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Oct 22, 2017 23:59:31 GMT
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Post by ruebear on Oct 22, 2017 23:59:31 GMT
I feel discriminated against as a Minstrel š.
I feel like as a Minstrel you can get away with some things, like level or how many songs you can sing depending what you're farming/grinding.
I mean I'm only a Lvl241 Minstrel, but I have over -7sd and I have a heal set with veltria, and I can sing 4 songs, what more do you want? I feel if you have all of those, level shouldn't really shouldn't matter in most cases, but I guess not. Trying to get -9, don't patronize me šš.
Also I don't like Jade Ricus, it actually lowers my heals and the auto only works if you're on standby, so I don't see how that works if you're in a boss fight. But I guess it's a requirement for Minstrels now?
I mean at least ask me if I have enough skill delay or veltria.
Also do you guys think it's a requirement for all non classes without no heal skill to get veltria?
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Jen~
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Post by Jen~ on Oct 23, 2017 0:05:15 GMT
I think having a veltria would be beneficial for everyone honestly. Yesterday I went to help a guildie that was a 224 gladiator for parazaia and I was there just for heal and a res here n there. I ended up using 6 wind boss arks and we couldnt do it until I pted another bish that just arrived for mq too. I ended up tanking and the other bish healed my guildie but my point is I probably wouldnt have needed to use 6 wind arks if they had veltria handy. I even suggested that having a veltria would be nice but I guess paying 30m is too much. Honestly I didnt tell them to buy it specifically, he could have farmed it cx
Also if i was in a pt, I would pick those ppl that know how to do their job properly over, say, a capped mins who has 1 sec sd. I would pt you anyday except im too weak šš
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Makina Yuki
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Oct 23, 2017 1:41:01 GMT
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Post by Makina Yuki on Oct 23, 2017 1:41:01 GMT
Usually Jade ricus used to make more heal you received from joy and sorrow or bless so your mins hp will not easily droped. I think main reason why many ppl wanted jade and velt mins because they want more safety at boss field or 3i (especially for aoe party at 3i).
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Post by āĀ°EmiĀ°ā [lurking on forum] on Oct 23, 2017 1:58:59 GMT
Speaking as an experianced minstrel, I donāt see jade ricus nor veltria as ārequirementsā to be a minstrel, but rather useful things to have as a minstrel.
What are minstrels supposed to do?
In a farm PT, I try to do whatever I can to make things easier for the bishop. Having jade ricus + joy & sorrow really helps my HP recovery in a time consuming boss bc bishop focusing on the 2 other DPS should be a priority for them, not the minstrel.
Also, when a PT member dies and the bishop isnāt able to heal them right away, itās no one elseās but your job as a minstrel to heal them. You shouldnāt expect a DPS to change their equip to use veltria. Meanwhile, us, minstrels, are free to heal them while the songs are cast.
(I like to use Jade ricus with Veltria so i can heal asap when I need to)
Lastly, the 1k auto HP rec (w/jns or bless) is also very useful when youāre soloing or using dragonewt as well since it constantly consumes HP.
Though, I do agree that level shouldnāt matter. It should be about the knowledge you have, not how high your level is.
These are just my opinions tho. Play your minstrel the way you want it to be o.o/
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Oct 23, 2017 4:39:47 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 4:39:47 GMT
I never thought Minstrels still being discriminate. Maybe it just way too competitive enough to get into party.
That being said maybe you had to adapt some of the changes according to party need...
You try to be versatile enough to fits into different type of party
So if most party looking for Jade Ricus Veltria type minstrel then go for it.
I still remember back in the days when Jade Ricus was 1st release it is not even famous even among minstrel or widely know by community.
However since Sauro II release I can see the needs of Jade Ricus Minstrels increasing. I been using Jade Ricus since it 1st release didn't having any problem of getting party during Sauro II release thus benefits a lot since I can get into party easy until there are too many JV minstrel camping there q.q.
However I haven't see someone shouting "Lfp Queen of The Night Minstrel" yet since it is one of the equip that benefits from Joy and Sorrow still which perfectly work against boss that delete HP.MP and debuff such as Isurugi Statue in Minaula Raid, Bancho Muscle or even Raton
Also if you are DEX build I feel it is not really necessary for you to achieve - 9 sec skill delay unless you planning to counter delay debuff from some boss such as Cordal (+2sec delay) without relying on Bishop's Quick skill.
