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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2016 14:17:50 GMT
But we were talking about the magic counter set o.o you have to get hit for a 'magic' counter to proc whereas with the eva counter set you have to evade for a 'physical' counter to proc. I didn't find it relevant since the topic was about magic counters. 2nd paragraph's my opinion on the original thread topic. It's relevant to the topic because it works the same way. Attack one mob, get attacked and avoid it, attack a different target, and a different target, continue till level up. Relevant, yes, to the 'thread topic.'
The first paragraph was meant for that sub-topic(?) where we were discussing the effectiveness of the magic counter set on all classes. Sandimailana said to try the magic counter set, then shori said that it doesn't work for all classes, but then sandimailana said that all classes can use the set, then shori said that not all classes can keep their hp up, then I said that 'it' wouldn't work for high eva builds. 'It' referring to the magic counter set. We were only talking about that set working on all classes.
Alright, this definitely confused me XD
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Post by sandimailana on Nov 5, 2016 14:40:35 GMT
Yes but not all class can keep their hp up like a bishop. Not to mention this may not work for high eva builds qwq
But I'm not against op. My hybrid enchy's main set is the damage negate set. I like it. It's fun. Slow, but heck I'm immortal XD.If use new special equip,u can get low Eva :3
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2016 14:44:49 GMT
Not to mention this may not work for high eva builds qwq
But I'm not against op. My hybrid enchy's main set is the damage negate set. I like it. It's fun. Slow, but heck I'm immortal XD. If use new special equip,u can get low Eva :3 O.o what equipment is this?
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Post by nic123 on Nov 5, 2016 15:17:09 GMT
First of all, if this is mentioned anywhere on this and other forums, please link me to it and close this thread. I did google for it, found nothing, but I won't be surprised if I missed it coz it's quite simple. Steps:1. Use Negate Set (Judgement, Dragon Mail/Schwermer, Ensis Shield/Blue Epaulettes/Etc?) _ your choice of Special. With a build preferably with an Autoskill focus. 2. Attack a mob, once you get its attention, target next mob. You don't need to attack or kill it. Repeat. 3. Survive. 4. Use HP Recovery of choice if needed. This will affect your dps. Faster is better. Notes:1.The Negate set is for survivability + counter, if u can manage survivability without it, you may switch to other counter autoskills. 2. You don't have to be an Enchanter to do this. step 3. survive here i was thinking i shud have died to carry up my kill rate
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Post by AizenSou [Quitting] on Nov 5, 2016 21:12:14 GMT
It's relevant to the topic because it works the same way. Attack one mob, get attacked and avoid it, attack a different target, and a different target, continue till level up. Relevant, yes, to the 'thread topic.'
The first paragraph was meant for that sub-topic(?) where we were discussing the effectiveness of the magic counter set on all classes. Sandimailana said to try the magic counter set, then shori said that it doesn't work for all classes, but then sandimailana said that all classes can use the set, then shori said that not all classes can keep their hp up, then I said that 'it' wouldn't work for high eva builds. 'It' referring to the magic counter set. We were only talking about that set working on all classes.
Alright, this definitely confused me XDWell if you are a high Eva that does not distributed in STR yet requiring CRT to generate high dmg then Spin Shield reduce the Eva rate so this counter would work but then again high Eva is better to go counter Eva instead. And somehow magic counter won't work for warrior class and those who does not distributed INT. Why? Because with no MATK your magic counter would be priceless and only a garbage junk, my enchy friend tried the new free distributed add Nacht Krone that has magic counter and that's only deal 100 dmg. Well certainly for xtal like Sofys or Minela would require high int for it to generate high dmg, so if you're not magic build then Irai is much more fit in this category.
