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Post by Ărchii on Dec 5, 2014 18:26:08 GMT
hey guys i was thinking abt how cover weakness of a ninja in only tanking purpose so as u guys know stun, blind and poison are most reason of dying in a party so i was thinking of a full tank build for my ninja base on VIT or INT or both there is some options i was thinking i will b very happy if u have any idea about them , just i want mention i want do this after lvl 180 so i will have enuf stat point for it (like 550 point)
Special Sword user - maxVIT>Agi(max aspd)>maxDex>maxAgi>Str (*Special Sword* STR +1, VIT +2, DEX +1.5, CRT -1) Special Bow user - maxAgi(aspd)>maxCrt>maxAgi>maxVit>maxInt(*Special Bow* INT -1, VIT -1, AGI +2.5, CRT +1) now more option for special equipment , cant doc easily but hell they can tank much easier Magic Sword user - maxInt>maxAgi(aspd)>maxVit>maxDex>maxAgi(*Magic Sword* INT +2.5 DEX +1) ty for reading this 
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Post by Jeancarlo on Dec 5, 2014 18:39:47 GMT
hey guys i was thinking abt how cover weakness of a ninja in only tanking purpose so as u guys know stun, blind and poison are most reason of dying in a party so i was thinking of a full tank build for my ninja base on VIT or INT or both there is some options i was thinking i will b very happy if u have any idea about them , just i want mention i want do this after lvl 180 so i will have enuf stat point for it (like 550 point)
Special Sword user - maxVIT>Agi(max aspd)>maxDex>maxAgi>Str (*Special Sword* STR +1, VIT +2, DEX +1.5, CRT -1) Special Bow user - maxAgi(aspd)>maxCrt>maxAgi>maxVit>maxInt(*Special Bow* INT -1, VIT -1, AGI +2.5, CRT +1) now more option for special equipment , cant doc easily but hell they can tank much easier Magic Sword user - maxInt>maxAgi(aspd)>maxVit>maxDex>maxAgi(*Magic Sword* INT +2.5 DEX +1) ty for reading this Hmmm any of these would be an interesting build but here's some thoughts... Special Sword build - how will you hold aggro? Nin don't have provoke or any other aggro skills so your aggro is dependent on your Dmg, and this build will suck on that dept. No crt to speak of, and your DoC (not max clones) will be very low. Spc Bow - why Int? I assume the idea is to Not rely on clones but you can still use Bushin for those 3 clones; it would be interesting to see how much HP you can have since Nin doesn't have any HP passive (do we?) Except for the INT part, this build basically sacrifices DEX (w Thimble) for VIT, and is other wise a 'normal' Spc Bow Nin build. Magic Sword - wouldn't a Throw build be better? Still Max Int>DEX. You lose out on .5 dmg from INT (Mgc srd gets 2.5 to Throw's 2) but Nin does have the passive bonus for Throw which will most likely be greater than the lost .5 atk per int. 3rd stat would be VIT for your HP instead of Str (for more dmg). IMO this, of these 3, would be my choice. You have the dmg capability of a full nin (including MAGIC which most of us "fake nins" lack!), and survivability with your high HP and fast casting of bunshin for your 3 clones. |
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Post by Ărchii on Dec 6, 2014 13:53:32 GMT
Hmmm any of these would be an interesting build but here's some thoughts... Special Sword build - how will you hold aggro? Nin don't have provoke or any other aggro skills so your aggro is dependent on your Dmg, and this build will suck on that dept. No crt to speak of, and your DoC (not max clones) will be very low. Spc Bow - why Int? I assume the idea is to Not rely on clones but you can still use Bushin for those 3 clones; it would be interesting to see how much HP you can have since Nin doesn't have any HP passive (do we?) Except for the INT part, this build basically sacrifices DEX (w Thimble) for VIT, and is other wise a 'normal' Spc Bow Nin build. Magic Sword - wouldn't a Throw build be better? Still Max Int>DEX. You lose out on .5 dmg from INT (Mgc srd gets 2.5 to Throw's 2) but Nin does have the passive bonus for Throw which will most likely be greater than the lost .5 atk per int. 3rd stat would be VIT for your HP instead of Str (for more dmg). IMO this, of these 3, would be my choice. You have the dmg capability of a full nin (including MAGIC which most of us "fake nins" lack!), and survivability with your high HP and fast casting of bunshin for your 3 clones. first ty for the comment about special sword build you are right provoke is a problem but can b solve with full provoke ability? about spc bow i didnt said add int x) its as uu said like regular ninja bow user but HP is the survive item not the cones which i really want try this cuz it can have good atk but weak against magic which can cover with those 3 clone most of times and about magic sword u r right and as i never create a throwing class , this build can use sword and throwing together hope other ppl comment on this cuz i want use my last stefly in best result xD ty again |
