Kamisama
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Post by Kamisama on Jun 19, 2017 23:16:30 GMT
yep and as seen in the demonstration solo vids of gatekeeper and whitefox for the smartmage high wizard guide when they use fatal ratecut attacks that pretty much ignores the capped resistance set i spammed the lges for running away from boss aggro to rebuff grigori mirage etc before charging back into battle and continued fighting until victory so yes your right its practically useless if you cant fight at 1hp being quick enough to spam it without buffs unless to run away from boss aggro to rebuff and head back into battle provided you could spam it using item delay while the bosses attempts to keep rekilling you as you make your escape from their aggro ^^ Think of a solo play scenario where a boss's 1 hit kills both pet and player, and the class can't resu or drain himself. the class and build is a glass cannon with -3s IDT. In this scenario, it breaks game balance. especially if that revive he needs is enough to kill the boss on a second hit. Anyways, I was just posting here regarding LGE. I think it's bug, I stated why. You think it's not, and stated your reasons. Whether it really is a bug or not really depends on the people who can read LGE's effect script. There's an area bug in Inneban Ruins, common sense says it's a bug. Maybe it's not. To me and many others, common sense says LGE is a bug. Maybe it's not. Only those who check the game script would really know. Just to be clear, I'm fine with bug use, as long as people report it as they go. i see please let us know when you get asobimos reply here about lges with copypaste about it since you supposedly mailed them at june 14 and june19 as of now and i have a backup plan to revive smartmage but not as a high wizard but as a smartmage sk magic ninja using ausfea defeat death during ignite method and keep capped 95% resistance set for when stunned and only some tweaking to the offensive set and al crysta set the item delay will be reduced to 2.5 sec by taking away either sauro 2 or maelriel from the al crystas of vatendeth irai leviam sauro 2 maelriel for ausfea al crysta to cancel defeat during ignite and a restat to 400+int 400+crit 175 vit(for struggler because magic lol and also to make use of the capped resistance set) 256 dex 100exp 100ignite and rest points to vit if get extra points and the reduced to 2.5 sec item delay is still useful to spam all vaccines and mp recovery pots and would make a guide on it for if asobimo decides lge is a bug and if it is confirmed not a bug i wont have to make the guide to revive the smartmage as a sk magic ninja and leave it as the way it is now as the smartmage high wizard^^
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Post by AianLacruzel on Jun 19, 2017 23:23:16 GMT
AianLacruzel off topic, but what's that area bug you wrote about? Never heard of it. It's on F1. It's like when you go up Rokoko trees.
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Post by AianLacruzel on Jun 19, 2017 23:29:16 GMT
Think of a solo play scenario where a boss's 1 hit kills both pet and player, and the class can't resu or drain himself. the class and build is a glass cannon with -3s IDT. In this scenario, it breaks game balance. especially if that revive he needs is enough to kill the boss on a second hit. Anyways, I was just posting here regarding LGE. I think it's bug, I stated why. You think it's not, and stated your reasons. Whether it really is a bug or not really depends on the people who can read LGE's effect script. There's an area bug in Inneban Ruins, common sense says it's a bug. Maybe it's not. To me and many others, common sense says LGE is a bug. Maybe it's not. Only those who check the game script would really know. Just to be clear, I'm fine with bug use, as long as people report it as they go. i see let us know when you get asobimos reply here about lges with copypaste about it since you supposedly mailed them at june 14 and i have a backup plan to revive smartmage but not as a high wizard but as a smartmage sk magic ninja using ausfea defeat death during ignite method and keep capped 95% resistance set for when stunned and only some tweaking to the offensive set and al crysta set the item delay will be reduced to 2.5 sec by taking away either sauro 2 or maelriel from the al crystas of vatendeth irai leviam sauro 2 maelriel for ausfea al crysta to cancel defeat during ignite and a restat to 400+int 400+crit 175 vit 256 dex 100exp 100ignite and rest points to vit if get extra points and the reduced to 2.5 sec item delay is still useful to spam all vaccines and mp recovery pots and would make a guide on it for if asobimo decides lge is a bug and if it is confirmed not a bug i wont have to make the guide to revive the smartmage as a sk magic ninja and leave it as the way it is now as the smartmage high wizard^^ Yes it is good to have a backup if in the future, LGE effect gets "fixed".
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Kamisama
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Post by Kamisama on Jun 19, 2017 23:31:58 GMT
i see let us know when you get asobimos reply here about lges with copypaste about it since you supposedly mailed them at june 14 and i have a backup plan to revive smartmage but not as a high wizard but as a smartmage sk magic ninja using ausfea defeat death during ignite method and keep capped 95% resistance set for when stunned and only some tweaking to the offensive set and al crysta set the item delay will be reduced to 2.5 sec by taking away either sauro 2 or maelriel from the al crystas of vatendeth irai leviam sauro 2 maelriel for ausfea al crysta to cancel defeat during ignite and a restat to 400+int 400+crit 175 vit 256 dex 100exp 100ignite and rest points to vit if get extra points and the reduced to 2.5 sec item delay is still useful to spam all vaccines and mp recovery pots and would make a guide on it for if asobimo decides lge is a bug and if it is confirmed not a bug i wont have to make the guide to revive the smartmage as a sk magic ninja and leave it as the way it is now as the smartmage high wizard^^ Yes it is good to have a backup if in the future, LGE effect gets "fixed". thanks and can you please answer my question i am wondering if you could please let us know when you got asobimos response to your mail asking about wether lge is a bug or not as its been pretty much a week since you asked them since page 7 of this guide june 14th?
