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Post by Kyndig on Jul 10, 2018 3:54:29 GMT
Yeah vit might not be neccessary, but i thought we were going to lose the -hp sets so guess ill find something else to spend my points inatm even if i have to raise some more apostolia, guess ill lose hp with ouvel, and with g ring ‘s dark element so there goes my 3 k hp on my ninja, i might have 1500 or so after all that proccesses, but unless im mistaken some bosses hit like 50 k per hit, that will be painful, im sure. Atm i have 24 points to spend, but my str agi and crit is currently capped until i raise more apostolia, so maybe int dex or special statslike gr would be better atm. Hopefully i can get ouvel g for a good price.
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Post by wonderer on Jul 10, 2018 4:51:44 GMT
I have special claw ninja. Str crt dex build. With that build I can switch to normal bow or normal sword anytime.
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Post by Makina Yuki on Jul 10, 2018 5:11:52 GMT
I have special claw ninja. Str crt dex build. With that build I can switch to normal bow or normal sword anytime. Spec claw outdamage any other weapon for doc tho. Suprisingly, even normal claw with AGI CRT build outdamage bow in test server
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Post by Maxwello on Jul 10, 2018 11:06:32 GMT
Kyndig You can and should probably get an hp set. Stands to reason to not use negative hp gears in hp set ofcourse.
I don't have a lot atm, best I get is 27k but boss dependant for those where 1hp fails me due to specific attacks (such as agira wherein a 8khp set actually does the job) they help a lot. Basically when u get hit through ur clones check out the dmg received and work from there.
I have dragon's claw (and omg the dmg sucks) iron arm last up, sieger plate, hcb up with hp20% xtals and rate cut and autoskil abilities but its a wip.
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Post by Maxwello on Jul 10, 2018 11:10:46 GMT
I have special claw ninja. Str crt dex build. With that build I can switch to normal bow or normal sword anytime. (pre patch) how do you find it? I assume lacking in agi means doc spam so skill delay gear? So you spam doc and bunshin when needed ye?
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Post by NightBreeze on Jul 10, 2018 11:16:34 GMT
Maxwello why an HP set, though? Did you forget that clones work 100% now? You can't get hit through your clones.
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Post by Dragsbro on Jul 10, 2018 11:22:54 GMT
Maxwello why an HP set, though? Did you forget that clones work 100% now? You can't get hit through your clones. I guess he means, for attacks through clones. Although a classis resist set with Sieger plate should be very fine for those kind of attack, + other attacks in case of stun/blind/run out of clones
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 11:38:30 GMT
I have special claw ninja. Str crt dex build. With that build I can switch to normal bow or normal sword anytime. (pre patch) how do you find it? I assume lacking in agi means doc spam so skill delay gear? So you spam doc and bunshin when needed ye? Special claw build here, although I don't plan to add dex cuz in the test server, monty up < force helm re up. The damage is insanely good. You wouldn't find any other class spamming 100k damage (vs nommars) every second below level 190 with a spam set. My highest damage so far with self buffs is 166k vs wizaleon @ lv193. Yes, my set gives me -6.3 sd (7-clone spam), so it's lacking damage due to its focus. Eva also sucks (100gr and 4 green lines got me to 500~ish eva). The way I play is make 9 clones, paralyze the opponent with a cast set, then spam 6-7 clone doc until paralysis wears off, although it depends on the opponent's aspd whether or not I use raiton. The strongest boss I've ever killed this way is bernhardt. Spikeleon is almost doable, but I always time up at around 25-30% hp left.
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Post by Maxwello on Jul 10, 2018 11:56:55 GMT
Maxwello why an HP set, though? Did you forget that clones work 100% now? You can't get hit through your clones. Ye I assume they will work as they have up until now and getting caught with low hp but clones stacked and being dead is common enough. (for me anyway)
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Post by Maxwello on Jul 10, 2018 12:11:00 GMT
Maxwello why an HP set, though? Did you forget that clones work 100% now? You can't get hit through your clones. I guess he means, for attacks through clones. Although a classis resist set with Sieger plate should be very fine for those kind of attack, + other attacks in case of stun/blind/run out of clones You may be right. Up until now I always play 9 clone Eva auto attack with the occasional doc. If an attack gets through my clones I go from there. Anywhere from 8 to 27k hp has been enough to get by and manage to semi tank well enough for my party (2 hw) to efficiently farm. I feel rate cut doesn't help atall without the hp behind it obviously this is especially so if I'm 1hp/7k at the time or even 1200 which is about my desperate move heal. For the record I have sieger with inibila. And rate cut lv 2 currently. And I have rate cut lv 2 on catura talisman. Post balance ofcourse I know I want a much more efficient rate cut and resist set. For me it all starts with the claw so I waiting to see if I will switch to special claw or stick with my Sauro l4 and build from there. So far for me nothin compares to my Sauro Fang l4.