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Post by āŖSumire on Oct 23, 2017 8:03:52 GMT
I never thought Minstrels still being discriminate. Maybe it just way too competitive enough to get into party. That being said maybe you had to adapt some of the changes according to party need... You try to be versatile enough to fits into different type of party So if most party looking for Jade Ricus Veltria type minstrel then go for it. I still remember back in the days when Jade Ricus was 1st release it is not even famous even among minstrel or widely know by community. However since Sauro II release I can see the needs of Jade Ricus Minstrels increasing. I been using Jade Ricus since it 1st release didn't having any problem of getting party during Sauro II release thus benefits a lot since I can get into party easy until there are too many JV minstrel camping there q.q. However I haven't see someone shouting "Lfp Queen of The Night Minstrel" yet since it is one of the equip that benefits from Joy and Sorrow still which perfectly work against boss that delete HP.MP and debuff such as Isurugi Statue in Minaula Raid, Bancho Muscle or even Raton Also if you are DEX build I feel it is not really necessary for you to achieve - 9 sec skill delay unless you planning to counter delay debuff from some boss such as Cordal (+2sec delay) without relying on Bishop's Quick skill. lfp queen of the night user here -- paired with self healing and joy -- easy maintain hp as a solo xD -- plus i dont have to drop my dmg since im an int dex crt mins (no plan of becoming sk so please spare me that discriminating look xD) -- i did a test with jade vs queen of the night both with self healing buff queen of the night heals 900 spam regen jade heals 1.3k not sure how itll works with life song -- i havent got that skill yet xD ALSO its way better than jade since queen of night boost both hp/mp recovery -- not gonna run out of mp anytime of day xD |
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Oct 23, 2017 8:09:54 GMT
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Post by Eaysley on Oct 23, 2017 8:09:54 GMT
The competition is just too high.
Open an LFM minstrel and there will be lots to come in. Expect the parties to be picky.
I personally prefer my mins to be JV (JV or bye) especially when I'm bishop.
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Oct 23, 2017 22:10:17 GMT
Post by nic123 on Oct 23, 2017 22:10:17 GMT
For a mins level shouldnt matter, equips do tho
I mean jade is like 30m, if they cant atleast buy a jade ns and a veltria i wouldnt pt the mins either.
Mins has it easy tho lol, try being a non sh class other than bish and mins
And being under 240 lfp at 3is, however mq takes jobs far enuf to be useful to a pt now so eh
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Post by ricmoon on Oct 24, 2017 13:40:40 GMT
From a bish perspective:
We(or me) are not trying to be lazy but jade ricus + self healing mins can really help the efficiency of a pt. Instead that bish focuses on healing minstrel, we can just focus on resu. Resu is an imprtant part in pt especially if its a fast run. A sec we spend on healing a mins can save a life already(avoid a dps or front liners to be killed).
Same idea that I dont rely on quick for spamming resu as it can be too late already.
Also its cringy if we heal mins more often than healing + resu the two dps. Imagine that xD.
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Oct 25, 2017 11:57:00 GMT
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Post by Magic Sheep on Oct 25, 2017 11:57:00 GMT
I honestly feel sad about minstrel because they can't torture things with their song
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Oct 25, 2017 13:50:50 GMT
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Post by ricmoon on Oct 25, 2017 13:50:50 GMT
I honestly feel sad about minstrel because they can't torture things with their song You shouldnt be. Dps relies to mins, no mins less damage. xD |
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Oct 26, 2017 8:14:58 GMT
Post by āŖSumire on Oct 26, 2017 8:14:58 GMT
I honestly feel sad about minstrel because they can't torture things with their song not true xD theres already a few mins who rised up to the challenge solo mins and dnewt mins who deals better dmg than fake ninjas xD people who says mins cant solo pie means they havent bothered to capitalize on the potential of mins --or havent even tried to u se a mins before cant blame them though --since most mins only carries song and leech set |
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Post by EP Opheia on Oct 26, 2017 14:06:55 GMT
I honestly feel sad about minstrel because they can't torture things with their song not true xD theres already a few mins who rised up to the challenge solo mins and dnewt mins who deals better dmg than fake ninjas xD people who says mins cant solo pie means they havent bothered to capitalize on the potential of mins --or havent even tried to u se a mins before cant blame them though --since most mins only carries song and leech set Leech set.. yes. Songs? Maybe a few of the main ones people usually want, but they hardly ever have them all. I have a Mins, but whenever I play on my Bishop I don't get my hopes up for them, and vice versa. If they're going to just buff and stay in 1 spot (unless I'm careless and don't care if Mins get aggro.. lol) then at least do a little Dnewt. I mostly discriminate against the ones who cannot keep up the songs, that's about it. I level with my bishop a lot, so it won't be a problem even if a Mins doesn't have a full delay set. As for Veltria it's just useful to have one, period. |
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