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Post by Jeancarlo on Dec 6, 2014 16:55:26 GMT
You're welcome, and good luck!! You certainly intrigued me enough to consider a magic nin lol
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Post by Roxzen on Dec 7, 2014 8:49:09 GMT
This might be what the m.sword build looks like
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Post by ryo on Dec 7, 2014 21:43:18 GMT
You're welcome, and good luck!! You certainly intrigued me enough to consider a magic nin lol Same for me,if only i had one more stefly but boxes are depressing as always (¡.¡) |
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Post by Ărchii on Dec 8, 2014 1:42:07 GMT
ok at lvl 161 i can have like 11k hp which can make better with xtals so i can survive from 1 hard hit i guess so its like a clone without vanishing , idk if this gonna work u guys have any suggestion about equips and xtals? and how should i distribute my 490 stat points? btw i can have like 30 more point with finishing my mq
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Dec 8, 2014 1:50:41 GMT
hey guys i was thinking abt how cover weakness of a ninja in only tanking purpose so as u guys know stun, blind and poison are most reason of dying in a party so i was thinking of a full tank build for my ninja base on VIT or INT or both there is some options i was thinking i will b very happy if u have any idea about them , just i want mention i want do this after lvl 180 so i will have enuf stat point for it (like 550 point)
Special Sword user - maxVIT>Agi(max aspd)>maxDex>maxAgi>Str (*Special Sword* STR +1, VIT +2, DEX +1.5, CRT -1) Special Bow user - maxAgi(aspd)>maxCrt>maxAgi>maxVit>maxInt(*Special Bow* INT -1, VIT -1, AGI +2.5, CRT +1) now more option for special equipment , cant doc easily but hell they can tank much easier Magic Sword user - maxInt>maxAgi(aspd)>maxVit>maxDex>maxAgi(*Magic Sword* INT +2.5 DEX +1) ty for reading this Per JP wiki, a ninja can be built INT>DEX>VITorAGI so having VIT can be a logical build. You just need to understand the tradeoffs. My concern on no-evasion+clones is that you will need to keep the clones up regularly. Regular AGI based ninjas can preserve their clones longer because they evade normal attacks and the clones work where they matter most: magic and criticals. With no evasion you might have to keep cloning, this would mean that you will rely on your autoattack more than you will be doing skill spam (because you will mostly be spamming clones). It sounds bad because you don't have ASPD to rely on autoattack too. You cannot entirely rely on HP without clones because you don't have mitigation skills. Paladins have physical and magic resistance in their passive skills which allows them to mitigate damage, you don't have this, so your HP might not be able to hold very long against strong attacks. |
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Post by Ărchii on Dec 8, 2014 2:02:33 GMT
hey guys i was thinking abt how cover weakness of a ninja in only tanking purpose so as u guys know stun, blind and poison are most reason of dying in a party so i was thinking of a full tank build for my ninja base on VIT or INT or both there is some options i was thinking i will b very happy if u have any idea about them , just i want mention i want do this after lvl 180 so i will have enuf stat point for it (like 550 point)
Special Sword user - maxVIT>Agi(max aspd)>maxDex>maxAgi>Str (*Special Sword* STR +1, VIT +2, DEX +1.5, CRT -1) Special Bow user - maxAgi(aspd)>maxCrt>maxAgi>maxVit>maxInt(*Special Bow* INT -1, VIT -1, AGI +2.5, CRT +1) now more option for special equipment , cant doc easily but hell they can tank much easier Magic Sword user - maxInt>maxAgi(aspd)>maxVit>maxDex>maxAgi(*Magic Sword* INT +2.5 DEX +1) ty for reading this Per JP wiki, a ninja can be built INT>DEX>VITorAGI so having VIT can be a logical build. You just need to understand the tradeoffs. My concern on no-evasion+clones is that you will need to keep the clones up regularly. Regular AGI based ninjas can preserve their clones longer because they evade normal attacks and the clones work where they matter most: magic and criticals. With no evasion you might have to keep cloning, this would mean that you will rely on your autoattack more than you will be doing skill spam (because you will mostly be spamming clones). It sounds bad because you don't have ASPD to rely on autoattack too. You cannot entirely rely on HP without clones because you don't have mitigation skills. Paladins have physical and magic resistance in their passive skills which allows them to mitigate damage, you don't have this, so your HP might not be able to hold very long against strong attacks. yea i guess u r right about throwing build but what u think of the vit special bow user? do u think they can b good? we can have good dmg good eva and good survival all in a pack |
