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Post by Nieminen! on Mar 7, 2014 3:59:59 GMT
Also I don't Get Mad if they heal me I just go on with the Game the only thing That makes me mad is when your a ninja and someone knows Like for me I don't have Ganie so I can't make more with out Ring..So they see I am trying to get clones and they just spam heal that's what makes me mad
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2014 7:16:53 GMT
Gotta give us some credit tho...who else r u gonna put to tank at bosses that reduce HP to 1
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Post by Prayerz on Mar 11, 2014 19:42:59 GMT
ninja that spams dance in party is in my top list of things to avoid. in leveling party, indeed they kills quick but then, no ninja ever keep remagics. depending on wizard all the time burdens a quake spammer hwiz. im an enchanter and these is what happen if i party a dance spammer ninja: *i need to MP them while i myself is a MP cruncher. *i need to MP the ninja & myself so i lost HP. *losing HP, i cant heal or i'll gain aggro. *not healing myself, i cant drain since ninja 1 hit mob with dance so its just a waste of MP. *if im dead by aggro or HP/MP depletion, ninja cant heal me so back to city i go. alone running. you guys must party bad ninjas, because as a ninja, i've never had a complaint of being a bad pt member. - I keep at least 5+ stacks og mp pots, restack when out. - always keep vaccs/antidote/cures - provide SUPPORT dps in pts. enchanters know what this is. i never tank without being asked too. - status ailments other than stun dont kill me, due to preparation. It's every players job to be prepared for any situation. dont bash a class due to you meeting a few bad ones. plenty of glads i can bash, but not a whole job.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2014 21:39:39 GMT
ninja that spams dance in party is in my top list of things to avoid. in leveling party, indeed they kills quick but then, no ninja ever keep remagics. depending on wizard all the time burdens a quake spammer hwiz. im an enchanter and these is what happen if i party a dance spammer ninja: *i need to MP them while i myself is a MP cruncher. *i need to MP the ninja & myself so i lost HP. *losing HP, i cant heal or i'll gain aggro. *not healing myself, i cant drain since ninja 1 hit mob with dance so its just a waste of MP. *if im dead by aggro or HP/MP depletion, ninja cant heal me so back to city i go. alone running. you guys must party bad ninjas, because as a ninja, i've never had a complaint of being a bad pt member. - I keep at least 5+ stacks og mp pots, restack when out. - always keep vaccs/antidote/cures - provide SUPPORT dps in pts. enchanters know what this is. i never tank without being asked too. - status ailments other than stun dont kill me, due to preparation. It's every players job to be prepared for any situation. dont bash a class due to you meeting a few bad ones. plenty of glads i can bash, but not a whole job. The thing about glads and every other class in iruna is that they do something for the benifit of a party. Snipers cure stuff Assassin cure stuff Gladiators could tank and give various buffs to the team Paladin can heal,tank and buff with warcry or any protection skills H.wiz can mp, cast reflect, heal Enchanter can cast buffs, mp, heal, tank Monk can heal, break barrier, Bless, Oncrease healing power and other buffs Bishop can heal, tank, revive, bless and other buffs Minstrel is a buff slave Samurai can deal Tons of damage, Counter stun, break defenses, tank All ninja can do is tank certain bosses and parlyze for 3 secs, but how many agi/crt ninja actually do that? Anyway the thread is aimed at that 99% of ninja that DONT do what you, william and the other pro ninja do. Ninja have the most noobs in the class compared to all other classes.
