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Post by cIn on Jul 11, 2018 16:16:01 GMT
Not sure where to post this under the tips and tricks so it ended up here.
I have a lv294 ninja and need some advice on choosing a class/build. I'm currently hesitating between minstrel, doc spam nin and magic nin.
I don't know much about these classes especially after the balance patch, so how do these 3 fare in terms of soloing capability(esp new mq bosses), dps and farming/grinding(not as important)?
Also any information on your most recommended class' equips/xtals/ai would be very appreciated ^^.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 17:15:45 GMT
Not sure where to post this under the tips and tricks so it ended up here. I have a lv294 ninja and need some advice on choosing a class/build. I'm currently hesitating between minstrel, doc spam nin and magic nin. I don't know much about these classes especially after the balance patch, so how do these 3 fare in terms of soloing capability(esp new mq bosses), dps and farming/grinding(not as important)? Also any information on your most recommended class' equips/xtals/ai would be very appreciated ^^. Just gonna put this here. It's a record of kill times of different classes in the test server. Updated, here kill time result so far: 1) Enchanter: •11 sec (dark set) •12 sec (earth set) 2) Assassin: 11 sec 3) Sniper: 20 sec (auto attack with fairy wind) 4) Samurai: 22 sec (Issen+fs spam) •27 sec (auto-attack) 5) Ninja: •2 minute 7 sec (interfike ninja) •21 sec (Doc spam) •24 sec (Sk ninja) •21 sec (Magic ninja) 6) High Wizard: 28 sec (zero ray) 7) Gladiator: 22 sec (Tempest build) •26 sec (Valkyrie build) 8) Monk: 30 sec (veleno user) 9) Paladin: 32 sec (Knight oath) 10) Beast Knight: 35 sec 11) Alchemist: 33 sec 12) Necromancer: 28 sec (Thanks Undyne  ) Gonna wait magic ninja damage after tommorow update Btw, I was able to do 16 secs with pf doc spam spec claw build. As for soloing in the higher levels, I'm afraid I cannot answer since I, myself, am below 200. I would recommend staying as a ninja, 1) to save you the trouble of adjusting to a new class and build so much, and 2) so you can reuse some/most of your gears and al xtals already in place. @lv193, my damage vs nommars is 189k doc per second (2 doc per nommar, 3 doc per mega). My build is special claw — str crt 100gr. I plan to add 100rd later on, and vit to survive certain bosses (same build I used in the test server). Imo, the most stable ninja build in terms of damage is magic ninja. Sk and doc spam both rely on clones for damage, so each clone lost = more time recloning = less dps. Magic ninjas are not hindered by such limitations (tho they obviously still need to reclone), however it is quite mp-hungry without the mp regen from dmove or domi. Another advantage of the build is synergy with support classes such as bish and servant. I'm staying as a pf doc spammer however due to its potential dps being the highest among the 3 ninja builds (according Makina Yuki's and Dragsbro's tests and my own tests). In the test server, pf doc spam can deal 2.2m in 3 sec (733k dps), but this is dangerous and shouldn't be used on a lot of bosses when soloing. Doc spam can reach 550k per sec. According to Dragsbro, magic ninja can do 1m every 2 sec (500k dps), and sk can do 2.05m every 4 sec (512.5k dps). |
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Post by Pixie on Jul 11, 2018 17:18:40 GMT
Not sure where to post this under the tips and tricks so it ended up here. I have a lv294 ninja and need some advice on choosing a class/build. I'm currently hesitating between minstrel, doc spam nin and magic nin. I don't know much about these classes especially after the balance patch, so how do these 3 fare in terms of soloing capability(esp new mq bosses), dps and farming/grinding(not as important)? Also any information on your most recommended class' equips/xtals/ai would be very appreciated ^^. Just gonna put this here. It's a record of kill times of different classes in the test server. Updated, here kill time result so far: 1) Enchanter: •11 sec (dark set) •12 sec (earth set) 2) Assassin: 11 sec 3) Sniper: 20 sec (auto attack with fairy wind) 4) Samurai: 22 sec (Issen+fs spam) •27 sec (auto-attack) 