mokie
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Post by mokie on Nov 1, 2014 4:00:27 GMT
Hi guys
I'm newbie about sam. I decided to change my assassin to be a samurai after I re-status (I don't like to play ninja). Also, I read some information about sam. I plan to be Vit sam with sp. sword, but I hesitate about my 2nd stat that it should be Dex or Agi, so I need more information to decide my mind.
My question is;
How long for delay will each skill be if I have max DEX?
Each skill for me means every skill.
Thank you
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Post by •Azure• on Nov 2, 2014 23:15:00 GMT
Hi guys I'm newbie about sam. I decided to change my assassin to be a samurai after I re-status (I don't like to play ninja). Also, I read some information about sam. I plan to be Vit sam with sp. sword, but I hesitate about my 2nd stat that it should be Dex or Agi, so I need more information to decide my mind. My question is; How long for delay will each skill be if I have max DEX?Each skill for me means every skill. Thank you I'm a special sword samu and my build is vit/Dex/agl  Dex I wanna think lowers delay but the problem with my build is I have to spend tons on remagic l since my max mp is only 500 0.0 |
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Post by mokie on Nov 3, 2014 18:41:47 GMT
Hi guys I'm newbie about sam. I decided to change my assassin to be a samurai after I re-status (I don't like to play ninja). Also, I read some information about sam. I plan to be Vit sam with sp. sword, but I hesitate about my 2nd stat that it should be Dex or Agi, so I need more information to decide my mind. My question is; How long for delay will each skill be if I have max DEX?Each skill for me means every skill. Thank you I'm a special sword samu and my build is vit/Dex/agl Dex I wanna think lowers delay but the problem with my build is I have to spend tons on remagic l since my max mp is only 500 0.0 Thank you for the response. I feel that nobody answers me. Do you mind if I ask you more questions due to your experiences? Is the reducing delay wearing important for samurai if I have max DEX? If yes, how many sec do we need more from equipment for minimizing skill delay for max DEX? |
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Post by •Azure• on Nov 4, 2014 15:33:19 GMT
I'm a special sword samu and my build is vit/Dex/agl Dex I wanna think lowers delay but the problem with my build is I have to spend tons on remagic l since my max mp is only 500 0.0 Thank you for the response. I feel that nobody answers me. Do you mind if I ask you more questions due to your experiences? Is the reducing delay wearing important for samurai if I have max DEX? If yes, how many sec do we need more from equipment for minimizing skill delay for max DEX? Well I'm not a pro samu but clearly u want skill delay armor so I would say he exelis up if u want skill delay - 1.5sec if not mistaken but if u want more power and a lil skill delay there is ultimi and I'm not good with gear xD but those 2 are te main thing :3 |
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Post by •Azure• on Nov 5, 2014 16:30:04 GMT
Well I'm not a pro samu but clearly u want skill delay armor so I would say he exelis up if u want skill delay - 1.5sec if not mistaken but if u want more power and a lil skill delay there is ultimi and I'm not good with gear xD but those 2 are te main thing :3 exe up has -1sec skill delay, ultimi has -0.5sec. Then there's also Izuminokami (special sword), it has -1sec delay (and its super expensive q.q). As for add gear, i would say barbarotita, it has -0.5sec. There's also special equip called wisdom ring or something (has -0.5sec skill delay), but i wouldnt recommend it, because it will lower ur dps, since u cant use knight gauntlet. And max DEX gives u -1sec skill delay lel Yup u got it ur best bet would get the bettered sword and up it in minaula battered sword up is lzuminokami if I'm not mistaken u can but it for 1.5-3m if I'm not mistaken that how muh it use to cost an ur talking about the wisdom earrings NEVER underestimate te mq items they migjt just save ur life |
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Post by dadsgone on Nov 7, 2014 6:25:58 GMT