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Post by Prayerz on Mar 11, 2014 22:38:42 GMT
you guys must party bad ninjas, because as a ninja, i've never had a complaint of being a bad pt member. - I keep at least 5+ stacks og mp pots, restack when out. - always keep vaccs/antidote/cures - provide SUPPORT dps in pts. enchanters know what this is. i never tank without being asked too. - status ailments other than stun dont kill me, due to preparation. It's every players job to be prepared for any situation. dont bash a class due to you meeting a few bad ones. plenty of glads i can bash, but not a whole job. The thing about glads and every other class in iruna is that they do something for the benifit of a party. Snipers cure stuff Assassin cure stuff Gladiators could tank and give various buffs to the team Paladin can heal,tank and buff with warcry or any protection skills H.wiz can mp, cast reflect, heal Enchanter can cast buffs, mp, heal, tank Monk can heal, break barrier, Bless, Oncrease healing power and other buffs Bishop can heal, tank, revive, bless and other buffs Minstrel is a buff slave Samurai can deal Tons of damage, Counter stun, break defenses, tank All ninja can do is tank certain bosses and parlyze for 3 secs, but how many agi/crt ninja actually do that? Anyway the thread is aimed at that 99% of ninja that DONT do what you, william and the other pro ninja do. Ninja have the most noobs in the class compared to all other classes. So providing damage isn't assisting the party? Tanking bosses, btw, Ninja CAN tank most bosses if they're smart about it, isn't helpful to a party lacking a paladin? Just because a ninja doesn't buff you doesn't mean it's useless in party. Make a ninja, go the same route, DONT just buy all the gear and wait to 140 to class switch. Become a ninja at 100 like me, Dragir, and Famine did. Farm ALL the gear with the ninja like me, Dragir and Famine did, and make the class work. All it takes is dedication and hard work. Don't bash 99% or 100% of a job you never tried long enough, just because you met some undedicated noobs who don't know how to do it right. Come to JP, and watch real ninjas. Or watch the ninjas who actually studied before becoming one on english, like .Erza., William-, Joxer, and MANY others.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2014 23:32:00 GMT
The thing about glads and every other class in iruna is that they do something for the benifit of a party. Snipers cure stuff Assassin cure stuff Gladiators could tank and give various buffs to the team Paladin can heal,tank and buff with warcry or any protection skills H.wiz can mp, cast reflect, heal Enchanter can cast buffs, mp, heal, tank Monk can heal, break barrier, Bless, Oncrease healing power and other buffs Bishop can heal, tank, revive, bless and other buffs Minstrel is a buff slave Samurai can deal Tons of damage, Counter stun, break defenses, tank All ninja can do is tank certain bosses and parlyze for 3 secs, but how many agi/crt ninja actually do that? Anyway the thread is aimed at that 99% of ninja that DONT do what you, william and the other pro ninja do. Ninja have the most noobs in the class compared to all other classes. So providing damage isn't assisting the party? Tanking bosses, btw, Ninja CAN tank most bosses if they're smart about it, isn't helpful to a party lacking a paladin? Just because a ninja doesn't buff you doesn't mean it's useless in party. Make a ninja, go the same route, DONT just buy all the gear and wait to 140 to class switch. Become a ninja at 100 like me, Dragir, and Famine did. Farm ALL the gear with the ninja like me, Dragir and Famine did, and make the class work. All it takes is dedication and hard work. Don't bash 99% or 100% of a job you never tried long enough, just because you met some undedicated noobs who don't know how to do it right. Come to JP, and watch real ninjas. Or watch the ninjas who actually studied before becoming one on english, like .Erza., William-, Joxer, and MANY others. as mentioned, i have a lot of ninja friends and they are a bless in party. i dont find any difficulties being in party with Alex, Erza. they help a lot in fact. the problem is with almost 90% other ninjas that's being dominant in party. they are not 100% but most are ignorant of party member's difficulties. umberto quest, i was invited with 3 other ninjas. and they spam dance like i own infinite HP to recharge their MP hunger. of course you dont do that, Erza dont, Pride dont, Pornstar dont, Alex dont but it wont ripple without a cause.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2014 23:52:56 GMT