5) Ninja: •2 minute 7 sec (interfike ninja) •21 sec (Doc spam) •24 sec (Sk ninja) •21 sec (Magic ninja) 6) High Wizard: 28 sec (zero ray) 7) Gladiator: 22 sec (Tempest build) •26 sec (Valkyrie build) 8) Monk: 30 sec (veleno user) 9) Paladin: 32 sec (Knight oath) 10) Beast Knight: 35 sec 11) Alchemist: 33 sec 12) Necromancer: 28 sec (Thanks Undyne ) Gonna wait magic ninja damage after tommorow update Btw, I was able to do 16 secs with pf doc spam spec claw build. As for soloing in the higher levels, I'm afraid I cannot answer since I, myself, am below 200. I would recommend staying as a ninja, 1) to save you the trouble of adjusting to a new class and build so much, and 2) so you can reuse some/most of your gears and al xtals already in place. @lv193, my damage vs nommars is 189k doc per second (2 doc per nommar, 3 doc per mega). My build is special claw — str crt 100gr. I plan to add 100rd later on, and vit to survive certain bosses (same build I used in the test server). Imo, the most stable ninja build in terms of damage is magic ninja. Sk and doc spam both rely on clones for damage, so each clone lost = more time recloning = less dps. Magic ninjas are not hindered by such limitations (tho they obviously still need to reclone), however it is quite mp-hungry without the mp regen from dmove or domi. Another advantage of the build is synergy with support classes such as bish and servant. I'm staying as a pf doc spammer however due to its potential dps being the highest among the 3 ninja builds (according Makina Yuki's and Dragsbro's tests and my own tests). In the test server, pf doc spam can deal 2.2m in 3 sec (733k dps), but this is dangerous and shouldn't be used on a lot of bosses when soloing. Doc spam can reach 550k per sec. According to Dragsbro, magic ninja can do 1m every 2 sec (500k dps), and sk can do 2.05m every 4 sec (512.5k dps). *cough*servant 2.5hrs *cough* xD |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 17:23:20 GMT
Just gonna put this here. It's a record of kill times of different classes in the test server.Btw, I was able to do 16 secs with pf doc spam spec claw build. As for soloing in the higher levels, I'm afraid I cannot answer since I, myself, am below 200. I would recommend staying as a ninja, 1) to save you the trouble of adjusting to a new class and build so much, and 2) so you can reuse some/most of your gears and al xtals already in place. @lv193, my damage vs nommars is 189k doc per second (2 doc per nommar, 3 doc per mega). My build is special claw — str crt 100gr. I plan to add 100rd later on, and vit to survive certain bosses (same build I used in the test server). Imo, the most stable ninja build in terms of damage is magic ninja. Sk and doc spam both rely on clones for damage, so each clone lost = more time recloning = less dps. Magic ninjas are not hindered by such limitations (tho they obviously still need to reclone), however it is quite mp-hungry without the mp regen from dmove or domi. Another advantage of the build is synergy with support classes such as bish and servant. I'm staying as a pf doc spammer however due to its potential dps being the highest among the 3 ninja builds (according Makina Yuki's and Dragsbro's tests and my own tests). In the test server, pf doc spam can deal 2.2m in 3 sec (733k dps), but this is dangerous and shouldn't be used on a lot of bosses when soloing. Doc spam can reach 550k per sec. According to Dragsbro, magic ninja can do 1m every 2 sec (500k dps), and sk can do 2.05m every 4 sec (512.5k dps). *cough*servant 2.5hrs *cough* xD Reason I haven't started making a servant xD I'm scared of going back to potato dps after experiencing a doc spammer's dps x.x |
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Post by Pixie on Jul 11, 2018 17:28:43 GMT
Aura espada got a little bit of a buff i suppose because atk changed butttttttttttt i wouldnt write home about a 3k difference
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Post by cIn on Jul 11, 2018 17:32:34 GMT
