Flarius
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What do people do with all the extra time they save by writing "K" instead of "OK"?
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Post by Flarius on Mar 23, 2014 20:36:26 GMT
Soo crit rate affect double backstab .. I should stick to bc,ganei,Plaz or critical 2.. Im kinda confuse bout backstab rate.. Backstab rate= double atk rate soo how come it affect by critical rate? Suigetsu -30 critical rate.. From what i read in wiki every 9CRT= +1% double atk rate N 3CRT=1crit rate(pretty sure bout double atk rate not affect by critical rate but CRT itself cuz i got toon lvl 76 agi crt(140 agi rest crt) killing bc until 102 that using 4x critical 2 n t.garbIII. i start replace it with bc/sharpness every 6 lvl n i can see my double atk proc alot when near 100). Ill try to test the backstab rate when my toon hit 140 (Lvl104 right now..gonna be a while x.x) with 4x suigetsu some of the backstab crt description ※ only throwing equipment at the time, (trigger percentage is about 33% maximum value in the CRT-dependent) damage twice the occurrence of further damage along with the above-mentioned effects shine it does mentioned there its crt dependent and crt does consist of crt rate and double atk rate. probably the double backstab rate is a mix between this crt rate and double atk rate.( like the defend system, magic def + magic r, def+physical resistant) but still,kindly test it and please share the result,maybe im missing something while testing it,just to be sure
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Flarius
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What do people do with all the extra time they save by writing "K" instead of "OK"?
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Post by Flarius on Mar 23, 2014 20:47:03 GMT
I would find it a waste to reset stats when AGI/INT/CRT is a workable build from scratch. Save your reset book for when you decide to discard AGI and go full INT/CRT/DEX or STR. May I know what a workable agi/int/crit is? I have already maxed agi. O.o i assume ur usin pure agi crt and nail weapons. ive faced this kind of situation with some of assassins in game,so heres what to do. 1st solution : continue agi crt until lvl 140 or 160, then reset ur stats to throwing based stats. 2nd solution : if ur crt reaches 120 or 150 or over than that,stop the stats, and start pushing all to int and max it out, as for equipments, change to throwing when u have decent int(150+ and above) and ur good to go,only need patience to lvl ur char usin claws for temporary. 3rd solution : reset ur character from scratch
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Post by Almas on Mar 24, 2014 3:53:43 GMT
Okay thank you Flarius. Will try to do Solution number, 2.
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Post by godofafro on Mar 24, 2014 4:04:52 GMT
I have a crit dmging build suggestion...
additional using horn helm up bc armor using schwartz up minenaga
stats goes crt max, int max, enough agi till max aspd (include perma stat agi and evasion buff), rest to dex
only defense is to keep utilizing shadow walk and dependent on illusion or high mdef from max int
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Mar 24, 2014 5:09:53 GMT
Soo crit rate affect double backstab .. I should stick to bc,ganei,Plaz or critical 2.. Im kinda confuse bout backstab rate.. Backstab rate= double atk rate soo how come it affect by critical rate? Suigetsu -30 critical rate.. From what i read in wiki every 9CRT= +1% double atk rate N 3CRT=1crit rate(pretty sure bout double atk rate not affect by critical rate but CRT itself cuz i got toon lvl 76 agi crt(140 agi rest crt) killing bc until 102 that using 4x critical 2 n t.garbIII. i start replace it with bc/sharpness every 6 lvl n i can see my double atk proc alot when near 100). Ill try to test the backstab rate when my toon hit 140 (Lvl104 right now..gonna be a while x.x) with 4x suigetsu some of the backstab crt description ※ only throwing equipment at the time, (trigger percentage is about 33% maximum value in the CRT-dependent) damage twice the occurrence of further damage along with the above-mentioned effects shine it does mentioned there its crt dependent and crt does consist of crt rate and double atk rate. probably the double backstab rate is a mix between this crt rate and double atk rate.( like the defend system, magic def + magic r, def+physical resistant) but still,kindly test it and please share the result,maybe im missing something while testing it,just to be sure Well it says that double damage is determined by CRT stat and has 33% proc in 256 CRT so logically, CRT rate should have no effect on this, unless the damage by backstab has a normal dmg and a critical damage which I have no idea about. If backstab has a regular and a critical damage, then suigetsu is bad, otherwise, it will be good. The proc rate of double backstab damage will be independent, much like double attack (or even spell burst, I would reckon) since double attack will proc even if the damage is not critical. You can have -100% crt rate and it will still proc.