The thing about glads and every other class in iruna is that they do something for the benifit of a party. Snipers cure stuff Assassin cure stuff Gladiators could tank and give various buffs to the team Paladin can heal,tank and buff with warcry or any protection skills H.wiz can mp, cast reflect, heal Enchanter can cast buffs, mp, heal, tank Monk can heal, break barrier, Bless, Oncrease healing power and other buffs Bishop can heal, tank, revive, bless and other buffs Minstrel is a buff slave Samurai can deal Tons of damage, Counter stun, break defenses, tank All ninja can do is tank certain bosses and parlyze for 3 secs, but how many agi/crt ninja actually do that? Anyway the thread is aimed at that 99% of ninja that DONT do what you, william and the other pro ninja do. Ninja have the most noobs in the class compared to all other classes. So providing damage isn't assisting the party? Tanking bosses, btw, Ninja CAN tank most bosses if they're smart about it, isn't helpful to a party lacking a paladin? Just because a ninja doesn't buff you doesn't mean it's useless in party. Make a ninja, go the same route, DONT just buy all the gear and wait to 140 to class switch. Become a ninja at 100 like me, Dragir, and Famine did. Farm ALL the gear with the ninja like me, Dragir and Famine did, and make the class work. All it takes is dedication and hard work. Don't bash 99% or 100% of a job you never tried long enough, just because you met some undedicated noobs who don't know how to do it right. Come to JP, and watch real ninjas. Or watch the ninjas who actually studied before becoming one on english, like .Erza., William-, Joxer, and MANY others. The only thing to an agi/crt ninja is auto attack clone and dance. getting a ninja to 140 was enough. And for the Third time, Unlike pro ninja, the other 99% are noobs. Stop putting yourself in it, yes we lnow your a good ninja, stop jumping in front of a bullet not meant for you. All you did was prove my point even more.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 0:09:24 GMT
Can we please just drop this...its very childish if I may say...no point to state the obvious....all its gonna do is anger the people who worked hard...all u guys r doing is mocking us by stating what's already known...and if u r just saying this stuff...what's the point? To make the less wealthy ninjas feel bad?.... Maybe they just wanna play happily, but u had to gun them down by making this immature thread....that's all I got to say...now like I said before, be happy w.e class u have and keep the ignorant omments to yourself....we all have better things to do
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Post by Prayerz on Mar 12, 2014 0:12:16 GMT
So providing damage isn't assisting the party? Tanking bosses, btw, Ninja CAN tank most bosses if they're smart about it, isn't helpful to a party lacking a paladin? Just because a ninja doesn't buff you doesn't mean it's useless in party. Make a ninja, go the same route, DONT just buy all the gear and wait to 140 to class switch. Become a ninja at 100 like me, Dragir, and Famine did. Farm ALL the gear with the ninja like me, Dragir and Famine did, and make the class work. All it takes is dedication and hard work. Don't bash 99% or 100% of a job you never tried long enough, just because you met some undedicated noobs who don't know how to do it right. Come to JP, and watch real ninjas. Or watch the ninjas who actually studied before becoming one on english, like .Erza., William-, Joxer, and MANY others. The only thing to an agi/crt ninja is auto attack clone and dance. getting a ninja to 140 was enough. And for the Third time, Unlike pro ninja, the other 99% are noobs. Stop putting yourself in it, yes we lnow your a good ninja, stop jumping in front of a bullet not meant for you. All you did was prove my point even more. No, if you target one in the class, you target all. Those ninja aren't good because they aren't dedicated. But honestly, just as much as YOU or ME or ANYONE in this game needed help, they do too. YOU had help getting your stuff. And though you're well off and can get everything you need on your own now, you forget not everyone is so fortunate. It's hard getting ninja gear. And honestly, I'm fed up with all the bullshit english players thinking they're the PIE when they aren't. You're not good if you have to get the perfect party to farm. You're not good if you have to bash other players because they don't have the gear necessary to be good at their role like