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Post by sandimailana on Nov 5, 2016 23:38:29 GMT
If use new special equip,u can get low Eva :3 O.o what equipment is this?Idk name the equip, but it's from new Lottery.u need kill laster for reset lottery
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Nov 6, 2016 1:19:24 GMT
First of all, if this is mentioned anywhere on this and other forums, please link me to it and close this thread. I did google for it, found nothing, but I won't be surprised if I missed it coz it's quite simple. Steps:1. Use Negate Set (Judgement, Dragon Mail/Schwermer, Ensis Shield/Blue Epaulettes/Etc?) _ your choice of Special. With a build preferably with an Autoskill focus. 2. Attack a mob, once you get its attention, target next mob. You don't need to attack or kill it. Repeat. 3. Survive. 4. Use HP Recovery of choice if needed. This will affect your dps. Faster is better. Notes:1.The Negate set is for survivability + counter, if u can manage survivability without it, you may switch to other counter autoskills. 2. You don't have to be an Enchanter to do this. The problem with negate damage set is that they dont stack and have diminishing returns. E.g. at 30% rate with 3 autoskills you get 65.7% proc rate (you get hit 3.5 times every 10 attacks) At 50% rate with 3 autoskills you get 87.5% proc rate (you get hit 1.25 times every 10 attacks. If a mob attacks every second and you tank 3 of them, you will get hit once every second with 30% rate (every 3 seconds if you have 50%). Now since you have low dps from the set you kill slower and hence take more hits from mobs. You might end up spending the same number of healing potions but instead of killing every 5seconds with a dps gear, you kill them every 20seconds with a negate set. In Iruna, grinding faster is always better. If you really want this to be effective in terms of proc rate, I would think you will need to have >65% auto rate (>95% proc rate total). Which is why enchanters will have a better chance at meeting this requirement.
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Post by sandimailana on Nov 6, 2016 1:56:20 GMT
If using negatif set,u just get 6k physical damage counter 6k physical damage counter 6k physical damage counter 6k physical damage counter
If lv300
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Post by sandimailana on Nov 6, 2016 1:57:42 GMT
but if using set m.counter, u can get high counter & m.counter can spell burst :3
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Post by AianLacruzel on Nov 6, 2016 2:35:17 GMT
The problem with negate damage set is that they dont stack and have diminishing returns. E.g. at 30% rate with 3 autoskills you get 65.7% proc rate (you get hit 3.5 times every 10 attacks) At 50% rate with 3 autoskills you get 87.5% proc rate (you get hit 1.25 times every 10 attacks. If a mob attacks every second and you tank 3 of them, you will get hit once every second with 30% rate (every 3 seconds if you have 50%). Now since you have low dps from the set you kill slower and hence take more hits from mobs. You might end up spending the same number of healing potions but instead of killing every 5seconds with a dps gear, you kill them every 20seconds with a negate set. In Iruna, grinding faster is always better. If you really want this to be effective in terms of proc rate, I would think you will need to have >65% auto rate (>95% proc rate total). Which is why enchanters will have a better chance at meeting this requirement. Depending on your target mob. The ways this will not be effective is: 1. you run out of mobs often. 2. you one-shot them anyway and your mp recovery takes 0s. 3. you take a very long time to recover HP. Why? Because you're forced to wait. That's the only time DPS comes to play. Otherwise, when u'r chain-targeting mobs, DPS = Mob HP. And just to be clear, this is not a thread regarding Negate Counter set. How that set performs outside of this farm/grind technique is covered by another thread.
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Post by AianLacruzel on Nov 6, 2016 2:46:08 GMT
but if using set m.counter, u can get high counter & m.counter can spell burst :3 You use AoE for Enina? Can you target another Enina in that battle? Did you even read OP?
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Post by sandimailana on Nov 6, 2016 2:58:31 GMT
but if using set m.counter, u can get high counter & m.counter can spell burst :3 You use AoE for Enina? Can you target another Enina in that battle? Did you even read OP? Cant target more mob.i use Holy light.
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Post by skeewi on Nov 6, 2016 3:11:05 GMT
You use AoE for Enina? Can you target another Enina in that battle? Did you even read OP? Cant target more mob.i use Holy light. You aren't helping your case here.
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Post by nic123 on Nov 6, 2016 3:36:21 GMT
Cant target more mob.i use Holy light. You aren't helping your case here. i think his english isnt so good guys, hes just tryna help lol. this guide is for classes without aoe so bishops arent included sandi
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Post by AianLacruzel on Jan 18, 2017 9:44:01 GMT
update: added queing info.
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