Not sure where to post this under the tips and tricks so it ended up here. I have a lv294 ninja and need some advice on choosing a class/build. I'm currently hesitating between minstrel, doc spam nin and magic nin. I don't know much about these classes especially after the balance patch, so how do these 3 fare in terms of soloing capability(esp new mq bosses), dps and farming/grinding(not as important)? Also any information on your most recommended class' equips/xtals/ai would be very appreciated ^^. Just gonna put this here. It's a record of kill times of different classes in the test server. Updated, here kill time result so far: 1) Enchanter: •11 sec (dark set) •12 sec (earth set) 2) Assassin: 11 sec 3) Sniper: 20 sec (auto attack with fairy wind) 4) Samurai: 22 sec (Issen+fs spam) •27 sec (auto-attack) 5) Ninja: •2 minute 7 sec (interfike ninja) •21 sec (Doc spam) •24 sec (Sk ninja) •21 sec (Magic ninja) 6) High Wizard: 28 sec (zero ray) 7) Gladiator: 22 sec (Tempest build) •26 sec (Valkyrie build) 8) Monk: 30 sec (veleno user) 9) Paladin: 32 sec (Knight oath) 10) Beast Knight: 35 sec 11) Alchemist: 33 sec 12) Necromancer: 28 sec (Thanks Undyne ) Gonna wait magic ninja damage after tommorow update Btw, I was able to do 16 secs with pf doc spam spec claw build. As for soloing in the higher levels, I'm afraid I cannot answer since I, myself, am below 200. I would recommend staying as a ninja, 1) to save you the trouble of adjusting to a new class and build so much, and 2) so you can reuse some/most of your gears and al xtals already in place. @lv193, my damage vs nommars is 189k doc per second (2 doc per nommar, 3 doc per mega). My build is special claw — str crt 100gr. I plan to add 100rd later on, and vit to survive certain bosses (same build I used in the test server). Imo, the most stable ninja build in terms of damage is magic ninja. Sk and doc spam both rely on clones for damage, so each clone lost = more time recloning = less dps. Magic ninjas are not hindered by such limitations (tho they obviously still need to reclone), however it is quite mp-hungry without the mp regen from dmove or domi. Another advantage of the build is synergy with support classes such as bish and servant. I'm staying as a pf doc spammer however due to its potential dps being the highest among the 3 ninja builds (according Makina Yuki 's and Dragsbro 's tests and my own tests). In the test server, pf doc spam can deal 2.2m in 3 sec (733k dps), but this is dangerous and shouldn't be used on a lot of bosses when soloing. Doc spam can reach 550k per sec. According to Dragsbro , magic ninja can do 1m every 2 sec (500k dps), and sk can do 2.05m every 4 sec (512.5k dps). Thanks! Very informative, though is there a reason minstrel isn't included in the kill time list? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 17:44:50 GMT
Just gonna put this here. It's a record of kill times of different classes in the test server.Btw, I was able to do 16 secs with pf doc spam spec claw build. As for soloing in the higher levels, I'm afraid I cannot answer since I, myself, am below 200. I would recommend staying as a ninja, 1) to save you the trouble of adjusting to a new class and build so much, and 2) so you can reuse some/most of your gears and al xtals already in place. @lv193, my damage vs nommars is 189k doc per second (2 doc per nommar, 3 doc per mega). My build is special claw — str crt 100gr. I plan to add 100rd later on, and vit to survive certain bosses (same build I used in the test server). Imo, the most stable ninja build in terms of damage is magic ninja. Sk and doc spam both rely on clones for damage, so each clone lost = more time recloning = less dps. Magic ninjas are not hindered by such limitations (tho they obviously still need to reclone), however it is quite mp-hungry without the mp regen from dmove or domi. Another advantage of the build is synergy with support classes such as bish and servant. I'm staying as a pf doc spammer however due to its potential dps being the highest among the 3 ninja builds (according Makina Yuki 's and Dragsbro 's tests and my own tests). In the test server, pf doc spam can deal 2.2m in 3 sec (733k dps), but this is dangerous and shouldn't be used on a lot of bosses when soloing. Doc spam can reach 550k per sec. According to Dragsbro , magic ninja can do 1m every 2 sec (500k dps), and sk can do 2.05m every 4 sec (512.5k dps). Thanks! Very informative, though is there a reason minstrel isn't included in the kill time list? I suppose Makina Yuki didn't test it out xD I mean, there are a lot of possible builds and gear setups for any class, so I guess she focused only on those she's interested in. I myself only tested ninja (doc), spec sword samurai, and claw monk (assassin too although just for backstab delay). |