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Post by Dragsbro on Jul 10, 2018 12:17:46 GMT
I guess he means, for attacks through clones. Although a classis resist set with Sieger plate should be very fine for those kind of attack, + other attacks in case of stun/blind/run out of clones You may be right. Up until now I always play 9 clone Eva auto attack with the occasional doc. If an attack gets through my clones I go from there. Anywhere from 8 to 27k hp has been enough to get by and manage to semi tank well enough for my party (2 hw) to efficiently farm. I feel rate cut doesn't help atall without the hp behind it obviously this is especially so if I'm 1hp/7k at the time or even 1200 which is about my desperate move heal. For the record I have sieger with inibila. And rate cut lv 2 currently. And I have rate cut lv 2 on catura talisman. Post balance ofcourse I know I want a much more efficient rate cut and resist set. For me it all starts with the claw so I waiting to see if I will switch to special claw or stick with my Sauro l4 and build from there. So far for me nothin compares to my Sauro Fang l4. ....welll...sauro L5 tomorrow LOL But why more rate cut post balance tho?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 12:31:01 GMT
I guess he means, for attacks through clones. Although a classis resist set with Sieger plate should be very fine for those kind of attack, + other attacks in case of stun/blind/run out of clones You may be right. Up until now I always play 9 clone Eva auto attack with the occasional doc. If an attack gets through my clones I go from there. Anywhere from 8 to 27k hp has been enough to get by and manage to semi tank well enough for my party (2 hw) to efficiently farm. I feel rate cut doesn't help atall without the hp behind it obviously this is especially so if I'm 1hp/7k at the time or even 1200 which is about my desperate move heal. For the record I have sieger with inibila. And rate cut lv 2 currently. And I have rate cut lv 2 on catura talisman. Post balance ofcourse I know I want a much more efficient rate cut and resist set. For me it all starts with the claw so I waiting to see if I will switch to special claw or stick with my Sauro l4 and build from there. So far for me nothin compares to my Sauro Fang l4. Assuming: • agi crt str = 400 • only weapons are equipped • no other damage sources • enemy def = 0 • enemy lv = player lv • new formula used Sauro fang l4 @290+0 Base atk = 1,910 Atk = 2,215 White damage = 2,505 Crt damage = 9,168 Mephisto claw @290+0 Base atk = 2,290 Atk = 2,748 White damage = 3,038 Crt damage = 10,633 Edit - melee pierce tho. L4 could be better depending on the situation.
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Post by Maxwello on Jul 10, 2018 12:40:42 GMT
Dragsbro I expect to get hit more often.. Jk.. Well I'm just guessing level 5 will benefit but ofcourse I could have should have might have had / those already but I didn't get that far yet. Also the new 3 clones I'm quite sure for me will be a massive game changer especially for fast hitting bosses so I'll do my best to have the ability to take a hit or 2 without sacrifice damage. that's basically it.
Oh l5 is gonna be mine for sure.
zura 422 str, 420 agi,425 crt, yeh
Would it be clear cut to Sauro 4 before rebalance?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 13:10:45 GMT
Dragsbro I expect to get hit more often.. Jk.. Well I'm just guessing level 5 will benefit but ofcourse I could have should have might have had / those already but I didn't get that far yet. Also the new 3 clones I'm quite sure for me will be a massive game changer especially for fast hitting bosses so I'll do my best to have the ability to take a hit or 2 without sacrifice damage. that's basically it. Oh l5 is gonna be mine for sure. zura 422 str, 420 agi,425 crt, yeh Would it be clear cut to Sauro 4 before rebalance? Kinda biased here, but my bet is on mephisto. It's a 14~16% damage difference vs 13% melee pierce. I'm building a separate pierce set for barriers, but normally I believe spec claw will deal better damage, especially since a better spec claw is coming out based on what I've seen in the test server. I've tested this new spec claw vs sauro fang l5 with an agi build and the spec claw won. If we're to talk about the build, agi crt str gr rd < str crt gr rd in terms of damage. However, the damage difference isn't very big (470k vs 550k iirc), plus the obvious eva and eva cap advantage. I was able to get 1k+ eva with just yin/yang with the agi build, while I only got 800~ish eva w/ makibishi & w/o agi.
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Post by wonderer on Jul 10, 2018 15:29:06 GMT
Maybe I can switch to agi build with spec claw instead of dex and use ogre shield. How about that? Since ogre shield doesn't affect physical evasion, which is exactly what agi gives.
And what is the stats of new special claw in JP iruna? From production or boss/rare mob drop?
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