Well I'm not a pro samu but clearly u want skill delay armor so I would say he exelis up if u want skill delay - 1.5sec if not mistaken but if u want more power and a lil skill delay there is ultimi and I'm not good with gear xD but those 2 are te main thing :3 exe up has -1sec skill delay, ultimi has -0.5sec. Then there's also Izuminokami (special sword), it has -1sec delay (and its super expensive q.q). As for add gear, i would say barbarotita, it has -0.5sec. There's also special equip called wisdom ring or something (has -0.5sec skill delay), but i wouldnt recommend it, because it will lower ur dps, since u cant use knight gauntlet. And max DEX gives u -1sec skill delay lel Izuminokami doesn't have skill delay. The stat for Izumino is (Str+10, Atk+5%, MaxHP+10%, Critical rate -10%, Special Sword). The main reason why it's so expensive is that izumino is from high level production. Later, when production cap reaches 145, another special sword that actually gives skill delay will release. Btw I use both wound transer and izuminokami. transer for tanking and izumino for dps. |
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Post by Anonymous on Nov 11, 2014 2:09:55 GMT
Ehm... skill delay... i suppose u mean to spam issen, if yes.. then just use masamune+9 S it has an autoskill that is issen, use Absolute Clarity to raise ur luck then just do normal atk and masamune will do the autoskill and if u already have supernatural use it then do finishing stroke, btw my stat atm is : STR 201 VIT 171 n the rest will be AGI for eva n ATK+1 Weapon : Masamune+9 S Kaiser II
Armor : Shiro UP+9 Minenaga
Add : Onigawara+9 S Cerberus / Blancheur+9 S Mino atm but wanna switch it to ...( still cant decided )
Spec : Knight Gaunlet NS ( still cant get the S  ) if i got the S i will put Beelzenoid
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Post by dadsgone on Nov 11, 2014 19:46:22 GMT
Ehm... skill delay... i suppose u mean to spam issen, if yes.. then just use masamune+9 S it has an autoskill that is issen, use Absolute Clarity to raise ur luck then just do normal atk and masamune will do the autoskill and if u already have supernatural use it then do finishing stroke, btw my stat atm is : STR 201 VIT 171 n the rest will be AGI for eva n ATK+1 Weapon : Masamune+9 S Kaiser II
Armor : Shiro UP+9 Minenaga
Add : Onigawara+9 S Cerberus / Blancheur+9 S Mino atm but wanna switch it to ...( still cant decided )
Spec : Knight Gaunlet NS ( still cant get the S ) if i got the S i will put Beelzenoid
Samurai need dex not only for spam issen but for all the skills. Without dex, the skill delay will be too long for each skills. Especially when u r tanking, u have to be able to spam tsubamegaeshi and issen together (later u also need dex for mental clarity). And even enchanter who has autoskill launch% buff needs full aspd to make use of their autoskills. Since samurai has no autoskill launch+% buff and only can have 80aspd with sword no matter how much agi u put in, your chance of landing issen autoskill would be extremely low. And luck buff (abs clarity) raises ur crt rate not autoskill rate. So while vit/dex/agi can spam 10 issen, ur issen autoskill will only go off 2-3 times. And dex also adds ATK with sword and special sword along with faster skill delay and casting time, so str would be the last stat u wanna put stat point into. |
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Post by Anonymous on Nov 12, 2014 0:50:56 GMT
Ehm... skill delay... i suppose u mean to spam issen, if yes.. then just use masamune+9 S it has an autoskill that is issen, use Absolute Clarity to raise ur luck then just do normal atk and masamune will do the autoskill and if u already have supernatural use it then do finishing stroke, btw my stat atm is : STR 201 VIT 171 n the rest will be AGI for eva n ATK+1 Weapon : Masamune+9 S Kaiser II
Armor : Shiro UP+9 Minenaga
Add : Onigawara+9 S Cerberus / Blancheur+9 S Mino atm but wanna switch it to ...( still cant decided )
Spec : Knight Gaunlet NS ( still cant get the S ) if i got the S i will put Beelzenoid
Samurai need dex not only for spam issen but for all the skills. Without dex, the skill delay will be too long for each skills. Especially when u r tanking, u have to be able to spam tsubamegaeshi and issen together (later u also need dex for mental clarity). And even enchanter who has autoskill launch% buff needs full aspd to make use of their autoskills. Since samurai has no autoskill launch+% buff and only can have 80aspd with sword no matter how much agi u put in, your chance of landing issen autoskill would be extremely low. And luck buff (abs clarity) raises ur crt rate not autoskill rate. So while vit/dex/agi can spam 10 issen, ur issen autoskill will only go off 2-3 times. And dex also adds ATK with sword and