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Dec 9, 2014 2:09:07 GMT
Per JP wiki, a ninja can be built INT>DEX>VITorAGI so having VIT can be a logical build. You just need to understand the tradeoffs. My concern on no-evasion+clones is that you will need to keep the clones up regularly. Regular AGI based ninjas can preserve their clones longer because they evade normal attacks and the clones work where they matter most: magic and criticals. With no evasion you might have to keep cloning, this would mean that you will rely on your autoattack more than you will be doing skill spam (because you will mostly be spamming clones). It sounds bad because you don't have ASPD to rely on autoattack too. You cannot entirely rely on HP without clones because you don't have mitigation skills. Paladins have physical and magic resistance in their passive skills which allows them to mitigate damage, you don't have this, so your HP might not be able to hold very long against strong attacks. yea i guess u r right about throwing build but what u think of the vit special bow user? do u think they can b good? we can have good dmg good eva and good survival all in a pack I don't think you can gain much from VIT, except for more HP, which I think you can achieve via gears (e.g. seahorse bangle, HP abilities, etc. I think you can hit 10k to 15k HP easily). VIT does add DEF and MDEF but these stats are subtracted from damage taken and is relatively small compared to where you will want to apply the build, which is by boss fights. Going VIT means you have less DPS than normal ninjas, which results in you grinding slower than normal ninjas. Longer fights also are more pots intensive and can also be dangerous especially if you don't know what you are doing. Also, low ATK can be frustrating if you can't penetrate through the boss' DEF barrier, so you might find that other ninjas can solo the boss but you couldn't. I would suggest you try out wearing HP gear on your ninja to get a feel of what you are trying to achieve. You might feel you need more VIT to accommodate evasion gear and maintain good HP to enhance survivability or for some other reason, but at least you have simulated and tested and understood your objective well before you make the leap to a good build. |
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Post by tookoozv on Dec 10, 2014 6:20:38 GMT
yea i guess u r right about throwing build but what u think of the vit special bow user? do u think they can b good? we can have good dmg good eva and good survival all in a pack I don't think you can gain much from VIT, except for more HP, which I think you can achieve via gears (e.g. seahorse bangle, HP abilities, etc. I think you can hit 10k to 15k HP easily). VIT does add DEF and MDEF but these stats are subtracted from damage taken and is relatively small compared to where you will want to apply the build, which is by boss fights. Going VIT means you have less DPS than normal ninjas, which results in you grinding slower than normal ninjas. Longer fights also are more pots intensive and can also be dangerous especially if you don't know what you are doing. Also, low ATK can be frustrating if you can't penetrate through the boss' DEF barrier, so you might find that other ninjas can solo the boss but you couldn't. I would suggest you try out wearing HP gear on your ninja to get a feel of what you are trying to achieve. You might feel you need more VIT to accommodate evasion gear and maintain good HP to enhance survivability or for some other reason, but at least you have simulated and tested and understood your objective well before you make the leap to a good build. +3pts |
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Post by Ărchii on Dec 10, 2014 11:43:15 GMT
ok im done with this idea xD now i think will go for magic ninja INT/DEX/VIT or CRT
ty for helping me out ^^
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Post by E◇Lusion on Dec 11, 2014 18:42:13 GMT
ok im done with this idea xD now i think will go for magic ninja INT/DEX/VIT or CRT ty for helping me out ^^ Either both works tbh, 3rd stat=vit for survival, crit for dmg, I went for crit XD even so interesting ideas tho, but explanations are covered as per above posts n.n |
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