Jophes
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Post by Jophes on Jun 21, 2018 0:00:46 GMT
Will there be any use for Grand Crusade once we get Shivaku Area? I mean just from reading the description, they seem to be practically the same thing won't it? I'm just curious.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2018 5:27:40 GMT
Will there be any use for Grand Crusade once we get Shivaku Area? I mean just from reading the description, they seem to be practically the same thing won't it? I'm just curious. From what I read, it seems to me that grand crusade protects allies from aoe (so something like a range cut+100% for pt members), while shivaku area transfers the damage your allies take to you. If you use shivaku and a yarde hits everyone with an aoe, you'll take the damage dealt to you + damage dealt to pt members by the yarde. If you use grand crusade instead, you only take the damage dealt to you by the yarde. Anyway, that's how I think it works. Pallies are quite the masochists xD |
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Jophes
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Post by Jophes on Jun 21, 2018 11:40:13 GMT
Will there be any use for Grand Crusade once we get Shivaku Area? I mean just from reading the description, they seem to be practically the same thing won't it? I'm just curious. From what I read, it seems to me that grand crusade protects allies from aoe (so something like a range cut+100% for pt members), while shivaku area transfers the damage your allies take to you. If you use shivaku and a yarde hits everyone with an aoe, you'll take the damage dealt to you + damage dealt to pt members by the yarde. If you use grand crusade instead, you only take the damage dealt to you by the yarde. Anyway, that's how I think it works. Pallies are quite the masochists xD That makes me wonder since Devotion is the same as GC, what is the activation rate for Devotion? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2018 11:45:08 GMT
From what I read, it seems to me that grand crusade protects allies from aoe (so something like a range cut+100% for pt members), while shivaku area transfers the damage your allies take to you. If you use shivaku and a yarde hits everyone with an aoe, you'll take the damage dealt to you + damage dealt to pt members by the yarde. If you use grand crusade instead, you only take the damage dealt to you by the yarde. Anyway, that's how I think it works. Pallies are quite the masochists xD That makes me wonder since Devotion is the same as GC, what is the activation rate for Devotion? My lack of pally knowledge and experience is showing now xD maybe I was talking about devotion when I said gc in the other post... And gc is a buff that buffs the buff called devotion xD Yazmat halp. |
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Blerfy
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Post by Blerfy on Jun 21, 2018 16:30:05 GMT
okay so
grand crusade strengthens the effect of devotion. Without grand crusade, devotion nullifies fewer aoe hits to ptmembers
and like Zura said, Shivaku Area transfers dmg taken from pt members to you as long as they're within the space.
Despite grand crusade, devotion will not protect you pt members 100% of the time. And grand crusade can only be used as long as you have exhaustion nullification, which is a buff you can only get (without a monk) after using oath. Which im sure you already knew. But because of this I find my self rarely using it, along with the short buff time.
Even if devotion protected pt members from aoe 100% of the time with GC its not all sunshine and rainbows. Idk why no one else has noticed, but I discovered on accident one day that I receive significantly more dmg with Grand Crusade. I think the reason why no one has noticed it is because the number for the "dmg recieved" stays the same despite the actual change in damage
So that makes a little more sense, I tested it after I noticed it. I equipped my self with my dmg gear at Baum Warriors and casted GC. Whenever it showed that I received 200 dmg, my hp went down by 2000... Multiple tests later, same result, and I still see this occurring. I'm not sure if this is a bug or hidden effect but man it sucks ._. I hate using GC now. Shivaku is gonna be like a miracle
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Blerfy
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Post by Blerfy on Jun 21, 2018 16:45:19 GMT
Related to my last post. In retrospect I should have equipped my fudo myoo for the first one lol..