special sword along with faster skill delay and casting time, so str would be the last stat u wanna put stat point into. I know Sammy stuck at ASPD 80, the reason i put AGI is for ATK+1 n Eva so i can dodge enemies atk, well i use normal sword so STR give +3 while DEX give +2 n yes for faster spaming skill, but if no INT build sammy got low MP, so .. in my opinion spaming skill like tsubamegaesi will drain out my MP faster especially when dealing with mobs that use magic, n yes ur right and i thank you for ur input i put some DEX in my build now n now my skill delay is 0.5 sec. well i new to this sammy build so maybe i mess with my build, can u give me some input for DPS and TANK sammy build, thank you so much for ur input  |
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Post by dadsgone on Nov 12, 2014 4:49:46 GMT
Samurai need dex not only for spam issen but for all the skills. Without dex, the skill delay will be too long for each skills. Especially when u r tanking, u have to be able to spam tsubamegaeshi and issen together (later u also need dex for mental clarity). And even enchanter who has autoskill launch% buff needs full aspd to make use of their autoskills. Since samurai has no autoskill launch+% buff and only can have 80aspd with sword no matter how much agi u put in, your chance of landing issen autoskill would be extremely low. And luck buff (abs clarity) raises ur crt rate not autoskill rate. So while vit/dex/agi can spam 10 issen, ur issen autoskill will only go off 2-3 times. And dex also adds ATK with sword and special sword along with faster skill delay and casting time, so str would be the last stat u wanna put stat point into. I know Sammy stuck at ASPD 80, the reason i put AGI is for ATK+1 n Eva so i can dodge enemies atk, well i use normal sword so STR give +3 while DEX give +2 n yes for faster spaming skill, but if no INT build sammy got low MP, so .. in my opinion spaming skill like tsubamegaesi will drain out my MP faster especially when dealing with mobs that use magic, n yes ur right and i thank you for ur input i put some DEX in my build now n now my skill delay is 0.5 sec. well i new to this sammy build so maybe i mess with my build, can u give me some input for DPS and TANK sammy build, thank you so much for ur input Well Iknow there may be many builds out there tats better than mine. But here ill tell u my build. First Youve mentioned how spam skill wud drain out mp so fast. Well, when Im farmig with party, hwiz always mp me whenever I need, so theres no worry. But when im going solo, I use edel hood, this thing raises MDEF based on ur vit so u can have around 400~500 MDEF with FULL VIT and no INT. Plus, edel hood raises ur max mp, when i equipped it, my Maxmp went up from 600 to 1800. So with edel hood, u can have decent max mp. Secondly, you said u have kaiser xtal, but samurai doesnt need matk. So i recommend you change ur kaiser to Oritius xtal. Third, I use Special Sword (Vit/Dex/Agi build). As u prolly know alrdy, special sword raises +2.5 atk for each VIT, +2 atk for each DEX, and +1 atk for each AGI. So if u maxed ur VIT instead of putting 201 pts on STR, you wud have higher Maxhp,Def,and Atk. Fourth, some Special Swords give maxhp+%. So u can tank better. Wound Transer gives maxhp+15% and Def up by DEX so its rlly gud for tanking. Pallies use this sword but samurai use them too. Izuminokami gives maxhp+10% and atk+5% so this one is gud too. Fifth, if you wanna change ur build to this build, u wud definitely need skill delay -sec becuz Max DEX just isnt enuf. Most samurais use Exelis up for skill delay -1sec and barbarotita for skill delay -0.5sec. |
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Nov 12, 2014 7:37:05 GMT
Third, I use Special Sword (Vit/Dex/Agi build). As u prolly know alrdy, special sword raises +2.5 atk for each VIT, +2 atk for each DEX, and +1 atk for each AGI. So if u maxed ur VIT instead of putting 201 pts on STR, you wud have higher Maxhp,Def,and Atk. Fourth, some Special Swords give maxhp+%. So u can tank better. Wound Transer gives maxhp+15% and Def up by DEX so its rlly gud for tanking. Pallies use this sword but samurai use them too. Izuminokami gives maxhp+10% and atk+5% so this one is gud too. Just would like to correct that Special Sword grants +2 ATK per VIT +1.5 ATK per DEX +1 ATK per STR I heard samurais get +1ATK per AGI with swords so it may boil down to having AGI or STR as 3rd Stat where AGI grants some evasion (may help abit in tanking, but not so much vs. high level bosses unless you plan to wear evasion gear) and STR makes it possible to use a normal sword (+3ATK STR, +1ATK DEX). |
