pet to revive you.
This should be considered ineffective compared to in a party you can down a boss in roughly 20 seconds.
If you want to be so technical about it, there should be three categories of "solo"...
1) true solo, no pet/no consumables
2) solo with pet
3) solo with consumables
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bravebor
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Post by bravebor on Apr 23, 2016 22:09:10 GMT
This is why the term "solo'ing" annoys me. Sure you can kill the boss 1 time with pet revive, light green egg or whatever other means, but can you consistently farm it? Even if this is true you'll want to party with other players to make it faster. Say you spend 1 hour farming light green eggs, that's 1 hour you lost farming the boss, or say every(other possibly) kill you wait 60 seconds waiting on a pet to revive you. This should be considered ineffective compared to in a party you can down a boss in roughly 20 seconds. If you want to be so technical about it, there should be three categories of "solo"... 1) true solo, no pet/no consumables 2) solo with pet 3) solo with consumables Tbh I'm kinda suprised that glitch that allows revive on light green eggs and some other consumables is still a feature kept in the game when they have ironed the ability to do this out of mins joy amd sorrow(correct me if I said the wrong 1) I'm pretty sure this^point is mainly what asteg has been refering to. |
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Post by bravebor on Apr 23, 2016 22:11:55 GMT
Just to elaborate, why bother to have bishops with resu when a consumable can do the same. Tho the question remains, is light green eggs to be considered a "feature" as we would call our aoe spawn glitch, or would it be deemed to be an actual glitch as mins joy and sorrows revive was obviously deemed to be?
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Post by DarkTazX on Apr 24, 2016 0:48:11 GMT
I think the thing with solo Or true solo or Fake solo its getting out of hand o.o Pls dont fight xD(just saying)
For my opinion soloing with pet I think it's solo so I don't get the point xD
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Post by asteg on Apr 24, 2016 7:08:04 GMT
The point is if u kill a boss with your pet u cant solo it
I do agree with crystal on the sections of solo, i just think if your (talking pally in this example) healing yourself for 15-50k with sp ale every 2-1 secs for a solo fight and thats considered a "true solo" but if you have your pet out (which even at best would be 2-3k hp in 4-7 secs) is considered "not solo"
It doesn't annoy me ppl think that way, it annoys me when people get called nub for using pet and no pots but no one has anything bad to say abou ppl that use light green egg or spam sp. Rev l without pet
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Post by Dragsbro on Apr 24, 2016 9:41:34 GMT
I think that magic ninjas would even more SH than nail or bow ninjs... last time i was helping a magic ninja to bergen after i just recorded it, then i realized he was sh... i was just like "oh sh*t that was the last class i didn't see sh" and if magic ninja continue to grow as its growing, those who SHed with nail will even more sh then... Rantau beat me to it but yes this isn't about sh. My main point was if you intend to farm any aliment inflicting bosses with a ninja, you'll need a party and a bishop is a required by almost every boss you will want to farm in a party. Expecting a high wiz to sit and only mp heal/revive if ninja gets stunned is ludicrous, yet we find this sometimes seeking a party (commonly this is the sh community) Just as an example: Let's farm Raton with a ninja tank, we need a bishop. Let's farm Raton with a paladin, we need a bishop. Let's farm enina with a ninja tank, we need a bishop Let's farm enina with a paladin, we need a bishop. Etcetera... Right i got it, i just answered to quitted about the promotion of magic ninjs... they are nubish magic ninjs as there are nubish nail ninjs, or nubish hw, bishop, et caetera... And as its based on casting times and these are relatively long and hard to complete, 90% of it would sh, so idk if a promotion of it would be a good option u.u Moreover i also don't know if sh*tty 9 clones ninjas have more or less survivability than a good magic ninj... |
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Post by quitted on Apr 25, 2016 19:09:03 GMT
Rantau beat me to it but yes this isn't about sh. My main point was if you intend to farm any aliment inflicting bosses with a ninja, you'll need a party and a bishop is a required by almost every boss you will want to farm in a party. Expecting a high wiz to sit and only mp heal/revive if ninja gets stunned is ludicrous, yet we find this sometimes seeking a party (commonly this is the sh community) Just as an example: Let's farm Raton with a ninja tank, we need a bishop. Let's farm Raton with a paladin, we need a bishop. Let's farm enina with a ninja tank, we need a bishop Let's farm enina with a paladin, we need a bishop. Etcetera... Right i got it, i just answered to quitted about the promotion of magic ninjs... they are nubish magic ninjs as there are nubish nail ninjs, or nubish hw, bishop, et caetera... And as its based on casting times and these are relatively long and hard to complete, 90% of it would sh, so idk if a promotion of it would be a good option u.u Moreover i also don't know if sh*tty 9 clones ninjas have more or less survivability than a good magic ninj... sh is different problem. its good to promote magic build ninja, at least it can make less people less die instantly on stun. they know their weakness is stun yet so many recklessly keep attacking without watching the hate bar. the truth is 9 clones build ninja cant tank mob/boss that have stun. i believe magic ninja can inflict ailments too, thats should be helpful to weaken mob/boss, most people overlook that. ailment actually can indirectly increase dps. think this way,more ailment on boss/mob = less dps from boss/mob = less time to defend/heal yourself = more time to deal damage. most people only focus on direct dps. same to other class actually like hwiz,monk etc their ailment on their skills actually helpful to party too. |
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Post by asteg on Apr 26, 2016 7:57:34 GMT
Just came from alchemist board...
It seems that alchemist gets skills up to lvl 300, meanwhile im still waiting for bk skills, which are currently at lvl 200
I swear to almas if diel style lvl 4 is in the lineup....
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Post by jawsh64 on Apr 26, 2016 8:14:21 GMT
 That one moment a nub be asking for lvling and such then calls us selfish. Like wait till u get at our lvl @.@ |
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Post by tsappira on Apr 26, 2016 8:25:23 GMT
That one moment a nub be asking for lvling and such then calls us selfish. Like wait till u get at our lvl @.@ ah yes, because we all started playing Iruna to be mister gravy headphones' slaves :'v gravy headphones though?? yuck? xD |
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