danoslen
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Post by danoslen on Mar 4, 2015 0:35:57 GMT
Yep! Counter monk! In theory this will transform monk into possibly the most op build ever. If it works out ill be out tanking even ur tankiest ninjas.
First off i should say why this works. Lentus. At 160 we sexy monks get a skill called lentus that revives a monk who dies while unconscious... unless u die by poison but for that we have vaccines.
How can u keep yourself in a coma? i seem to recall a pot called... green meat was it? either way its on the high ent map
Soooo yea... the build. Im here to say ANYTHING GOES. Int, agi, crt, etc... However as a note vit and agi are like the least desirable for this. For my purpose ill be doin a geo spammer build: int, crt, dex/str.
agi makes u get hit less
if your thinking vit then im just gonna slap you since if you understood what i said u would find it obvious lentus makes the stat kinda unneeded
equips and xtals can be anything that deals damage with a counter. I havnt really decided what i wanna use. But i do know that im gonna use, sofy(holy light), ifrit(fire lance) or Anubites(dark blast.) This depends on the equips i choose cuz i want things to stack all nicely. Yes, ill use 4 of my chosen xtal.
Ideal set: anubites x4, dpr up, Lotus seed, Glory Cloak/viola, idk weapon yet..
Al crysta
bottom and top will be red
middle three will be blue
Pros:
can do anything geo spammer can do
can solo almost anything
Cons:
need lots of stun pots
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any feedback or suggestions on equips?
and do ifrit and anubites stack?
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Post by Capicuo on Mar 4, 2015 10:39:28 GMT
Yep! Counter monk! In theory this will transform monk into possibly the most op build ever. If it works out ill be out tanking even ur tankiest ninjas. First off i should say why this works. Lentus. At 160 we sexy monks get a skill called lentus that revives a monk who dies while unconscious... unless u die by poison but for that we have vaccines. How can u keep yourself in a coma? i seem to recall a pot called... green meat was it? either way its on the high ent map Soooo yea... the build. Im here to say ANYTHING GOES. Int, agi, crt, etc... However as a note vit and agi are like the least desirable for this. For my purpose ill be doin a geo spammer build: int, crt, dex/str. agi makes u get hit less if your thinking vit then im just gonna slap you since if you understood what i said u would find it obvious lentus makes the stat kinda unneeded equips and xtals can be anything that deals damage with a counter. I havnt really decided what i wanna use. But i do know that im gonna use, sofy(holy light), ifrit(fire lance) or Anubites(dark blast.) This depends on the equips i choose cuz i want things to stack all nicely. Yes, ill use 4 of my chosen xtal. Ideal set: anubites x4, dpr up, Lotus seed, Glory Cloak/viola, idk weapon yet.. Al crystabottom and top will be red middle three will be blue Pros:can do anything geo spammer can do can solo almost anything Cons:need lots of stun pots . . . . . . . . any feedback or suggestions on equips? and do ifrit and anubites stack? As a counterchanter I can tell u smthng for sure: counter dmg clases r not suited for tanking cuz they not generate enought aggro. On the other hand, counter style is really fun and OP for speed-lvling, since u Just have to hit 3-4 mobs and see em die! Now, for the stats u need yes or yes INT cuz magic counters r based on m.atk BUT physical counters r based on lv. Some VIT will help with the stun pot consumption. A good lvling set would b Ignis claw+Lava mail III for fire counter, mir symbol and lotus seed/fearsome claw. This works greats against h.ents, where u can reach lv 200+ relatively fast. Add some + autoskill rate xtals. P.S.: Keep in mind that counter style depends on mob's aspd so low hitting mobs/bosses will take a while to kill. |
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Post by roll right, roll hard! on Mar 4, 2015 10:44:45 GMT
post results ;], but i think it wont work.
i have now monk with 251int, 112vit, 342agi and 300crt
eq. dragvelio cerberus, ultimi magonza, vanregal vida, dcs wol - with this set 18k hp
and still, having nice hp and eva, high bosses can kill me.
My monk hits 10k normal attack, 30+geo, and sometimes wol twices att i think u cant beat that damages making counter only and if u focus on geo spam u wont have enought points to keep ur eva.
