♪Sumire
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Post by ♪Sumire on Feb 14, 2018 14:25:52 GMT
i like making alot of new alts back when the gears needed isnt too expensive now i have to choose carefully on which char to make next cause its gonna cost ridiculously -- very hard to try and test new builds for a certain class when ur spina making capability is slow
i still loved my main chars -- my alche and hw nvr went through the delete-create-delete cycle -- and the only chars i ever spent real money on --
back to topic
yeah i noticed this with my newbie guildies -- they havent finished their first char yet theyll move on making another one cause of some popular reasons
for example - hw -- this class gets an aoe early and u can farm mobs fast ninja -- easy mq with vacc/pots and clones mins -- leeching capability bishops -- cause they witness this guys killing 3i faster than u can say ; mother hens little chickens -- yeah all they see is sh and think they can do it as well sniper -- cause someone on youtube is dealing 600k-1m arrow rain -- they dont know hide atk exist ninja normal bow -- cause they see vids of ppl spamming doc / 1 hitting almas/raton with pf etc samurai auto -- cause they see awesome dmg and aspd monk auto -- same reason as samurai and many more .....................................................................................
maybe for future reference, video makers should include some explanatios as to how it works [class theyre showing] since some newbie players only see the dmg not the steps behind what the player is doing
[ps - not sure how to define finishing a char -- im satisfied with my chars current status even if theyre not capped nor have op weaps /specs/ high apos etc]
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♪Sumire
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Summoner new skills pls *-*
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Post by ♪Sumire on Feb 14, 2018 14:34:01 GMT
Ninja must be nerf due to their ridiculous tank system. Ive read JP balance will try to make u choose if wanna more survival or want more dmg instead What ridiculous tank system? replace ridiculous tank system to ridiculous survivality without dropping dmg some rich af sk players prepares cap resist set for the stun / quick use/item delay set for spamming antidotes/cures/vaccs when needed -- cant remember where i see it but an sk nin with cap resist set taking only 10 dmg from ouivel xD
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Makina Yuki
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Post by Makina Yuki on Feb 14, 2018 14:40:29 GMT
♪Sumire With resist set, all class can have good survival. However, class that has better survival in general will had better survival than ninja with resist set if they use resist set as well. Moreover, resist set sometimes not work at certain boss. For example, try use resist set as ninja in meelis & leviam. You still easily died because their special attack will ignore clone, stone skin, and even resist gear (unless you can kill them in no time).
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Post by Crysta| on Feb 14, 2018 22:20:06 GMT
Makina YukiI can show you a ninja solo leviam but meelis is the one that needs very fast kill.
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Post by Crysta| on Feb 14, 2018 22:54:25 GMT
Back on topic now, I can see from responses its the result of missing or incomplete information. Naturally we want to accent our strengths and avoid our weaknesses, but this human nature is amplified in the gaming community.
How can we encourage player X to fully describe their playstyle to player Y? Preferably without shattering their delicate ego.
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Makina Yuki
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Post by Makina Yuki on Feb 14, 2018 23:05:30 GMT
Makina YukiI can show you a ninja solo leviam but meelis is the one that needs very fast kill. No need, I believe that ninja can do them with right knowledge because I soloed leviam as ninja without lge xD and I saw sk can kill meelis (yea need fast kill). Sadly, many new ninja (especially agi crt one) didnt realize this fact that you need different strategies to kill them.
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Post by Crysta| on Feb 14, 2018 23:33:10 GMT
Makina YukiI can show you a ninja solo leviam but meelis is the one that needs very fast kill. No need, I believe that ninja can do them with right knowledge because I soloed leviam as ninja without lge xD and I saw sk can kill meelis (yea need fast kill). Sadly, many new ninja (especially agi crt one) didnt realize this fact that you need different strategies to kill them. i don't blame them for choosing agi crt build, it is in my opinion the most newbie friendly class+build. I do blame them for being closed minded like saying X class can't solo Y boss.
