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Post by Kyndig on Jul 16, 2018 21:32:38 GMT
ok with free reset i turned my ninja into a spec sword samurai. Because ninja got nerfed to the 9th layer of hell, and was having trouble adjusting to the 3 clones when i was used to 9 and mp drain was too much too fast. So here are my stats and gear.
vit 316, dex 316, agi 401, str 110 level 320
izu 2 with sauro 2
boo up with iniliba evasion5
monty+9 slot up or sieger plate slot.depending if i do shippu or issen spam
orichal ring ns, or fortitude ring ns evasion 1
if slot on special is needed i use catura talisman or volk shoes beelzenoid might change this until i get 200 str
accessory sunglasses with meleedef5
so what abilities should i add to my gear or xtals for monty up or sieger plate or catura or volk shoes, also my al is vatendeth, shelk, gk, cerbera, zazel since i want some hp ouvel is out would merario give more or about the same atk or what else is there for al that i need?
only crystas i can think of are minotaur , int&vit+5, str&vit+5 or maybe vida or raton
thoughts?
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Post by mcserg on Jul 16, 2018 21:41:45 GMT
ok with free reset i turned my ninja into a spec sword samurai. Because ninja got nerfed to the 9th layer of hell, and was having trouble adjusting to the 3 clones when i was used to 9 and mp drain was too much too fast. So here are my stats and gear. vit 316, dex 316, agi 401, str 110 level 320 izu 2 with sauro 2 boo up with iniliba evasion5 monty+9 slot up or sieger plate slot.depending if i do shippu or issen spam orichal ring ns, or fortitude ring ns evasion 1 if slot on special is needed i use catura talisman or volk shoes beelzenoid might change this until i get 200 str accessory sunglasses with meleedef5 so what abilities should i add to my gear or xtals for monty up or sieger plate or catura or volk shoes, also my al is vatendeth, shelk, gk, cerbera, zazel since i want some hp ouvel is out would merario give more or about the same atk or what else is there for al that i need? only crystas i can think of are minotaur , int&vit+5, str&vit+5 or maybe vida or raton thoughts? you'll be doing issen spam since shippu is str build for Masamune/Muramasa series. you can use dorry instead of iniliba on armor and put iniliba on monty or catura you'll have enough resis to use ouvel. another option would be getting myrica even if ns and putting rate cut lvl5 or a mix you'll need +20% to counter myricas negative |
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Post by Kyndig on Jul 16, 2018 22:02:22 GMT
Yeah i know i need some rate cut stuff but doesnt dorry have -ratecut as well?
Last i knew shippu was just to increase attkspd how is it a str build?
Also i thought iniliba was best on armor, what does it give on add or special any more attk +%?
Brb going to .info tolook up stuff.
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Post by pingrek on Jul 16, 2018 23:45:20 GMT
Yeah i know i need some rate cut stuff but doesnt dorry have -ratecut as well? Last i knew shippu was just to increase attkspd how is it a str build? Also i thought iniliba was best on armor, what does it give on add or special any more attk +%? Brb going to .info tolook up stuff. Shippu is used to be able to auto attack and take advantage of masamune/muramasa weapons strong autoskill to deal damage and since they are normal swords they are a more str main stat build, vit build has pretty much always been a spam build since most spec swords aren't suited for auto attack, anyways I would honestly probably keep iniliba in armor and go for vida in add gear until you maybe can get a mr oritius since going for atk% is better since the critical damage formula was changed, catura talisman is good until you get the free 2 slot spec then you should switch to it and put two atk% xtals in it |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2018 5:53:17 GMT
Kyndig not to be a spoilsport, but while ninja got nerfed survivability now, its damage has increased quite a lot (except for sk; it got nerfed, but still hits hard). Before: 9x crt damage, needs -8sec sd. After: 12x crt damage, needs -2sec sd. Anyway, I have my own spec sword samu. My current set is a semi-resist set: genius cerberus (gonna change to amatis), boo up iniliba qc, monty up vida, guard or aegis ring, depending on what I'm fighting. In the future, I plan to make a full resist set, and a damage set. If I can somehow get both sauro ii and iii, here's my planned damage setup: fudo amatis qc5, boo up iniliba, monty up vida, sbs amatis x 2. I really would go for full mr ori (or with one melee+15% to element xtal), but even amatis atm is out of my budget right now.
