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Post by Legacy on Mar 9, 2015 4:41:51 GMT
I am thinking of making a minstrel with vit str and crit I need advice on my build if it is any good and what gears should I be looking into and as for xtals I'm thinking atk and crit dmg xtals
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Post by ManaKhe on Mar 9, 2015 5:23:07 GMT
VIT on Minstrels=You want to be tanking
At least in my opinion. You are basically picking between DPS and tanking on Minstrel. Also if you bring your max HP down to 1 you use no HP when you use Songs which is nice. You have Resurrect or Joy and Sorrow to revive you as well.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 7:24:26 GMT
What type of ministrel do you intend to be? Pure support? DPS? Tank? a mixture of all 3? This is kinda possible now that dragonnewt is here and the fact that you have skills that can support you to make your damage higher. I don't recommend getting ninja gears to make your hp 1 in boss fights as bosses can 1 hit you easily and all of the ministrels skills generate hate pretty fast, more likely to use this set in a grinding party if there is no bishop.
Hmmm if you intend to do vit/str/crt I would go for crt damage gears like vanregal or atk gears like schlacht, though if you tell us your budget I can think of a set that can fit it too ^^
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Post by ManaKhe on Mar 9, 2015 8:21:18 GMT
What type of ministrel do you intend to be? Pure support? DPS? Tank? a mixture of all 3? This is kinda possible now that dragonnewt is here and the fact that you have skills that can support you to make your damage higher. I don't recommend getting ninja gears to make your hp 1 in boss fights as bosses can 1 hit you easily and all of the ministrels skills generate hate pretty fast, more likely to use this set in a grinding party if there is no bishop. Hmmm if you intend to do vit/str/crt I would go for crt damage gears like vanregal or atk gears like schlacht, though if you tell us your budget I can think of a set that can fit it too ^^ For the bosses one hitting you there is joy and sorrow and Resurrect. If you are really going hard on the DPS as a Minstrel your HP will be so low you will probably get one shotted anyways so might as well go for 1 HP and ignore the HP cost of skills(which I feel should be removed anyways). Obviously this won't be an optimal setup in every situation but it's perfectly fine in most decent parties on most bosses. I've heard of other DPS classes using Ganei's on gear over other xtals because HP doesn't matter for them. Same goes for Minstrel pretty much. I still feel that there is no such thing as a Pure support build. There's no way to increase their support at all via stats. INT will help you last longer before you need MP in some cases but a lot of times you end up using Dream anyways. VIT may end up making Bishops have to heal you more than if you didn't have it to begin with. The only thing you can do support wise is make Enchanter/Hwiz and Bishop ignore you more often. DEX just makes you buff quicker but you can only keep two songs up at once, there will be more Dnewt spam though if you are doing that. Do Minstrels get more hate than well geared Hwiz+Sins+Geo Monks? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2015 17:23:44 GMT
What type of ministrel do you intend to be? Pure support? DPS? Tank? a mixture of all 3? This is kinda possible now that dragonnewt is here and the fact that you have skills that can support you to make your damage higher. I don't recommend getting ninja gears to make your hp 1 in boss fights as bosses can 1 hit you easily and all of the ministrels skills generate hate pretty fast, more likely to use this set in a grinding party if there is no bishop. Hmmm if you intend to do vit/str/crt I would go for crt damage gears like vanregal or atk gears like schlacht, though if you tell us your budget I can think of a set that can fit it too ^^ For the bosses one hitting you there is joy and sorrow and Resurrect. If you are really going hard on the DPS as a Minstrel your HP will be so low you will probably get one shotted anyways so might as well go for 1 HP and ignore the HP cost of skills(which I feel should be removed anyways). Obviously this won't be an optimal setup in every situation but it's perfectly fine in most decent parties on most bosses. I've heard of other DPS classes using Ganei's on gear over other xtals because HP doesn't matter for them. Same goes for Minstrel pretty much. I still feel that there is no such thing as a Pure support build. There's no way to increase their support at all via stats. INT will help you last longer before you need MP in some cases but a lot of times you end up using Dream anyways. VIT may end up making Bishops have to heal you more than if you didn't have it to begin with. The only thing you can do support wise is make Enchanter/Hwiz and Bishop ignore you more often. DEX just makes you buff quicker but you can only keep two songs up at once, there will be more Dnewt spam though if you are doing that. Do Minstrels get more hate than well geared Hwiz+Sins+Geo Monks? Ministrel is a support class whether people accept that or not. Practically all of its active skills are buffs, hence why they are a support class. A bishops job is meant to heal so i dont see any problems really if he has to heal and not ignore party members when he has to play his role. I call it pure support if what you can do mainly is just spam buffs and switch between buffs depending on the situation lol .-. Ministrel is a different job class though so you can't compare them to DPS classes. Ninja is an exception since they need that for cloning and damage though lol .-. Idk for sure, but after spamming ministrel skills 2 or 3 times, aggro tends to go to them sometimes. I wouldn't want to keep joy and sorrow song on at all times to be honest lol since dream wisdom life nostalgia and passion songs are more reliable to use to help the party. VIT does make your survival more stable mind you compared to an AGI/CRT ministrel if a boss/mob hits you. VIT is partly the factor, but its more of hp consumption as it uses 10% of your HP per cast. |
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Post by ManaKhe on Mar 9, 2015 18:13:18 GMT