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Dragsbro
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I'm kind of a necromancer, as in playing with SK is just toying with dead stuff at this point
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Post by Dragsbro on Feb 15, 2018 0:43:07 GMT
Back on topic now, I can see from responses its the result of missing or incomplete information. Naturally we want to accent our strengths and avoid our weaknesses, but this human nature is amplified in the gaming community. How can we encourage player X to fully describe their playstyle to player Y? Preferably without shattering their delicate ego. When i was super refining my Fuma (the most social times of my life) in Bailune, i met plenty new players... Some were really newbies and i didn't have much difficulties guiding either because they had real wishes for either -their gameplay preferences (for instance i got "I love bows and critical damages!" and i was like "TO SNIPER WE GO") -for classes too though, even tho they wouldn't know a bit of how those classes work, they simply love to play as X class in general in games ("I wanna be paladin/ninja/Wizard") And then...there were the newbies that searched up infos before connecting...and god was it a disaster .___. None of the newbs from the first category directly came at me like "lv me pls pls", they just saw me standing here and asked for infos about classes/skills/technical stuff. But i got many "newbs" (many prolly weren't new but welp) coming at me convinced i'd lvl them right away to become 0 because they'd higher my EXP in my pt I think the safest way not to confuse new players isn't to tell them what they could do as X high-level class, but advise them on what class(es) they'd better go for based on what they'd like to do at high-level. Oh and don't give examples out of people. Newbs came at me asking SK stuff and i was like, er, why SK if i can ask? And they all answered, because they wanted to deal tons of dmg and theyve been told sk was best dps. Lemme be clear, i don't blame people for wanting the class with the highest DPS, i mean personnaly it might be my 2nd or 3rd more important criteria for class selection in games so i can understand, but yo...ninja ain't the best dps... So in order for newbs to start the game well informed already, well...they'd need to come on this forum or to be lucky enough to stumble upon a knowledgeable player, contrary to 80% of the cases xD
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♪Sumire
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Summoner new skills pls *-*
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Post by ♪Sumire on Feb 15, 2018 4:54:27 GMT
♪Sumire With resist set, all class can have good survival. However, class that has better survival in general will had better survival than ninja with resist set if they use resist set as well. Moreover, resist set sometimes not work at certain boss. For example, try use resist set as ninja in meelis & leviam. You still easily died because their special attack will ignore clone, stone skin, and even resist gear (unless you can kill them in no time). but u can counter leviam with hp drain or hp pots -- hence with the right knowledge any class can solo mq -- nowadays its just a matter of who can kill the fastest without dying on meelis you can also counter it as a agi crt build -- once u see the green circle -- run dont atk just run --2 scenarios ull either get drag back to the that green circle then get stun but wont die since u dragged meelis away -- or ull dodge the stun -- prepare eyedrops as well -- u also have raiton to paralyze the boss -- cast time issue-- use eventail and arrogant dragon fang i think that was the name of the spec that cuts cast time based on crt havent died anymore on meelis with that trick -- also having a good pet will do the trick -- doesnt need to be a boss pet but just a good pet on leviam -- timing is also a key since the special atks are pretty much close to hp triggered sequence mamonea is abit of a problem though -- too many stuns / direct hp attack /paralyze debuff / hp debuff / and theyre not even triggered on their hp portion -- random x.x
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Makina Yuki
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Post by Makina Yuki on Feb 15, 2018 8:07:14 GMT
♪Sumire True, especially using hp drain gear part at leviam (its my trick to solo leviam as agi crt ninja back then :3). Newbies need know that they need correct equipment & knowledge to solo bosses, not only Op equip or high level char xD.
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Post by toru on Feb 15, 2018 15:21:33 GMT
Of course i do cloning is overpowered, you just need some -item delay and vaccine, and about stuns, not sk, but agi based ninjas can still avoid death. Ninja was a class to have a balance between Magic attacks and Physical attacks (like most rpgs), while some nice survival skills, but making every damage received to 0,and continually generating cloned it's too much for them.
By the way, don't mix Tank and Support.
Tank= Role who can take highs amounts of damage. Support= Role who keeps the party buffed and alive. Dps= Role who deals Damage, either DoT, Per second, or explosive damage. Debuff support "obstructer" =Support Role that aims on debuff enemies instead on buffing allies.
So yes of course i say asobimo must balance some classes because they do too much stuff and here comes the Meta-game. Why would someone go pally when Bishop+HW or SK does same job with brtter results. Why would someone go servant while minstrel with delay and JV buff even more? Why would someone go gladiator when actually a DoC ninja does better than him (all this talking about same gear/lv/stats)
I know this is off topic on thread but don't come and tell ninjas/hw/mins are weak because they aren't and think that if they're weak then why would asobimo balance these classes?
And I'm talking with enough experience cuz im playing iruna since Finstern was the last mq.
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