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Post by Anonymous on Nov 12, 2014 11:46:58 GMT
Third, I use Special Sword (Vit/Dex/Agi build). As u prolly know alrdy, special sword raises +2.5 atk for each VIT, +2 atk for each DEX, and +1 atk for each AGI. So if u maxed ur VIT instead of putting 201 pts on STR, you wud have higher Maxhp,Def,and Atk. Fourth, some Special Swords give maxhp+%. So u can tank better. Wound Transer gives maxhp+15% and Def up by DEX so its rlly gud for tanking. Pallies use this sword but samurai use them too. Izuminokami gives maxhp+10% and atk+5% so this one is gud too. Just would like to correct that Special Sword grants +2 ATK per VIT +1.5 ATK per DEX +1 ATK per STR I heard samurais get +1ATK per AGI with swords so it may boil down to having AGI or STR as 3rd Stat where AGI grants some evasion (may help abit in tanking, but not so much vs. high level bosses unless you plan to wear evasion gear) and STR makes it possible to use a normal sword (+3ATK STR, +1ATK DEX). well i use normal sword like masamune n r.tengu2 never use spec sword, n mostly i use masamune coz its autoskill give me extra atk around 8k-16k, n yes AGI give +1 ATK n Eva as bonus, u can only see it once u press confirm button, so... for soloing which is better stat to cont AGI or DEX ?? thx |
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Post by Anonymous on Nov 12, 2014 12:12:48 GMT
I know Sammy stuck at ASPD 80, the reason i put AGI is for ATK+1 n Eva so i can dodge enemies atk, well i use normal sword so STR give +3 while DEX give +2 n yes for faster spaming skill, but if no INT build sammy got low MP, so .. in my opinion spaming skill like tsubamegaesi will drain out my MP faster especially when dealing with mobs that use magic, n yes ur right and i thank you for ur input i put some DEX in my build now n now my skill delay is 0.5 sec. well i new to this sammy build so maybe i mess with my build, can u give me some input for DPS and TANK sammy build, thank you so much for ur input Well Iknow there may be many builds out there tats better than mine. But here ill tell u my build. First Youve mentioned how spam skill wud drain out mp so fast. Well, when Im farmig with party, hwiz always mp me whenever I need, so theres no worry. But when im going solo, I use edel hood, this thing raises MDEF based on ur vit so u can have around 400~500 MDEF with FULL VIT and no INT. Plus, edel hood raises ur max mp, when i equipped it, my Maxmp went up from 600 to 1800. So with edel hood, u can have decent max mp. Secondly, you said u have kaiser xtal, but samurai doesnt need matk. So i recommend you change ur kaiser to Oritius xtal. Third, I use Special Sword (Vit/Dex/Agi build). As u prolly know alrdy, special sword raises +2.5 atk for each VIT, +2 atk for each DEX, and +1 atk for each AGI. So if u maxed ur VIT instead of putting 201 pts on STR, you wud have higher Maxhp,Def,and Atk. Fourth, some Special Swords give maxhp+%. So u can tank better. Wound Transer gives maxhp+15% and Def up by DEX so its rlly gud for tanking. Pallies use this sword but samurai use them too. Izuminokami gives maxhp+10% and atk+5% so this one is gud too. Fifth, if you wanna change ur build to this build, u wud definitely need skill delay -sec becuz Max DEX just isnt enuf. Most samurais use Exelis up for skill delay -1sec and barbarotita for skill delay -0.5sec. Thank You so much for ur input, but i never have any party either farm or grind ( not that i dont want to but i think they prefer ninja or pally rather then sammy that what i assume when they ask for my job but not invited me in the end ) so i always solo, about edel hood how much is it cost ?? n it was Kaiser 2 xtal ( ATK/MATK+5%, Adds critical damage +3% and neutral magic+6% on Weapons ) n i got it when i faced kaiser at kreldan mq, i not buy it so its a free lucky drop , then about Izuminokami... ehm.. what should i say...( expensive  ) so i stick with my masamune n r.tengu 2, then about armor, atm i only have Shiro up n Yang garb, Exe up is to expensive for me atm, maybe in the future anyway thx again for ur input |
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Nov 12, 2014 23:06:32 GMT