Kind of to show the survival of Minstrel with 1 HP. I understand Joy and Sorrow isn't optimal all the time since their are other songs are really great as well but it won't be needed unless you are solo in a lot of cases. This is showing off Minstrels damage. While this person is probably insanely well geared they are still hitting about 50-60k with Dnewt. That's lower than any of the other DPS classes but still well above tank damage and enough to beat out DPS that aren't well geared. Also the Gladiator was keeping hate most of the time with Sword Tempest spam from the Minstrel. Glad hate<Pally/Chanter hate. So hate shouldn't be that much of an issue unless you have a Ninja tank in which case all the DPS classes have to back off on the spamming anyways. Minstrel is a support/DPS or support/Tank class depending on how you build it since you can't do much to help the support aspect of it. I'm not sure how well exactly they can tank but they can definitely do okay DPS. |
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Post by Capicuo on Mar 9, 2015 18:49:17 GMT
Kind of to show the survival of Minstrel with 1 HP. I understand Joy and Sorrow isn't optimal all the time since their are other songs are really great as well but it won't be needed unless you are solo in a lot of cases. This is showing off Minstrels damage. While this person is probably insanely well geared they are still hitting about 50-60k with Dnewt. That's lower than any of the other DPS classes but still well above tank damage and enough to beat out DPS that aren't well geared. Also the Gladiator was keeping hate most of the time with Sword Tempest spam from the Minstrel. Glad hate<Pally/Chanter hate. So hate shouldn't be that much of an issue unless you have a Ninja tank in which case all the DPS classes have to back off on the spamming anyways. Minstrel is a support/DPS or support/Tank class depending on how you build it since you can't do much to help the support aspect of it. I'm not sure how well exactly they can tank but they can definitely do okay DPS. From my point of view dragonewt song still a buff that u give to every pt member that do dmg based on pt member number (and other factors) with the next melee hit. This would b 20k (average) each member x4=80k. So in that case that is 60x4=240k (if EVERY member hit melee). I don't have any mins so im surely wrong but... is minstrel a full support class? I don't think so, more like they r support medium-dps. |
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Post by ManaKhe on Mar 9, 2015 19:38:22 GMT
Kind of to show the survival of Minstrel with 1 HP. I understand Joy and Sorrow isn't optimal all the time since their are other songs are really great as well but it won't be needed unless you are solo in a lot of cases. This is showing off Minstrels damage. While this person is probably insanely well geared they are still hitting about 50-60k with Dnewt. That's lower than any of the other DPS classes but still well above tank damage and enough to beat out DPS that aren't well geared. Also the Gladiator was keeping hate most of the time with Sword Tempest spam from the Minstrel. Glad hate<Pally/Chanter hate. So hate shouldn't be that much of an issue unless you have a Ninja tank in which case all the DPS classes have to back off on the spamming anyways. Minstrel is a support/DPS or support/Tank class depending on how you build it since you can't do much to help the support aspect of it. I'm not sure how well exactly they can tank but they can definitely do okay DPS. From my point of view dragonewt song still a buff that u give to every pt member that do dmg based on pt member number (and other factors) with the next melee hit. This would b 20k (average) each member x4=80k. So in that case that is 60x4=240k (if EVERY member hit melee). I don't have any mins so im surely wrong but... is minstrel a full support class? I don't think so, more like they r support medium-dps. I was adding the hits up so definitely not 240k haha. More like 15kx4=60k xD. I agree with support/medium DPS. They basically do the lowest damage of the DPS classes while making up for it with awesome support. Their DPS is still high enough to out damage DPS classes with gear somewhat except for Geo Monk+Sin(Ex:My Monk with 2 BC's and a Cerb using Fuma does 60k Geo with Freeze). |
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Post by Legacy on Mar 9, 2015 23:08:04 GMT
What type of ministrel do you intend to be? Pure support? DPS? Tank? a mixture of all 3? This is kinda possible now that dragonnewt is here and the fact that you have skills that can support you to make your damage higher. I don't recommend getting ninja gears to make your hp 1 in boss fights as bosses can 1 hit you easily and all of the ministrels skills generate hate pretty fast, more likely to use this set in a grinding party if there is no bishop. Hmmm if you intend to do vit/str/crt I would go for crt damage gears like vanregal or atk gears like schlacht, though if you tell us your budget I can think of a set that can fit it too ^^ well I have like 60m to spend |
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Post by Legacy on Mar 10, 2015 3:50:10 GMT
VIT on Minstrels=You want to be tanking At least in my opinion. You are basically picking between DPS and tanking on Minstrel. Also if you bring your max HP down to 1 you use no HP when you use Songs which is nice. You have Resurrect or Joy and Sorrow to revive you as well. so if I decide to go all ganeis 1 HP wouldn't be a problem? |
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Post by ManaKhe on Mar 10, 2015 16:16:37 GMT
VIT on Minstrels=You want to be tanking At least in my opinion. You are basically picking between DPS and tanking on Minstrel. Also if you bring your max HP down to 1 you use no HP when you use Songs which is nice. You have Resurrect or Joy and Sorrow to revive you as well. so if I decide to go all ganeis 1 HP wouldn't be a problem? It depends on the situation. I wouldn't go for using it all the time. Even without HP 1 Joy and Sorrow should keep your HP up. |
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Post by Legacy on Mar 11, 2015 14:21:45 GMT
so if I decide to go all ganeis 1 HP wouldn't be a problem? It depends on the situation. I wouldn't go for using it all the time. Even without HP 1 Joy and Sorrow should keep your HP up. oh ok thnx |
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