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Post by Variz on Sept 9, 2016 2:29:33 GMT
Hello guys! First let me introduce My Self, My IGN is VaRiz and im a Lv272 Bishop for now Ok lets start, why im making Thread like This? Because some Bosses can have MP Delete or Buff Delete or Both, so most of us need to wait MP Healer or use Bunch Potion to Recover All HP and MP or just Sit until atleast you can ReBuff all skills with your Remain MP after Sit I found someone ask in this forum what is My Set, actually it just A Simple Set, you just look for an equip that Have -MP Cost% and -Skill Delay (Both Good) and Some QC Abi and MP Cost Abi Need a Total -100% MP Cost and -7 Sec Delay to Spam Resu in 1 MP cost First i will Tell you Some equip that have Good -Skill Delay and -MP Cost% Weapon Moonlight (Recommended, especially for Low Budget) Archbishop Scepter Valida Rod Armor Tentacion (Very Recommended) Exelis ReUp (Recommended) Hulam Nemes ReUp Additional Spirit Plume (Recommended) Ardour Cachenez (Very Recommended) Evil Dragon Wings Xtals Rossam (Very Recommended) Thrift III (Recommended, especially for Low Budget) Kagan (Weapon only) Abilities ⭐Mp Cost ⭐Quick Cool Al Crysta Cheltil (Very Recommended) Maelriel Sauro Thats all equip i know that have some Delay and -MP Cost%, Stats? Use Google xD My Personal Set? Ok ok i will Tell you Equip Moonlight w/ Thrift III ⭐Quick Cool Lv1 Tentacion w/ Thrift III ⭐Mp Cost Lv2 Spirit Plume w/ Thrift III ⭐Quick Cool Lv2 Acc ⭐Mp Cost Lv3 Argent Ring Ns Al Crysta Cheltil So with this set i got Total -100% Mp Cost and - 6,6 Delay, But i said Need -7 Sec delay to Spam Resu, dont worry i can use Quick Skill to Add -1,5 Skill Delay so i can spam All Skill in 1 Mp Cost My Set still Low Cost and need upgrade bcause have some Cons, Low Base MATK, If Get Hit by Monster/Boss damage will be Higher (bcause Spirit Plume -100 Melee Resist.) So Thats All what i can tell, Have A Question or other problem about This? just ask here Thanks for Read my Broken English x)
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Post by Variz on Sept 9, 2016 2:30:55 GMT
Will Update when i can online on PC :3
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Post by SoulBurn on Sept 9, 2016 4:49:58 GMT
Weapon Moonlight (Recommended, especially for Low Budget) Archbishop Scepter Valida Rod Armor Tentacion (Very Recommended) Exelis ReUp (Recommended) Hulam Nemes ReUp Additional Spirit Plume (Recommended) Ardour Cachenez (Very Recommended) Evil Dragon Wings Xtals Rossam (Very Recommended) Thrift III (Recommended, especially for Low Budget) Kagan (Weapon only) Abilities ⭐Mp Cost ⭐Quick Cool Al Crysta Cheltil (Very Recommended) Maelriel Sauro Thats all equip i know that have some Delay and -MP Cost%, Stats? Use Google xD My Personal Set? Ok ok i will Tell you Equip Moonlight w/ Thrift III ⭐Quick Cool Lv1 Tentacion w/ Thrift III ⭐Mp Cost Lv2 Spirit Plume w/ Thrift III ⭐Quick Cool Lv2 Acc ⭐Mp Cost Lv3 Argent Ring Ns Al Crysta Cheltil o.o MinHa ( ̄^ ̄)ゞ try this set
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2016 6:17:02 GMT
o.o something on my mind:
Uroboros - -1sec sd, -20% MPC Shushiwa re up - -1.5sec sd if with throw, -15% MPC or Tentacion - -2sec sd Ardour Cachenez - -2sec sd, -30% MPC Cheltil - -1sec sd Quick - -1.5sec/-2sec sd Full MPC abi - -30% MPC Risparmio - -30% MPC
So with this set you'll have -6 to -7 seconds skill delay and -110 to -135% MPC (too much XD) and you can use Curonne and JoG with it too o.o. Any thoughts?
