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Post by Jeancarlo on Jul 28, 2015 2:35:27 GMT
What Matk would robe+pouch surpass others?
just did Quick test, robe moldus + pouch empty vs robe moldus + viola Fg and my dmg went down by about 10%
matk 3254 w Light ring
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Post by Jeancarlo on Jul 29, 2015 0:24:09 GMT
Tilt*Madara, looking at this combo (Still do not have it) Medic Pouch + Cleric Robe, is there anything more to it than what's stated (i.e. any hidden stats)? Specifically, trying to figure out how much more it's provide DMG wise vs something like Emido+Viola? Cleric Robe 5% MATK + Medic Pouch Light Power 10% = ~15% MATK give or take some differential in converting Light power to MATK versus Emido 12% MATK + Viola 9% MATK = 21% MATK Again, looking solely at DMG, i.e. nemesis, benefit and not delays or cspd or even Heal power. *Post To be updated* Buuttt before editing ill say that the lower the matk the more other combos will outdamage cleric robe and med pouch. The higher the matk the more effective cler+pouch get /poke
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Post by Tilt*Madara on Jul 29, 2015 1:22:39 GMT
*Post To be updated* Buuttt before editing ill say that the lower the matk the more other combos will outdamage cleric robe and med pouch. The higher the matk the more effective cler+pouch get /poke XD -------Thoughts scattered so bare with me x.x--------- So lets step back a second and see whats being compared High Raw matk % (vio and emido is 21% I think but lets just fly with that) And Low Raw matk%+ light element (cler+pouch gives 5% matk and 10% light I think so lets go with that) In nemisis case, the light element is factored after the damage output is made(see little math above) sooooo the higher the output is the higher damage the light % will give. I found that for lower level players the amount of matk will need higher end gear and higher matk% to get to the same damage as a lv.280 because of the possible amount of INT(static matk) that can be added. Because of this lower level players have to overcompensate matk where higher levels can build light% and get a bigger bang in the end. For example(exaggerated to show what I mean), If a lvl 180 has 2k matk normally, you would need 50%matk to get to 3k. If a lvl 280 has 2.5k matk normally you would only need 20%matk to get to 3k At 3k nemisis should hit around 27k(Base Nemisis) Lets say that higher matk gear like emido and viola is used to make that 50% for the lv.180....they miss out on the light10% thats factored in AFTER ( 27k Base Nemisis) in the end the 27k will stay at 27k. the lv.280 does not have to far to go to hit the needed 20% so it can settle with weaker matk gear like cler+medpouch to reach the 3k AND It can enjoy the light10% factored in AFTER (27k Base Nemisis) so that 27k just went to 29.7k while using "Weaker" gear compared to the lower level. -------------- So until I figure out when exactly cleric+pouch would be better than raw matk I cant give a accurate answer. Ill make another bishop to find out and will make a video since its so hard to explain here. I personally found my sweet spot to be 4kish before cler+pouch out damages my pure matk set. But It could be diff for others. This has been a pretty bad month for me when it comes to activeness ingame so Im a little rusty. Ill pick it up in the next few days
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Post by Tilt*Madara on Jul 29, 2015 1:38:19 GMT
Oh and for those that want to test I stress the importannce of being fair with your gears and testing. i.e Making sure the same xtals and abilities are used.
Like if your using cleric robe moldus and med pouch isu
Your emido needs moldus and your viola needs isu
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Post by Jeancarlo on Jul 29, 2015 2:46:54 GMT
Oh and for those that want to test I stress the importannce of being fair with your gears and testing. i.e Making sure the same xtals and abilities are used. Like if your using cleric robe moldus and med pouch isu Your emido needs moldus and your viola needs isu Best I can do (stole gear from HW for testing) F Book4 Gerust C Robe Moldus M pouch Empty vs Viola Fg Magical Ring I don't really understand what you said previously lol but I think I get it. More importantly, I think I saw what you're talking about. full buff w Viola FG was around 4800 Matk and was doing around 45-47k on crisys full buff w M pouch was around 4300 Matk and was doing slightly less, closer to 44-45k Full buff + Viola Fg + Spellburst skill around 6k Matk doing 55-57k Full buff + M pouch + Spellburts skill around 5.5k Matk doing almost the same 55-57k so how ever the added buff from robe+pouch is calculated, it's enough to "match" the 19% combo from viola+fg
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Post by MinHa ( ̄^ ̄)ゞ on Nov 7, 2015 17:45:44 GMT