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ZEF
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Post by ZEF on Mar 25, 2014 15:46:47 GMT
Backstab assassin can build in many way, please make sure u know wat is the game play u wan.
Here is some note i done earlier on for my guild wikidot.
Throwing Knife Assassin (Skill, gear, calculation)
Backstab Assassin is kind of rare in iruna. The skill, build and gear is kind of complicated to combine and calculation
Due to the Assassin Skill always involve of CRT rate, CRT DMG, ASPD, Evasion. With the more and more weapon, gear, Xtal available. It is hard to build a perfect assassin without multiple reset.
Note: Each AGI +1 EVA 1 AGI + 1.833 ASPD
Assassin skill
Hawkeye (From Hunter) SLv2 MP96 (4 minutes time effect, DEX +15, Critical Damage +15%)
Execute SLv1 MP48 Assassin job change ( CRT +10, Critical Damage +5% with Throwing weapon, 5 minutes,) SLv2 MP60 (Lv180) (CRT +20, Critical Damage +7% with Throwing weapon, 6 minutes) Means: Execute 1, you have CRT Rate +3.3%, Critical Damage +5% Execute 2, you have CRT Rate +6.7%, Critical Damage +7%
Evasion SLv3 MP96 - Assassin job change time (5 minutes time AGI +32 effect) SLv4 MP120 - (LV200) (6 minutes time AGI +40 effect) use SLv5 MP144 - (Lv280) use (AGI +48 duration 7 minutes) means: With AGI 32, You have (EVA +32, ASPD + 58 ASPD) With AGI 40, You have (EVA +40, ASPD + 73.32 ASPD)
Invisible SLv1 MP48 - assassin apprentice (5 minutes time effect, Hate rate -5%, AVD +10%) SLv2 MP72 - (LV200) (6 minutes time effect, Hate rate -8%, AVD +15%) SLv3 MP96 - (Lv260) ( 7 minutes time effect AVD +20)
** Shadow Walk** SLv1 MP50 (Lv180) (AVD +100%, 30 second effect) SLv2 MP50 (Lv220) (AVD +100%, 60 second effect)
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ZEF
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Post by ZEF on Mar 25, 2014 16:03:48 GMT
So when level 140, u benefit these from skill: Dex +15 Hate rate -5% Crt rate +10% (by default) Crt rate +3.3% Crt dmg +20% Evasion +10% Evasion + 32 Aspd +58
So when level 180, u benefit these from skill: Dex +15 Hate rate -5% Crt rate +10% (by default) Crt rate +6.67% Crt dmg +22% Evasion +110% Evasion + 32 Aspd +58
So when level 200, u benefit these from skill: Dex +15 Hate rate -8% Crt rate +10% (by default) Crt rate +6.67% Crt dmg +22% Evasion +115% Evasion + 40 Aspd +73
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ZEF
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Post by ZEF on Mar 25, 2014 16:31:49 GMT
For weapon always choose those with crt rate +30 Throwing knife (good for evasion purpose) Xiphon (increase aspd, save more stat point from agi) Fuma (cut skill delay -5%, good when boss farm) Air slicer (nothing special now, but it's great in future up with nice skill delay)
Armor Thief garb 2nd up (good for evasion, magic evasion, save stat point from crt) Schwartz (great for dmg set) Excelis up (great for cutting down skill delay, good when boss farm)
Additional gear Wolf ear(great for cutting down skill delay, good when boss farm) Seperation arrow (great for cutting down skill delay, good when boss farm, increase atk +5%, but cut hp by 10%) Schmuck, horm helm
Special equipment Wisdom earring Rose ring slot Spike bangle
Crystal (xtal) Himmel (evasion+5% crt rate+10%) Boss colon xtal (atk+6%) Plazuda (atk +8% when equip in weapon) Sharpness3 (good with high crt build) Ganei (slot with special equipment)
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Mar 25, 2014 21:13:41 GMT
That's some nice sh*t you got there zef. Very informative.
Got couple of questions though. Wouldn't the recoil from separation arrows get you killed from bs dmg? And is bs dmg crit based for schwartz to be there?
Again nice job on the skill rundown.