you do. You're not good if you don't offer assistance to players in need. When I was a ninja and still learning the game, my whole GUILD helped me to get to where I am now, as well as japanese players who spoke and understood limited english. I didn't even have more than 3 clones, but I was allowed to farm ganei and other crazy major bosses because those players know how to be effective with an balanced party or not. You guys are so focused on having such 'balanced' parties, the newer players get left out. I let players 50+ levels under me join ganei just because with 3 people, I can easily handle the boss effectively, and the last spot is more to give that player their chance to get what they need, whether it be that ganei xtal, or a few mil in their pocket. And if the party doesn't work out, well at least we tried, which is more that I can say for 90%+ of english server. syerin Tell them to stop, buy pots, or get a bishop then. If not. then they're just ignorant players who shouldn't be playing in the first place. But I dislike when people bash a class they never tried, especially koutetsu who's only bashing because ninja's show him up constantly.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 0:16:22 GMT
Couldn't have been said better
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 1:27:53 GMT
The only thing to an agi/crt ninja is auto attack clone and dance. getting a ninja to 140 was enough. And for the Third time, Unlike pro ninja, the other 99% are noobs. Stop putting yourself in it, yes we lnow your a good ninja, stop jumping in front of a bullet not meant for you. All you did was prove my point even more. No, if you target one in the class, you target all. Those ninja aren't good because they aren't dedicated. But honestly, just as much as YOU or ME or ANYONE in this game needed help, they do too. YOU had help getting your stuff. And though you're well off and can get everything you need on your own now, you forget not everyone is so fortunate. It's hard getting ninja gear. And honestly, I'm fed up with all the bullshit english players thinking they're the PIE when they aren't. You're not good if you have to get the perfect party to farm. You're not good if you have to bash other players because they don't have the gear necessary to be good at their role like you do. You're not good if you don't offer assistance to players in need. When I was a ninja and still learning the game, my whole GUILD helped me to get to where I am now, as well as japanese players who spoke and understood limited english. I didn't even have more than 3 clones, but I was allowed to farm ganei and other crazy major bosses because those players know how to be effective with an balanced party or not. You guys are so focused on having such 'balanced' parties, the newer players get left out. I let players 50+ levels under me join ganei just because with 3 people, I can easily handle the boss effectively, and the last spot is more to give that player their chance to get what they need, whether it be that ganei xtal, or a few mil in their pocket. And if the party doesn't work out, well at least we tried, which is more that I can say for 90%+ of english server. syerin Tell them to stop, buy pots, or get a bishop then. If not. then they're just ignorant players who shouldn't be playing in the first place. But I dislike when people bash a class they never tried, especially koutetsu who's only bashing because ninja's show him up constantly. Never said anything about jp, but of i have to say the oblivious, im talking about the english ninja. And im standing firm about saying that most ninja in english are crap. If you want to throw yourself in the crap category, then help yourself, not my problem. I gave you enough props, any offense to you is what you want. its also not even all about money, a lot of ninja just mq to 100, find out that they become ninja, and thinking about some naruto type ish, change to ninja and know nothing about the class and then they complain. I literally had a guy in my guild that freshly turned ninja to ask where his Kekegengoku or whatever the special eyes are called. Ignorance of your own class is no excuse to get offended. Just learn your class and your uses. (not targeted at pro ninja >_<) I made a high wizard without ever playing the wizard class before but it turned out pretty good just because i knew what to expect and i knew how it worked. I even found out a lot about it and made some personal opinions on it. The point in me saying that is, At the very least, research your class.