Double effect of Moldus(on armor with Dex>199) is Matk+14% or only Dex+2? '-'
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Post by Envy on Nov 7, 2015 19:29:03 GMT
Double effect of Moldus(on armor with Dex>199) is Matk+14% or only Dex+2? '-' both matk+14% and dex+2
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Post by Envy on Nov 7, 2015 19:40:07 GMT
I've noted a combo that trumps c robe and medic pouch for higher level bishops by 2k with the same xtals in them that combo being yin ninja garb up and ecarlate
While testing (same xtals moldus/ush) these were my results
C robe(moldus) M pouch(ush) 56-58k average nemesis
While Yin garb(moldus) Ecarlate(ush) 58-60k average nemesis
This set trumps for damage but has no -SD so if you use a gerust you'd need a chiltin to cover it as your neme without delay would be extremely slow. This set also doesn't have the heal benefits of c robe and pouch its for raw damage. I wouldn't recommend this for newer players though as yin and ecarlate is around 30-40m vs robe and pouch for like 9-12m
The reason I believe that yin and ecarlate trumps c robe and m pouch is this
Yin garb up gives elemental magic+10% and since light is factored as an element this should be the exact same thing as light magic power+10% from C robe and medic pouch which cancels
So here's where I believe it trumps With c robe and medic pouch you get matk+5% from C robe as m pouch doesn't give any matk(from what I remember) while ecarlate gives MATK up by 50% of INT meaning if you have 400 INT it gives you +200 matk regardless of your matk
On the other hand the 5% from C robe you would need a BASE of about 4k matk meaning before you add in the % from xtals and gear to get that extra +200 matk
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Post by MinHa ( ̄^ ̄)ゞ on Nov 8, 2015 0:26:39 GMT
Thank you '-'
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Post by teapot on Jan 4, 2016 13:04:02 GMT
What's everyone thoughts on struggler?
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Post by EnderBoy on Jan 20, 2016 18:15:14 GMT
Might I Suggest Adding A Few More Equips
Restos Rod:(Weapon Rod) Atk:216
Matk +10% Light&Dark Magic +3% Skill Delay +0.5 Sec Hate Rise -24% Matk Up By Defense (Better Chance Of Procing If You Let The Mob Hit You)
Kerykeion II:(Weapon Rod) Atk:192 (Upgrade Obtained From Lograth City Blacksmith)
Matk +11% Mp Cost -10% Melee R+7% Heal Recovery +5% Item Delay -0.5 Sec
Black Armour Magic:(Armour)(A.K.A. Emido) Atk:20 Def:10 (Obtained From Kreya City Blacksmith) Materials:Jet Black Feather(Barbad) 2 Prophet's Evil Eye(Dajarte) 3 High Mythril (Any Blacksmith)
Matk +12% Autoskill +5% Absolute Evasion +5% Magic R -25% Spell Burst +10%
Emisul Helm:(Add Gear) Atk:0 Def:18 Melee R +10% Max Mp -15% Small Hp Up By Lvl (Around 1500-2000 If 200-220)
Magia Ring:(Special) Atk:0 Def:0 Matk +5% Max Mp-10% Mp Cost +10%
(The Additional Mp Cost Doesn't Matter Because Bless Takes Care Of Recovery For You But You Shouldn't Go Over +20% Mp Cost It Could Mess Your Performance Up)
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Post by Pixie on Jan 20, 2016 23:25:23 GMT
Any new advice for 220+? I want to get to 260 but im struggling to get a level a day leveling at high ents...
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Post by super n00b on Jan 20, 2016 23:52:48 GMT
Any new advice for 220+? I want to get to 260 but im struggling to get a level a day leveling at high ents... Personally for me, I just [finally] reached level 240.. I solo at Baum Warriors if I don't have my bishy friend to level with. My MATK when buffed is 6.1k.. I can handle 2-3 easily when I use Litcher on them..
I heard Jacbos are good exp for bishops as well. o.o But you need at least 6k+ MATK. You can also sell the Thick Rev M stacks that you pick up.. (I haven't really tried this method yet)
Other than that, I;m not sure where else you can level and get decent exp..
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Post by BISH on Jan 21, 2016 3:07:43 GMT
hey guys im not new to bishop(i had 2 of them but deleted) i just made another currently lvl 1 and was wondering if im on the right track for my set arcbishop speceter (gerust) & caterina rod clean c.robe(moldus) m pouch clean(plaining to get ushilith sbangle(cause im only lvl1) please tell me if this is good set and what i need to change about it thank you
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Post by reb13 on Jan 21, 2016 3:56:36 GMT
hey guys im not new to bishop(i had 2 of them but deleted) i just made another currently lvl 1 and was wondering if im on the right track for my set arcbishop speceter (gerust) & caterina rod clean c.robe(moldus) m pouch clean(plaining to get ushilith sbangle(cause im only lvl1) please tell me if this is good set and what i need to change about it thank you well get a gerust first for caterina and meza for future spec^^ other than that its a pretty decent set
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