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ZEF
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Post by ZEF on Mar 25, 2014 22:46:43 GMT
That's some nice sh*t you got there zef. Very informative. Got couple of questions though. Wouldn't the recoil from separation arrows get you killed from bs dmg? And is bs dmg crit based for schwartz to be there? Again nice job on the skill rundown. There is always good n bad when using separation arrow, if using Schwartz, it's better not using separation arrow. In party boss farm shouldn't be problem when u hav pally n bishop. But solo or mob farm is notadvisable. Assassin actually can use atleta ring in boss farm, as long as hav bishop take care the hp. Generally, in order for backstab hav good performance, we need to hav good tanker. It's hard to found a good tanker to understand how backstab work to hav effective boss farm. The normal dmg n crt dmg in will be added to backstab too. If ur build hav higher crt, u can use sharp3, if ur build are max int, max str these damager build, plazuda or bc these xtal will work better.
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Mar 26, 2014 1:32:17 GMT
Well I just thought that if you were dealing 50k 100k backstabs 1% of that everytime you do it would run down what hp you have (say 2k? 3khp?). You mighy have the bishop spam healing you as if you're a tanker especially if you're doing it per sec.
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Mar 26, 2014 1:50:26 GMT
Btw, I have always heard that backstabber without crt is a huge fail which is contrary to what you suggest (int str build). I've always believed this to be true because I assume that bs dmg is crt based plus the double dmg is also crt based. If bs dmg is crt based then going int str loses the crt dmg multiplier from crt which is alot of dmg from my experience with other crt toons.
I have a lvl 1 toon im currently gearing up and stocking books from freebox so I could jump him levels when I start playing him. he chanced up on a stefyl on stamps so I would be agi crt and reset to bs hopefully I get him to high lvl in a month so km trying to get as much info as I can.
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Hesed
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Post by Hesed on Mar 26, 2014 3:03:49 GMT
Now that the Eternity Maze is updated to level 40, if you can get your hands on Forgotten Knight xtal stats are CRT+25 CRT DMG-3%. I used to be full class assassin and followed the advance of Flarius very closely. I got impatient and restated too quickly and really struggled so I went ninja. The key to successful build is patience. Throw types are still delicate in Iruna, the decision must be made based on how you wish to play the game. If you have a primary toon that is strong use it to gain as much equip and xtals needed for new build. If Stelfy isn't an option for you, play to win INT-max with a throw weapon and use CRT gear from the onset like dunkelheit or sushiwa up for armor, black cat hood, and use the PIE xtals mentioned earlier. U need spina and patience. Level grinding is a must because your skills are your survival. Word of advice, if you want to solo don't be an assassin, you can do so much more in a party and really be a force multiplier. If you want to solo be an agi/crt ninja and don't gripe when its hard to find party. Closing thought. The more stat points you can save from the CRT category the better, because then you can add STR after INT and then add DEX subject to gear set. Flarius could probably speak better about how effective backstab spam is, but from my experience you do a lot of running around trying to gain the "blind spot" even in party set up. Anytime you can do 6k+ DMG in one hit you are gonna draw aggro regardless of class. If you are thinking of INT/CRT i would love to hear what you come up with.
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ZEF
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Post by ZEF on Mar 26, 2014 7:17:41 GMT
I m gear depends assassin, so gain as much of crt rate from gear like throwing weapon, Schwartz, t garb, himmel xtal, but balance of crt rate n dmg always difficult. Assassin definitely need to put in some crt stat point to reach the min accuracy n crt atk rate.
Assassin can make it to different game play, but no matter wat, assassin is not a good solo job. But the best part is, assassin can be 1 of the highest dmg in 1 hit among all 11 job (samurai can deal higher dmg with c eazy gear n build)
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Mar 26, 2014 7:50:56 GMT
I m gear depends assassin, so gain as much of crt rate from gear like throwing weapon, Schwartz, t garb, himmel xtal, but balance of crt rate n dmg always difficult. Assassin definitely need to put in some crt stat point to reach the min accuracy n crt atk rate. Assassin can make it to different game play, but no matter wat, assassin is not a good solo job. But the best part is, assassin can be 1 of the highest dmg in 1 hit among all 11 job (samurai can deal higher dmg with c eazy gear n build) I believe that pure backstabbers are the best DPS class which is why I plan to build one.
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