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Post by Prayerz on Mar 12, 2014 1:40:19 GMT
No, if you target one in the class, you target all. Those ninja aren't good because they aren't dedicated. But honestly, just as much as YOU or ME or ANYONE in this game needed help, they do too. YOU had help getting your stuff. And though you're well off and can get everything you need on your own now, you forget not everyone is so fortunate. It's hard getting ninja gear. And honestly, I'm fed up with all the bullshit english players thinking they're the PIE when they aren't. You're not good if you have to get the perfect party to farm. You're not good if you have to bash other players because they don't have the gear necessary to be good at their role like you do. You're not good if you don't offer assistance to players in need. When I was a ninja and still learning the game, my whole GUILD helped me to get to where I am now, as well as japanese players who spoke and understood limited english. I didn't even have more than 3 clones, but I was allowed to farm ganei and other crazy major bosses because those players know how to be effective with an balanced party or not. You guys are so focused on having such 'balanced' parties, the newer players get left out. I let players 50+ levels under me join ganei just because with 3 people, I can easily handle the boss effectively, and the last spot is more to give that player their chance to get what they need, whether it be that ganei xtal, or a few mil in their pocket. And if the party doesn't work out, well at least we tried, which is more that I can say for 90%+ of english server. syerin Tell them to stop, buy pots, or get a bishop then. If not. then they're just ignorant players who shouldn't be playing in the first place. But I dislike when people bash a class they never tried, especially koutetsu who's only bashing because ninja's show him up constantly. Never said anything about jp, but of i have to say the oblivious, im talking about the english ninja. And im standing firm about saying that most ninja in english are crap. If you want to throw yourself in the crap category, then help yourself, not my problem. I gave you enough props, any offense to you is what you want. its also not even all about money, a lot of ninja just mq to 100, find out that they become ninja, and thinking about some naruto type ish, change to ninja and know nothing about the class and then they complain. I literally had a guy in my guild that freshly turned ninja to ask where his Kekegengoku or whatever the special eyes are called. Ignorance of your own class is no excuse to get offended. Just learn your class and your uses. (not targeted at pro ninja >_<) I made a high wizard without ever playing the wizard class before but it turned out pretty good just because i knew what to expect and i knew how it worked. I even found out a lot about it and made some personal opinions on it. The point in me saying that is, At the very least, research your class. I said negligence was a reason why they failed. But I was negligent of my class also. I didn't know about 9 clones or my weaknesses. And yes you said english, but on jp it's the same thing. Server doesn't matter. It's the fact that on english, I rarely find genuinely helpful players. I always see players complaining about noobs. I understand it gets tiring helping with mq, but don't bar people from farms just because they provide no help in you're already overpowered speed killing party. There's no such thing as a pro ninja. We just worked hard. We had help. It all contributed to where we are with our ninjas today.
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Mar 12, 2014 1:59:01 GMT
It's all about noobs and vets really. A vet will make an unbalanced party work and a noob will make a balanced party fail. Mainly because they know what a boss can do and what each of the party members require to make effective as well as their own roles.
I've partied with vets and regardless of their class, they are awesome. They make boss grinds look like child's play because they are so automatic.
I've also seen: bishops that do DPS when they are required to heal (yeah cut the grind by 3 seconds worth of DPS and risk the chance of the tank and everyone dying, where rebuff and recover takes about 30seconds) wizards that do not mp heal (how hard is it to understand that no mp bishop, no heal, tank die, all die) hunters do not buff glad/pally warcry in front of their ninja etc.
But then again, there are people who are just haters. A wizard once partied when I was sniper and asked me to mp myself. I said ok. But then he explained why by complaining that he is doing lot of things (mp bishop, mp himself, mp me, mp ninja, cast paralyze, revive,etc.) then he started bashing that I am a mp hog, when I never asked him to mp me. We were doing fine before he came in because I have 3 stacks treat cookies on my bag, 40+ more on my mail, around 50 more in my alt, and bunch of binals and salts on my other alts. I could supply him and the whole party with mp pots for the entire grind and not worry so why hate?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2014 2:16:35 GMT
My reason behind posting this thread: 1. Over population 2. Special class + 1, meanwhile full job -1 3. Nub ninja : if u dont hav enuf spina to get full set eq...u can still dodge these mob with agi...if u can do at knight,hunter & cleric class...why nt at special job?
*the moment i nid farm n searched whole rokoko for sniper class...none sniper in rokoko, lmao XD"
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Post by Prayerz on Mar 12, 2014 2:29:46 GMT
My reason behind posting this thread: 1. Over population 2. Special class + 1, meanwhile full job -1 3. Nub ninja : if u dont hav enuf spina to get full set eq...u can still dodge these mob with agi...if u can do at knight,hunter & cleric class...why nt at special job? *the moment i nid farm n searched whole rokoko for sniper class...none sniper in rokoko, lmao XD" So explain how a special class isn't meanwhile? Because every class has its uses. You're upset because it overpowers you? Hm.
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