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Post by Kyndig on Jul 18, 2018 18:48:25 GMT
Zura not to go off topic too much, but i was a claw ninja, with pf and doc and sk, my ninja damage with claws lost at least 6 k damage when i used to do 24-28 k autoattacks my doc with and without pf went down a lot was doing 220-250 k before patch doc and pf went down a lot too from between 600-800k+ to like 300-400 k on my ninja builds i was normal claw ninja. After balance patch sk went from 44 k to like 315 k on last clone, doc went down oto like 176 rarely above 200k autoattacks went down to like 17-19 k damage. Add in the mp drain from clones drainng mp way too fast while i had clones up and was fighting yardes and sk removing clones i couldnt keep my clones up fast enough, also add in the fact that i could only have 3 clones when im used to fighting monsters with 9 clones and autoattacking and recloning like every other mob. So itwas not fun as ninja anymore, so i changed to samurai, went vit special sword so as to be different from my auto pure damage samurai, atm base damage between the 2 is almost even with spec sword sam doing like 39-40k fully buffed except for asura realm since i had trouble getting it to work., auto pure damage fully buffed was doing like max of 42-43 k per base damage and like 88-89 k per masashin autoskill again without ar
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2018 20:01:22 GMT
Kyndig crt damage is nerfed for all classes, sadly. If you have some crt damage on you, yeah your damage would really go down. It's surprising how you're not doing more than 200k doc, when I am doing 203k at my level (196 right now). The mp drain can be stopped if you clone with desperate move, and adds a 1% mp regen per sec for 10 secs. Sk's damage has gone down a lot, yeah, but if you switch your gears to matk instead of crt damage, you'll be back to your old damage. With a bit of tweaking and practice, your ninja-turned-samurai could still be useful. But yeah, if you're not gonna change your mind, samu is fun as heck too. Boo is nice, but your str is too low for boo to be effective, damage-wise. Would suggest either ira or ultimi if you want more damage. Ira should give more damage, however it has that -melee r which could hurt you, and it doesn't have any -sd, so you'll have to make up for it with zanshin. For spec, you could use myrica or if you don't want the -rate cut from it, you could use the mq 2s spec and put two mr oritius. Actually, you might wanna put mr oritius on everything. If that's out of your budget, there's vida for add and amatis for everything else. Don't worry too much about your def. If your resistance is good, even if you have -def, it wouldn't affect you much.
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Post by Kyndig on Jul 18, 2018 22:05:10 GMT
Is mr ori that good? I mean with the -20% hp recovery, atm my spec sword sam has sauro 2 on izu 2, i believe iniliba on boo up, put minotaur on monty upand vida on sieger plate to see the damages i do, might try a vida on monty as well though. Lol i put a ganei in catura though if i use shippu for yardes with sieger , i normally use orichal ring ns,, though might try and get a sacred cinder next time it is available and use on orichal ring maybe. Mq wise i will get chief gods stone before i get the mq2 slotted spec so might try something with that. Ill be trying to get my spec sword sam str to 256 at least for boo up, if i use ira would wyn still be viableor should i change that to something else because of the crit damage%?f
ps on ninja i tried to get mp regen from dm but only way i could get mp regen was domination , because dm requires you to be under 10% hp. To heal and mp regen.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2018 22:37:42 GMT
Kyndig -20% hp rec doesn't do anything for a samurai. It does affect bless tho if you get it from a cleric branch class, but that's not really much of a problem. Atm, sauro 2 and mr ori are your best bet on doing the highest damage, although some melee +% to element would be nice. Issen spam should be better than auto if you're a spec sword build. If you wanted to auto, normal sword build does way (I mean waaay) more damage with auto than a spec sword build. I would advise against using auto items such as wyn, and focus on spam items. Orichal bangle is just for buffing shippu. Basically, the pattern is mp set > mental clarity > shippu > damage set. It's not worth using a cinder on. 2s mq spec with 2 mr oritius out-damages all ns specs, and most 1s specs (depending on your atk), so it should be what you're going for. And yes, you do need a cloning set to be able to activate the mp regen from dmove. It saves me bag space and spina for mp pots. Literally unlimited mp when I grind.