Just would like to correct that Special Sword grants +2 ATK per VIT +1.5 ATK per DEX +1 ATK per STR I heard samurais get +1ATK per AGI with swords so it may boil down to having AGI or STR as 3rd Stat where AGI grants some evasion (may help abit in tanking, but not so much vs. high level bosses unless you plan to wear evasion gear) and STR makes it possible to use a normal sword (+3ATK STR, +1ATK DEX). well i use normal sword like masamune n r.tengu2 never use spec sword, n mostly i use masamune coz its autoskill give me extra atk around 8k-16k, n yes AGI give +1 ATK n Eva as bonus, u can only see it once u press confirm button, so... for soloing which is better stat to cont AGI or DEX ?? thx I cannot answer this because I dont have a sammy. I can only answer via general knowledge. |
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Post by dadsgone on Nov 14, 2014 5:33:02 GMT
Well Iknow there may be many builds out there tats better than mine. But here ill tell u my build. First Youve mentioned how spam skill wud drain out mp so fast. Well, when Im farmig with party, hwiz always mp me whenever I need, so theres no worry. But when im going solo, I use edel hood, this thing raises MDEF based on ur vit so u can have around 400~500 MDEF with FULL VIT and no INT. Plus, edel hood raises ur max mp, when i equipped it, my Maxmp went up from 600 to 1800. So with edel hood, u can have decent max mp. Secondly, you said u have kaiser xtal, but samurai doesnt need matk. So i recommend you change ur kaiser to Oritius xtal. Third, I use Special Sword (Vit/Dex/Agi build). As u prolly know alrdy, special sword raises +2.5 atk for each VIT, +2 atk for each DEX, and +1 atk for each AGI. So if u maxed ur VIT instead of putting 201 pts on STR, you wud have higher Maxhp,Def,and Atk. Fourth, some Special Swords give maxhp+%. So u can tank better. Wound Transer gives maxhp+15% and Def up by DEX so its rlly gud for tanking. Pallies use this sword but samurai use them too. Izuminokami gives maxhp+10% and atk+5% so this one is gud too. Fifth, if you wanna change ur build to this build, u wud definitely need skill delay -sec becuz Max DEX just isnt enuf. Most samurais use Exelis up for skill delay -1sec and barbarotita for skill delay -0.5sec. Thank You so much for ur input, but i never have any party either farm or grind ( not that i dont want to but i think they prefer ninja or pally rather then sammy that what i assume when they ask for my job but not invited me in the end ) so i always solo, about edel hood how much is it cost ?? n it was Kaiser 2 xtal ( ATK/MATK+5%, Adds critical damage +3% and neutral magic+6% on Weapons ) n i got it when i faced kaiser at kreldan mq, i not buy it so its a free lucky drop , then about Izuminokami... ehm.. what should i say...( expensive ) so i stick with my masamune n r.tengu 2, then about armor, atm i only have Shiro up n Yang garb, Exe up is to expensive for me atm, maybe in the future anyway thx again for ur input Well, samurais usually have hard time getting a party. That's why I solo megaroche with tix and books. But later when the lv cap reaches 285, lv240+ samurais can learn AOE. You can basically make your issen and finishing stroke an AOE skill so u can issen 3 megaroches at the same time. This is also why you wanna spam issen really fast. For me,one issen deals around 40k dmg to megaroche. (Finishing stroke 125k) Once you learn the AOE skill, your dmg output is basically around 3-5 times stronger than pally. Also, you can maintain your hate by using supernatural skill. In addition to that, if your build is VIT/DEX/AGI, you can tank megaroches just like a pally, and your dmg will be just as high as high wizards. Normal sword build like STR/VIT/DEX build has no evasion, and STR/AGI/DEX has too low maxhp, and any build without DEX has too slow casting time for finishing stroke and too slow skill delay for other skills. so I strongly recommend using VIT/DEX/AGI build with special sword. but it's your char, so you decide what to do. Edel hood costs around 400k slot i believe but you can easily farm one from Jakow (not sure if the name is right) from the snowy map before zimov dungeon. I farmed a stack and got 2 of em. You don't have to use Izuminokami. You can just use wound transer (costs like 1-2m slot). However, if you still like masamune n r. tengu better, it's your choice. all up to u. |
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Dex I wanna think lowers delay but the problem with my build is I have to spend tons on remagic l since my max mp is only 500 0.0
) if i got the S i will put Beelzenoid
) so i stick with my masamune n r.tengu 2, then about armor, atm i only have Shiro up n Yang garb, Exe up is to expensive for me atm, maybe in the future