weikai
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Level 320 Ninja (DOC)
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Post by weikai on Apr 24, 2018 20:27:12 GMT
Hey guys, I am an auto attack (DOC+Phantom flame) Ninja with agi crt str build. lvl 320
I was wondering which one is better:
Ira (Strengthened 2) Complete: ATK +16% Magic Evasion +10% Critical rate +25% Autoskill +10% Critical damage +7% Melee +1% Melee R -25% MaxMP +15%
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Ultimi (Strengthened 2)
Complete: ATK +12% MATK +16% Critical rate +10 Critical damage +10% Skill Delay -1.0s Item Delay -1.0s Accuracy +100 Absolute Evasion +10% Melee +600
(i'm assuming ultimi str 3 is not out yet..)
I'm planning to buy Dorry, for which ever one is better, i'm really hoping that Ultimi is better, because i've already invested into raton.. soon buying almas.
Thanks in advance!
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Post by pingrek on Apr 24, 2018 20:36:43 GMT
Hey guys, I am an auto attack (DOC+Phantom flame) Ninja with agi crt str build. lvl 320 I was wondering which one is better: Ira (Strengthened 2) Complete: ATK +16% Magic Evasion +10% Critical rate +25% Autoskill +10% Critical damage +7% Melee +1% Melee R -25% MaxMP +15% OR Ultimi (Strengthened 2) Complete: ATK +12% MATK +16% Critical rate +10 Critical damage +10% Skill Delay -1.0s Item Delay -1.0s Accuracy +100 Absolute Evasion +10% Melee +600 (i'm assuming ultimi str 3 is not out yet..) I'm planning to buy Dorry, for which ever one is better, i'm really hoping that Ultimi is better, because i've already invested into raton.. soon buying almas. Thanks in advance! I believe tests have been done already and ira reup wins against ultimi reup |
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weikai
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Level 320 Ninja (DOC)
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Post by weikai on Apr 24, 2018 20:39:08 GMT
ah... crap.. Then what the hell is the point of paying sooo much for ultimi when Ira is better?
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weikai
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Level 320 Ninja (DOC)
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Post by weikai on Apr 24, 2018 21:00:07 GMT
so... as it stands, IRA is better than Ultimi? So i guess it will only be worth all the money when Ultimi gets up 3..
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Post by pingrek on Apr 24, 2018 21:47:10 GMT
so... as it stands, IRA is better than Ultimi? So i guess it will only be worth all the money when Ultimi gets up 3.. For now yes but when the update comes along and clones are maxed out at 3 then ultimi will be a good armor choice for your build to make a doc spam set, but that's months away until all the rebalancing for classes is done and possible bugs worked out |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2018 11:36:27 GMT
so... as it stands, IRA is better than Ultimi? So i guess it will only be worth all the money when Ultimi gets up 3.. For now yes but when the update comes along and clones are maxed out at 3 then ultimi will be a good armor choice for your build to make a doc spam set, but that's months away until all the rebalancing for classes is done and possible bugs worked out I'm not sure about ira, but in the test server boo up w/ iniliba + aldi > ultimi re up w/ 2 aldi |
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Post by powerranger on Apr 27, 2018 12:12:19 GMT
imo ultimi is better for magic ninja.
u r auto atk so ira will be much better.
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Post by Makina Yuki on Apr 27, 2018 12:28:30 GMT
imo ultimi is better for magic ninja. u r auto atk so ira will be much better. Wrong, Ultimi is not good for Magic Ninja. Magic ninja use either boo or struggler. Ultimi for sk ninja, not magic ninja. |
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Post by pingrek on Apr 27, 2018 14:10:08 GMT
For now yes but when the update comes along and clones are maxed out at 3 then ultimi will be a good armor choice for your build to make a doc spam set, but that's months away until all the rebalancing for classes is done and possible bugs worked out I'm not sure about ira, but in the test server boo up w/ iniliba + aldi > ultimi re up w/ 2 aldi I'm not overly suprised boo ini/aldi did better since your mixing raw atk, atk%, and crt dmg% versus mainly crt dmg% from ultimi aldi×2 |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2018 20:55:06 GMT
I'm not sure about ira, but in the test server boo up w/ iniliba + aldi > ultimi re up w/ 2 aldi I'm not overly suprised boo ini/aldi did better since your mixing raw atk, atk%, and crt dmg% versus mainly crt dmg% from ultimi aldi×2 I was actually quite surprised. If you compare their stats, cancelling ones that are similar, the deciding stats are atk up by str from boo up set vs atk+12% & crt dmg +22% from ultimi re up set. To think boo won shows how much the crt dmg nerf will affect us in the future. Also, I think ultimi re up set actually has a pretty nice balance of atk and crt dmg (+32% & +34% respectively). Edit - although it does lack some raw atk+ |
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Post by powerranger on Apr 28, 2018 4:37:46 GMT
imo ultimi is better for magic ninja. u r auto atk so ira will be much better. Wrong, Ultimi is not good for Magic Ninja. Magic ninja use either boo or struggler. Ultimi for sk ninja, not magic ninja. i know about that. the OP only mention ira and ultimi. so i didnt bring other armor.. in short: magic ninja will pick ultimi than ira. and auto attack will pick ira than ultimi..cmiiw ^_^ |
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Post by Crysta| on Apr 28, 2018 5:29:20 GMT
Wrong, Ultimi is not good for Magic Ninja. Magic ninja use either boo or struggler. Ultimi for sk ninja, not magic ninja. i know about that. the OP only mention ira and ultimi. so i didnt bring other armor.. in short: magic ninja will pick ultimi than ira. and auto attack will pick ira than ultimi..cmiiw ^_^ If I post asking which is better, Leather Coat or Iron Armor? Would you not bring it to my attention there are other armor in which to choose? |
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Post by Makina Yuki on Apr 28, 2018 6:48:49 GMT
powerranger Dont give miss conseption to other player, magic ninja =/= sk eventhough they had same build. Ultimi is not even good choice for magic ninja. For sk? yea ultimi is best for now. But for magic, ultimi is meh. If you said sk instead magic I will not give this statement, so dont give wrong idea to other player who dont know about magic ninja.
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weikai
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Post by weikai on Apr 28, 2018 10:24:05 GMT
Thanks everyone, i guess i'll stick to IRA for now.  |
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Post by AizenSou [Quitting] on Apr 29, 2018 15:03:39 GMT
If you're going all out on DoC with PF for one shotting then Ira is FTW, Ultimi Str3 doesn't make a huge gap anyway just wait for Ira Str3 it'll have reverse the condition
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