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Post by AianLacruzel on Jun 19, 2017 23:41:03 GMT
Yes it is good to have a backup if in the future, LGE effect gets "fixed". thanks and if you can answer my question could you please let us know when you got asobimos response to your mail asking about wether lge is a bug or not as its been pretty much a week since you asked them since page 7 of this guide june 14th? I'll post it after I get a response.
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Kamisama
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Post by Kamisama on Jun 19, 2017 23:42:10 GMT
thanks and if you can answer my question could you please let us know when you got asobimos response to your mail asking about wether lge is a bug or not as its been pretty much a week since you asked them since page 7 of this guide june 14th? I'll post it after I get a response. ok thank you ^^
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Post by AianLacruzel on Jun 22, 2017 1:48:36 GMT
I'll post it after I get a response. ok thank you ^^ I still don't have a reply (not even the usual bot) so I sent another message to them. This time in the form of an inquiry instead of a bug report. This is my question, I'll post here for reference: "Is the Death Revival/Prevention effect of the consumable item Light Green Egg an intended hidden effect or a bug?"
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Post by Kamisama on Jun 22, 2017 1:53:58 GMT
I still don't have a reply (not even the usual bot) so I sent another message to them. This time in the form of an inquiry instead of a bug report. This is my question, I'll post here for reference: "Is the Death Revival/Prevention effect of the consumable item Light Green Egg an intended hidden effect or a bug?" oh i see yeah i was wondering if they are ever going to give response and that looks like it might grab their attention then please let us know when you got the response from them alright?thanks ^^
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Post by AianLacruzel on Jun 22, 2017 22:23:34 GMT
I still don't have a reply (not even the usual bot) so I sent another message to them. This time in the form of an inquiry instead of a bug report. This is my question, I'll post here for reference: "Is the Death Revival/Prevention effect of the consumable item Light Green Egg an intended hidden effect or a bug?" oh i see yeah i was wondering if they are ever going to give response and that looks like it might grab their attention then please let us know when you got the response from them alright?thanks ^^ As OP already knows, Asobimo's reply can be known here: irunaonline.boards.net/thread/27376/asobimos-reply-light-green-effect
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Kamisama
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Post by Kamisama on Jun 22, 2017 22:31:00 GMT
thank you very much for linking asobimos response answer here ^^
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Post by NightBreeze on Jun 23, 2017 0:08:09 GMT
Kamisama you don't have to depend on lge. Just replace all those quick use abilities with rate cut. Problem solved.
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Kamisama
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Post by Kamisama on Jun 23, 2017 0:18:16 GMT
Kamisama you don't have to depend on lge. Just replace all those quick use abilities with rate cut. Problem solved. i know but i have hard time trusting just ratecut% because while the 100% hp damage of ratecut can be reduced to 80% if we count catura talisman with lvl 5 4 3 2 1 (which some equipments containing them is rarely seen on stalls)of the abilities what if right after it did that 80% rate damage it does another rate damage 80% right after the first one without something that cancels the defeat(lge that has already been confirmed)?rip x.x or maybe if have ratecut abilities have some lges in shortcut and if it does rate damage use one in case boss tries to do another rate attack after you tanked the first one?^^
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Post by NightBreeze on Jun 23, 2017 0:26:49 GMT
Kamisama you don't have to depend on lge. Just replace all those quick use abilities with rate cut. Problem solved. i know but i have hard time trusting just ratecut% because while the 100% hp damage of ratecut can be reduced to 80% if we count catura talisman with lvl 5 4 3 2 1 of the abilities what if right after it did that 80% rate damage it does another rate damage 80% right after the first one without something that cancels the defeat(lge that has already been confirmed)?rip x.x or maybe if have ratecut abilities have some lges in shortcut and if it does rate damage use one in case boss tries to do another rate attack after you tanked the first one?^^ Catura + lv 5 4 3 2 1 = rate cut +65%. If you add a Malti AL, it's 75%. You can even survive 3 rate attacks in a row.
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Kamisama
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Post by Kamisama on Jun 23, 2017 0:30:32 GMT
i know but i have hard time trusting just ratecut% because while the 100% hp damage of ratecut can be reduced to 80% if we count catura talisman with lvl 5 4 3 2 1 of the abilities what if right after it did that 80% rate damage it does another rate damage 80% right after the first one without something that cancels the defeat(lge that has already been confirmed)?rip x.x or maybe if have ratecut abilities have some lges in shortcut and if it does rate damage use one in case boss tries to do another rate attack after you tanked the first one?^^ Catura + lv 5 4 3 2 1 = rate cut +65%. If you add a Malti AL, it's 75%. You can even survive 3 rate attacks in a row. understood i will add this to the guide with some survival advice to still carry some lges in shortcut for crucial moments where they would be very vulnerable such as being at 30% hp or so after tanking 2 or so rate damage attacks to follow the always be prepared to survive motto thanks ^^
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Post by Zensui_X on Jun 23, 2017 9:20:49 GMT
Catura + lv 5 4 3 2 1 = rate cut +65%. If you add a Malti AL, it's 75%. You can even survive 3 rate attacks in a row. understood i will add this to the guide with some survival advice to still carry some lges in shortcut for crucial moments where they would be very vulnerable such as being at 30% hp or so after tanking 2 or so rate damage attacks to follow the always be prepared to survive motto thanks ^^ If you're too much concern about Rate Cut then use Lucioscudo Up instead of Sieger Plate, it has 4% more Melee&Magic R, and Rate Cut +15%
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