lentus revives u with 1 hp and u r unbuffed so for eg. if u get anti mp and crt that kill u u will rev with 1 hp and 0 mp, what u gonna do use another cursed evil eye and wait for next boss hit that kill u? ( u wanna kill him from counters from boss attacks btwin c. evil eyes usage? )
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danoslen
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Post by danoslen on Mar 4, 2015 15:15:02 GMT
post results ;], but i think it wont work. i have now monk with 251int, 112vit, 342agi and 300crt eq. dragvelio cerberus, ultimi magonza, vanregal vida, dcs wol - with this set 18k hp and still, having nice hp and eva, high bosses can kill me. My monk hits 10k normal attack, 30+geo, and sometimes wol twices att i think u cant beat that damages making counter only and if u focus on geo spam u wont have enought points to keep ur eva. lentus revives u with 1 hp and u r unbuffed so for eg. if u get anti mp and crt that kill u u will rev with 1 hp and 0 mp, what u gonna do use another cursed evil eye and wait for next boss hit that kill u? ( u wanna kill him from counters from boss attacks btwin c. evil eyes usage? ) evasion can actually be harmful for me as i want to get hit, ill be revived with lentus, i also noticed while farming rose aura with my claw monk that i was getting lentus to revive me around 2-8k. My max hp is like 12k or so. |
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danoslen
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Post by danoslen on Mar 4, 2015 15:22:01 GMT
Yep! Counter monk! In theory this will transform monk into possibly the most op build ever. If it works out ill be out tanking even ur tankiest ninjas. First off i should say why this works. Lentus. At 160 we sexy monks get a skill called lentus that revives a monk who dies while unconscious... unless u die by poison but for that we have vaccines. How can u keep yourself in a coma? i seem to recall a pot called... green meat was it? either way its on the high ent map Soooo yea... the build. Im here to say ANYTHING GOES. Int, agi, crt, etc... However as a note vit and agi are like the least desirable for this. For my purpose ill be doin a geo spammer build: int, crt, dex/str. agi makes u get hit less if your thinking vit then im just gonna slap you since if you understood what i said u would find it obvious lentus makes the stat kinda unneeded equips and xtals can be anything that deals damage with a counter. I havnt really decided what i wanna use. But i do know that im gonna use, sofy(holy light), ifrit(fire lance) or Anubites(dark blast.) This depends on the equips i choose cuz i want things to stack all nicely. Yes, ill use 4 of my chosen xtal. Ideal set: anubites x4, dpr up, Lotus seed, Glory Cloak/viola, idk weapon yet.. Al crystabottom and top will be red middle three will be blue Pros:can do anything geo spammer can do can solo almost anything Cons:need lots of stun pots . . . . . . . . any feedback or suggestions on equips? and do ifrit and anubites stack? As a counterchanter I can tell u smthng for sure: counter dmg clases r not suited for tanking cuz they not generate enought aggro. On the other hand, counter style is really fun and OP for speed-lvling, since u Just have to hit 3-4 mobs and see em die! Now, for the stats u need yes or yes INT cuz magic counters r based on m.atk BUT physical counters r based on lv. Some VIT will help with the stun pot consumption. A good lvling set would b Ignis claw+Lava mail III for fire counter, mir symbol and lotus seed/fearsome claw. This works greats against h.ents, where u can reach lv 200+ relatively fast. Add some + autoskill rate xtals. P.S.: Keep in mind that counter style depends on mob's aspd so low hitting mobs/bosses will take a while to kill. if im in a party i can always switch back to geo set and id prob need alot of vit to avoid some of the larger hits, so idk.. my biggest concern would be trigger rate e.e |
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Post by bakanyan on Mar 4, 2015 16:06:15 GMT
if im in a party i can always switch back to geo set and id prob need alot of vit to avoid some of the larger hits, so idk.. my biggest concern would be trigger rate e.e Without draw, it'll probably be hard to proc even with Lotus Seeds. And if your doing agi, you'll be hit less which will activate counter far less. To me, it appears as if you've just mixed some parts of ninja and enchanter. I don't think Lentus, the core skill of this build will be that effective. |
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Post by ManaKhe on Mar 5, 2015 4:49:49 GMT
I don't think it would work out well at all. It isn't really tanky actually. Tanky would be high survivability AND high aggro. It may have high survivability I guess? I think it would run into issues.
It also won't be able to do everything Geo Monk can do since it won't be in that 100k+DPS club lol.
I'm also gonna say Ninjas aren't tanky either haha. They can tank in specific situations but if any high DPS is in the party they will practically immediately lose hate. I think most Ninjas don't like tanking nowadays anyways lol. They are better suited to being a DPS.
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ggtalon
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Post by ggtalon on Mar 5, 2015 5:35:34 GMT
asking for thought/opinions?
Counter gear requires high auto% to activate (not saying it wont activate otherwise), but makes it more geared to enchanter. who has said autoskill buff.
lentus will only activate if you "die" while stunned, but you also dont revive with max hp. the other downside is you cant attack while stunned rendering your weapon (and its autoskill) useless.
The build seems fun for mobs, but not too applicable for bosses.
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Mar 5, 2015 6:26:55 GMT
I personally doubt this build could solo anything as you need to be stunned to activate Lentus and you need pots to activate the stun. There is a split second clearance between using pots (and this risk will grow when you apply it for multiple hits), with 1HP+no evasion will mean instant death. If you did have evasion then you will have problems killing the mob/boss while stunned because the counter will not proc on evasion.
It offers no insurance and will make you live like "1 miss, you die". I don't think that is enjoyable unless you have an addiction to adrenaline (if you can keep pulling it off) or have high frustration tolerance (if you keep missing and dying).
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danoslen
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Post by danoslen on Mar 6, 2015 1:58:25 GMT
ok, sooo as alot of people say i wont deal damage while stunned, does that mean im wrong in thinking that while im stunned i can trigger counters caused by def?
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Post by Capicuo on Mar 6, 2015 11:00:58 GMT
ok, sooo as alot of people say i wont deal damage while stunned, does that mean im wrong in thinking that while im stunned i can trigger counters caused by def? Of course u can trigger counter attacks while stunned. |
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danoslen
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Post by danoslen on Mar 6, 2015 13:05:08 GMT
ok, sooo as alot of people say i wont deal damage while stunned, does that mean im wrong in thinking that while im stunned i can trigger counters caused by def? Of course u can trigger counter attacks while stunned. ok then >.> perhaps i should have tried this build before i posted it |
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