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Post by MinHa ( ̄^ ̄)ゞ on Sept 9, 2016 8:20:52 GMT
Weapon Moonlight (Recommended, especially for Low Budget) Archbishop Scepter Valida Rod Armor Tentacion (Very Recommended) Exelis ReUp (Recommended) Hulam Nemes ReUp Additional Spirit Plume (Recommended) Ardour Cachenez (Very Recommended) Evil Dragon Wings Xtals Rossam (Very Recommended) Thrift III (Recommended, especially for Low Budget) Kagan (Weapon only) Abilities ⭐Mp Cost ⭐Quick Cool Al Crysta Cheltil (Very Recommended) Maelriel Sauro Thats all equip i know that have some Delay and -MP Cost%, Stats? Use Google xD My Personal Set? Ok ok i will Tell you Equip Moonlight w/ Thrift III ⭐Quick Cool Lv1 Tentacion w/ Thrift III ⭐Mp Cost Lv2 Spirit Plume w/ Thrift III ⭐Quick Cool Lv2 Acc ⭐Mp Cost Lv3 Argent Ring Ns Al Crysta Cheltil o.o MinHa ( ̄^ ̄)ゞ try this set My MP Cost already 1~ .-.
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Post by MITS:Servant on Sept 9, 2016 8:39:59 GMT
o.o something on my mind:
Uroboros - -1sec sd, -20% MPC Shushiwa re up - -1.5sec sd if with throw, -15% MPC or Tentacion - -2sec sd Ardour Cachenez - -2sec sd, -30% MPC Cheltil - -1sec sd Quick - -1.5sec/-2sec sd Full MPC abi - -30% MPC Risparmio - -30% MPC
So with this set you'll have -6 to -7 seconds skill delay and -110 to -135% MPC (too much XD) and you can use Curonne and JoG with it too o.o. Any thoughts? is this your -mp cost set for your ninja? XD
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Post by Almas on Sept 9, 2016 9:06:40 GMT
You forgot to mention Tellas Rod which gives 1 SD reduction and 15% MP cost reduction at level 300ish. Rod is nice as it gives you more matk compared to using other weapon. Helps with heal a times.
This was my old set.
This one needs some changes now (actually even then because I forgot to factor in Cheltil). Probably change Spirit Plume to Ardour and remove some of those QCs to get better heal. ouo/
Good post nevertheless.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2016 10:15:51 GMT
o.o something on my mind:
Uroboros - -1sec sd, -20% MPC Shushiwa re up - -1.5sec sd if with throw, -15% MPC or Tentacion - -2sec sd Ardour Cachenez - -2sec sd, -30% MPC Cheltil - -1sec sd Quick - -1.5sec/-2sec sd Full MPC abi - -30% MPC Risparmio - -30% MPC
So with this set you'll have -6 to -7 seconds skill delay and -110 to -135% MPC (too much XD) and you can use Curonne and JoG with it too o.o. Any thoughts? is this your -mp cost set for your ninja? XD This was my goal XD. Except S.Plume instead of Ardour. Also Pole slot and MP Cost -6% al @-@
Edit: Well with Ardour I could use 3 Gerusts and still achieve -1sec sd on all skills except DoC o.o
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Post by Variz on Sept 9, 2016 14:35:17 GMT
Rispamio -Mp Cost doesnt stack with your Current -Mp cost set
Example if you have -80% Mpc Total on your set, and you cast Rispamio then it doesnt -110% Mpc
It just Decrease your Mp Cost skill
If you have 10 Mp Cost Resurrection with your -80% Mpc set, and you cast Rispamio, then your Resurrection Mp Cost will 7 instead 1
This have been discussed in other thread
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2016 18:43:13 GMT
Rispamio -Mp Cost doesnt stack with your Current -Mp cost set Example if you have -80% Mpc Total on your set, and you cast Rispamio then it doesnt -110% Mpc It just Decrease your Mp Cost skill If you have 10 Mp Cost Resurrection with your -80% Mpc set, and you cast Rispamio, then your Resurrection Mp Cost will 7 instead 1 This have been discussed in other thread Hmm I see. Thanks for that o.o I saw the other thread. Great job finding out about it I would've been crushed by that failure T-T. Well I guess I'll revise me build just a little:
Uroboros - -1sec sd, -20% MPC Shushiwa re up - -1.5sec sd if with throw, -15% MPC Ardour Cachenez - -2sec sd, -30% MPC Cheltil - -1sec sd Quick - -1.5sec/-2sec sd Full MPC abi - -30% MPC MP Cost -6% al xtal - -6% MPC
Well nothing much changed but this set gives -7 sec sd and -101% MPC.