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Post by cIn on Jul 11, 2018 17:52:30 GMT
Thanks! Very informative, though is there a reason minstrel isn't included in the kill time list? I suppose Makina Yuki didn't test it out xD I mean, there are a lot of possible builds and gear setups for any class, so I guess she focused only on those she's interested in. I myself only tested ninja (doc), spec sword samurai, and claw monk (assassin too although just for backstab delay). I see...;-; guess I'll just wait for more inputs from other people before deciding. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 18:05:14 GMT
I suppose Makina Yuki didn't test it out xD I mean, there are a lot of possible builds and gear setups for any class, so I guess she focused only on those she's interested in. I myself only tested ninja (doc), spec sword samurai, and claw monk (assassin too although just for backstab delay). I see...;-; guess I'll just wait for more inputs from other people before deciding. I was looking thru old screenshots and it seems my memory failed me. I was actually able to do only 1.8~1.9m pf doc, so 600~633k dps. My bad. |
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Post by Dragsbro on Jul 11, 2018 18:06:34 GMT
Not sure where to post this under the tips and tricks so it ended up here. I have a lv294 ninja and need some advice on choosing a class/build. I'm currently hesitating between minstrel, doc spam nin and magic nin. I don't know much about these classes especially after the balance patch, so how do these 3 fare in terms of soloing capability(esp new mq bosses), dps and farming/grinding(not as important)? Also any information on your most recommended class' equips/xtals/ai would be very appreciated ^^. Just gonna put this here. It's a record of kill times of different classes in the test server. Updated, here kill time result so far: 1) Enchanter: •11 sec (dark set) •12 sec (earth set) 2) Assassin: 11 sec 3) Sniper: 20 sec (auto attack with fairy wind) 4) Samurai: 22 sec (Issen+fs spam) •27 sec (auto-attack) 5) Ninja: •2 minute 7 sec (interfike ninja) •21 sec (Doc spam) •24 sec (Sk ninja) •21 sec (Magic ninja) 6) High Wizard: 28 sec (zero ray) 7) Gladiator: 22 sec (Tempest build) •26 sec (Valkyrie build) 8) Monk: 30 sec (veleno user) 9) Paladin: 32 sec (Knight oath) 10) Beast Knight: 35 sec 11) Alchemist: 33 sec 12) Necromancer: 28 sec (Thanks Undyne ) Gonna wait magic ninja damage after tommorow update Btw, I was able to do 16 secs with pf doc spam spec claw build. As for soloing in the higher levels, I'm afraid I cannot answer since I, myself, am below 200. I would recommend staying as a ninja, 1) to save you the trouble of adjusting to a new class and build so much, and 2) so you can reuse some/most of your gears and al xtals already in place. @lv193, my damage vs nommars is 189k doc per second (2 doc per nommar, 3 doc per mega). My build is special claw — str crt 100gr. I plan to add 100rd later on, and vit to survive certain bosses (same build I used in the test server). Imo, the most stable ninja build in terms of damage is magic ninja. Sk and doc spam both rely on clones for damage, so each clone lost = more time recloning = less dps. Magic ninjas are not hindered by such limitations (tho they obviously still need to reclone), however it is quite mp-hungry without the mp regen from dmove or domi. Another advantage of the build is synergy with support classes such as bish and servant. I'm staying as a pf doc spammer however due to its potential dps being the highest among the 3 ninja builds (according Makina Yuki 's and Dragsbro 's tests and my own tests). In the test server, pf doc spam can deal 2.2m in 3 sec (733k dps), but this is dangerous and shouldn't be used on a lot of bosses when soloing. Doc spam can reach 550k per sec. According to Dragsbro , magic ninja can do 1m every 2 sec (500k dps), and sk can do 2.05m every 4 sec (512.5k dps).  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 11, 2018 18:09:01 GMT