looks like it went down around 2000 even when I received 1 dmg
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Jophes
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Post by Jophes on Jun 21, 2018 16:57:05 GMT
Gotcha. Yeah I noticed taking extra dmg myself too when I saw another Paladin test GC out and I wanted to check it. Also, even with the rebalance allowing us to use GC with 50% of Knight's Will, I don't see very much use for it like everyone seems to agree. If anything, it's something to entertain the pt members who've never seen it and look at how cool the animation is xD
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Blerfy
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Post by Blerfy on Jun 21, 2018 17:03:24 GMT
Gotcha. Yeah I noticed taking extra dmg myself too when I saw another Paladin test GC out and I wanted to check it. Also, even with the rebalance allowing us to use GC with 50% of Knight's Will, I don't see very much use for it like everyone seems to agree. If anything, it's something to entertain the pt members who've never seen it and look at how cool the animation is xD Ikr xD the animation is the best part about it |
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Jophes
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Post by Jophes on Jun 21, 2018 17:27:15 GMT
Gotcha. Yeah I noticed taking extra dmg myself too when I saw another Paladin test GC out and I wanted to check it. Also, even with the rebalance allowing us to use GC with 50% of Knight's Will, I don't see very much use for it like everyone seems to agree. If anything, it's something to entertain the pt members who've never seen it and look at how cool the animation is xD Ikr xD the animation is the best part about it What a waste of a cool looking skill q.q |
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Blerfy
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Post by Blerfy on Jun 21, 2018 17:39:27 GMT
Ikr xD the animation is the best part about it What a waste of a cool looking skill q.q agreed q.q I would have rathered we got another protect-looking animation than a new original animation for a skill that I hate using xD |
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Post by Krish (Retired Player) on Jun 21, 2018 18:35:11 GMT
okay so grand crusade strengthens the effect of devotion. Without grand crusade, devotion nullifies fewer aoe hits to ptmembers and like Zura said, Shivaku Area transfers dmg taken from pt members to you as long as they're within the space. Despite grand crusade, devotion will not protect you pt members 100% of the time. And grand crusade can only be used as long as you have exhaustion nullification, which is a buff you can only get (without a monk) after using oath. Which im sure you already knew. But because of this I find my self rarely using it, along with the short buff time. Even if devotion protected pt members from aoe 100% of the time with GC its not all sunshine and rainbows. Idk why no one else has noticed, but I discovered on accident one day that I receive significantly more dmg with Grand Crusade. I think the reason why no one has noticed it is because the number for the "dmg recieved" stays the same despite the actual change in damage So that makes a little more sense, I tested it after I noticed it. I equipped my self with my dmg gear at Baum Warriors and casted GC. Whenever it showed that I received 200 dmg, my hp went down by 2000... Multiple tests later, same result, and I still see this occurring. I'm not sure if this is a bug or hidden effect but man it sucks ._. I hate using GC now. Shivaku is gonna be like a miracle
According to the JP wiki, it also gives some hate rise as well. My verdict is that this skill is somewhat underwhelming because of how little it offers but it is still kind of useful in PT play.
Maybe perhaps that 2000 damage is the upper limit, or maybe it adds 2000 HP always as additional damage to you from any enemy's attack?
Shivaku Area also apparently raises the attack power for every member in it as far as I've seen, this probably includes magic classes as well?
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Yazmat
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Post by Yazmat on Jun 21, 2018 21:33:15 GMT
okay so grand crusade strengthens the effect of devotion. Without grand crusade, devotion nullifies fewer aoe hits to ptmembers and like Zura said, Shivaku Area transfers dmg taken from pt members to you as long as they're within the space. Despite grand crusade, devotion will not protect you pt members 100% of the time. And grand crusade can only be used as long as you have exhaustion nullification, which is a buff you can only get (without a monk) after using oath. Which im sure you already knew. But because of this I find my self rarely using it, along with the short buff time. Even if devotion protected pt members from aoe 100% of the time with GC its not all sunshine and rainbows. Idk why no one else has noticed, but I discovered on accident one day that I receive significantly more dmg with Grand Crusade. I think the reason why no one has noticed it is because the number for the "dmg recieved" stays the same despite the actual change in damage So that makes a little more sense, I tested it after I noticed it. I equipped my self with my dmg gear at Baum Warriors and casted GC. Whenever it showed that I received 200 dmg, my hp went down by 2000... Multiple tests later, same result, and I still see this occurring. I'm not sure if this is a bug or hidden effect but man it sucks ._. I hate using GC now. Shivaku is gonna be like a miracle GC's extra damage is known thing... or at least was known when it was released As far as I remember (since I never use it) if you don't have a pet or you are not in a party you won't get the extra damage... but then it will be useless... You should only use GC if there is a healer around and you are against a boss with some very huge AoE |
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Post by Blerfy on Jun 22, 2018 3:14:53 GMT
okay so grand crusade strengthens the effect of devotion. Without grand crusade, devotion nullifies fewer aoe hits to ptmembers and like Zura said, Shivaku Area transfers dmg taken from pt members to you as long as they're within the space. Despite grand crusade, devotion will not protect you pt members 100% of the time. And grand crusade can only be used as long as you have exhaustion nullification, which is a buff you can only get (without a monk) after using oath. Which im sure you already knew. But because of this I find my self rarely using it, along with the short buff time. Even if devotion protected pt members from aoe 100% of the time with GC its not all sunshine and rainbows. Idk why no one else has noticed, but I discovered on accident one day that I receive significantly more dmg with Grand Crusade. I think the reason why no one has noticed it is because the number for the "dmg recieved" stays the same despite the actual change in damage So that makes a little more sense, I tested it after I noticed it. I equipped my self with my dmg gear at Baum Warriors and casted GC. Whenever it showed that I received 200 dmg, my hp went down by 2000... Multiple tests later, same result, and I still see this occurring. I'm not sure if this is a bug or hidden effect but man it sucks ._. I hate using GC now. Shivaku is gonna be like a miracle GC's extra damage is known thing... or at least was known when it was released As far as I remember (since I never use it) if you don't have a pet or you are not in a party you won't get the extra damage... but then it will be useless... You should only use GC if there is a healer around and you are against a boss with some very huge AoE I didn't realize most people knew, people never talk about it xD Well I found out about it while I was boosting someone (little newb kept attacking), and in the video test I posted I didnt even summon my pet, so I think it's safe to say the extra damage occurs no matter what. Regardless, I completely agree. GC should only be used when its necessary. |
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