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Post by Kyndig on Jul 19, 2018 2:28:09 GMT
If i use ira instead of boo would iniliba even be effective on it? Also what exactly are issen spam items atm i have monty upboo up and izu 2 for like -3.4sec sd for issen do i need anymore sd or should i just focus on attack % now
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2018 3:20:06 GMT
Kyndig if you use ira, yeah iniliba's melee r+ won't be very effective. Might as well use mr ori, amatis or dorry, or you could wait for aldi but Idk if it's worth using on a samurai since the class already has buffs for crt damage. As for spam items, if your dex is 300+, you need -3sec sd. Idk if it goes lower than that with higher dex. If you use ira, you'll be down to -2.2sec sd, but you could use that 260 skill called zanshin to add -1sec sd more for 1min. I'm not sure if 256 str is enough to out-damage ira, but imo boo is the safer choice with that much str. If you could, sauro ii and sauro iii are great al xtals. You'd be able to use fudo (currently best spec sword for damage if you can cover the skill delay) easier this way. Boo up, monty up, 350+ dex (for gk -sd), sauro 2 & 3 al xtal, zanshin should give you enough -sd to use fudo effectively. After that, just increase your damage with atk+% xtals. Melee+15% to element xtals like celawinos is also good to have. By my calculations, using just one maximizes your damage more than going for pure atk+% (on an adventurer at least; I haven't tried calculating it on a samurai so I might be wrong about this). It needs more bag space tho since it's like collecting elemental swords — 7 melee+15% to element on 7 monty up. Edit - I forgot to mention that you need to avoid anything that decreases your hit stat. You need your hit as high as possible for fs to succeed (it can fail if your hit is too low depending on the enemy you're fighting; if it fails, it deals half damage).
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Post by Kyndig on Jul 19, 2018 18:20:39 GMT
So avoid ring of rush and daijango holiday up for most partthen ,done.
I think izu 2 gives -1 s sd, boo up gives -1.2 s sd, and monty up gives -1.2s sd so that is -3.4 s sd at 316dex and zanshin adds another -1 sec sd so with zanshin i have -4.4 s sd. Ill try and see what else i can do to increase damages.
Would gashadoro orcrescent or magonza be a good fit for ira if i cant use iniliba on it or what about a weird one called muscle tomato, would that be good on ira not sure where to get that one though. Ill try getting some elemental xtals though it might be hard to get the melee to elementals % ones, i might be able to do 2 of the melee to elementals+5% ones like finstern and spectorto cover all 7 elements, problem is finding what to put them in lol.
Ill workon getting my str up and getting vit and dex to 350 for gatekeeper status.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2018 2:28:23 GMT
KyndigI suppose magonza is decent, but still loses to iniliba by 1% atk if you're a spam build (tho 1% isn't a lot). Melee+200 stat doesn't work for skills after all. Muscle tomato is nice, but it's rare and could be a bit expensive. Gashadororo is more for rate cut set than damage set. But if you're gonna up your str anyway, you can let ira go since you already have boo. You could use libersona + finstern to cover all elements, but you'll probably do more damage with monty vida xD. You could use monty vida until you have the resources to spare for the melee+15% xtals.
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