Just gonna put this here. It's a record of kill times of different classes in the test server.Btw, I was able to do 16 secs with pf doc spam spec claw build. As for soloing in the higher levels, I'm afraid I cannot answer since I, myself, am below 200. I would recommend staying as a ninja, 1) to save you the trouble of adjusting to a new class and build so much, and 2) so you can reuse some/most of your gears and al xtals already in place. @lv193, my damage vs nommars is 189k doc per second (2 doc per nommar, 3 doc per mega). My build is special claw — str crt 100gr. I plan to add 100rd later on, and vit to survive certain bosses (same build I used in the test server). Imo, the most stable ninja build in terms of damage is magic ninja. Sk and doc spam both rely on clones for damage, so each clone lost = more time recloning = less dps. Magic ninjas are not hindered by such limitations (tho they obviously still need to reclone), however it is quite mp-hungry without the mp regen from dmove or domi. Another advantage of the build is synergy with support classes such as bish and servant. I'm staying as a pf doc spammer however due to its potential dps being the highest among the 3 ninja builds (according Makina Yuki 's and Dragsbro 's tests and my own tests). In the test server, pf doc spam can deal 2.2m in 3 sec (733k dps), but this is dangerous and shouldn't be used on a lot of bosses when soloing. Doc spam can reach 550k per sec. According to Dragsbro , magic ninja can do 1m every 2 sec (500k dps), and sk can do 2.05m every 4 sec (512.5k dps). *brings out a rosary* |
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Post by cIn on Jul 12, 2018 3:25:30 GMT
Just gonna put this here. It's a record of kill times of different classes in the test server.Btw, I was able to do 16 secs with pf doc spam spec claw build. As for soloing in the higher levels, I'm afraid I cannot answer since I, myself, am below 200. I would recommend staying as a ninja, 1) to save you the trouble of adjusting to a new class and build so much, and 2) so you can reuse some/most of your gears and al xtals already in place. @lv193, my damage vs nommars is 189k doc per second (2 doc per nommar, 3 doc per mega). My build is special claw — str crt 100gr. I plan to add 100rd later on, and vit to survive certain bosses (same build I used in the test server). Imo, the most stable ninja build in terms of damage is magic ninja. Sk and doc spam both rely on clones for damage, so each clone lost = more time recloning = less dps. Magic ninjas are not hindered by such limitations (tho they obviously still need to reclone), however it is quite mp-hungry without the mp regen from dmove or domi. Another advantage of the build is synergy with support classes such as bish and servant. I'm staying as a pf doc spammer however due to its potential dps being the highest among the 3 ninja builds (according Makina Yuki 's and Dragsbro 's tests and my own tests). In the test server, pf doc spam can deal 2.2m in 3 sec (733k dps), but this is dangerous and shouldn't be used on a lot of bosses when soloing. Doc spam can reach 550k per sec. According to Dragsbro , magic ninja can do 1m every 2 sec (500k dps), and sk can do 2.05m every 4 sec (512.5k dps). Wow is that one of the jutsu skills? |
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Post by Makina Yuki on Jul 12, 2018 3:39:21 GMT
cIn I think that damage comes from dokuton no jutsu, new ninja skills, which spellbursted. All jutsu can easily reach 1m damage after lv340 skills relased while the strongest magic ninja skills, Heaven and Earth, can easily dealt 3m damage (need stock astrological gauge tho).
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Post by Dragsbro on Jul 12, 2018 6:22:24 GMT
cIn I think that damage comes from dokuton no jutsu, new ninja skills, which spellbursted. All jutsu can easily reach 1m damage after lv340 skills relased while the strongest magic ninja skills, Heaven and Earth, can easily dealt 3m damage (need stock astrological gauge tho). yea "easily" with all gears 2s and best xtal/gears >.>" (Joke asides I don't think it sprll bursted) |
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