Edit: Then mix in Curonnes and JoG. But if you want to mix some Heal instead erm lesee: [WARNING: Math alert. Open at your own risk o.o]
{ SPOILER: Click to show/hide} First, this is the formula for Heal 3 (source: irunaonline.boards.net/thread/10732/unwritten-formulas)Base Value=(600+MATK)×2 Random Numbers = RNG between 0 and 4 Heal Amount ={Base Value + Base Value x Random Numbers ÷ 100}× (1 + Heal Coefficient + Magic Power%)) Let's say you have 3k base MATK. With above set, you'll get +10% MATK from weapon and +7% from armor, giving you a total of 3,510 MATK. Following the formula: Base value [let's call this 'B'] = (600 + 3,510) x 2 B = 4,110 x 2 B = 8,220 Let's say RNG = 1 for the sake of simplicity Heal amount [H] = (B + B x RNG / 100) x (1 + Heal coefficient + Magic power) H = (8,220 + 8,220 x 1 / 100) x (1 + 0 + 0) H = 8,302.2Let's try it with 3 Dunkelis xtals (+13% each), same set and base MATK. Total MATK = 4,680 B = (600 + 4,680) x 2 B = 5,280 x 2 = 10,560 H = (B + B x RNG / 100) x (1 + Heal coefficient + magic power) H = (10,560 + 10,560 x 1 / 100) x (1 + 0 + 0) H = 10,665.6Let's compare this with 3 Froches xtals (+7% Heal recovery) (source: irunaonline.boards.net/thread/8801/list-most-xtals), same set and base MATK. Total MATK = 3,510 B = (600 + 3,510) x 2 B = 4,110 x 2 B = 8,220 H = (B + B x RNG / 100) x (1 + Heal coefficient + magic power) H = (8,220 + 8,220 x 1 / 100) x (1 + 21% + 0) H = 8,302.2 x (1 + 21%) H = 8,302.2 + 1,743.462 H = 10,045.662
Well anyway, I guess slapping Roarmerias would suffice. The difference in heal amount is not very big, so I'll probably go with Curonnes and JoG instead of mixing heal and resu spam with this set o.o
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Post by Almas on Sept 10, 2016 3:08:35 GMT
Hmm I see. Thanks for that o.o I saw the other thread. Great job finding out about it I would've been crushed by that failure T-T. Well I guess I'll revise me build just a little:
Uroboros - -1sec sd, -20% MPC Shushiwa re up - -1.5sec sd if with throw, -15% MPC Ardour Cachenez - -2sec sd, -30% MPC Cheltil - -1sec sd Quick - -1.5sec/-2sec sd Full MPC abi - -30% MPC MP Cost -6% al xtal - -6% MPC
Well nothing much changed but this set gives -7 sec sd and -101% Mpc.
This looks nice except factoring in Quick buff will get you killed at times. So it's not bad to achieve revival spam at least without it. If you've really played bishop, you'll know how a few seconds of delay will save the whole party. Imagine a scenario where boss wiped all buffs and at the same time stunned all of you and your party is a HW who just did Bandersnatch right before wipe and a monk who's being a monk. Plus Quick 2 needs 800ish mp to be able to use it. This isn't reduced by mp cost gears. Iirc, it's affected by Risparmio but not much. You'd probably still need to use mp pots. So in those scenario you'd need to use mp potion and quick skill before being able to resu your party. -mp cost in AL slot is nice but until when? AL, unlike crystals where you can have different gears and slap different crystals in them and just put them in shortcut for accessibility,is so limited that you have to make the most of what you can get out of the 5 available ones given to you from the start. Plus if you're able to equate Uroboros — a new equip with probably high price — then I think investing in a Rossam wouldn't be a problem. These are my opinions coming from playing bishop for a long time. Theory crafting is nice but being able to make them work and use them well is another thing. ouo/
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2016 5:38:46 GMT
Hmm I see. Thanks for that o.o I saw the other thread. Great job finding out about it I would've been crushed by that failure T-T. Well I guess I'll revise me build just a little:
Uroboros - -1sec sd, -20% MPC Shushiwa re up - -1.5sec sd if with throw, -15% MPC Ardour Cachenez - -2sec sd, -30% MPC Cheltil - -1sec sd Quick - -1.5sec/-2sec sd Full MPC abi - -30% MPC MP Cost -6% al xtal - -6% MPC
Well nothing much changed but this set gives -7 sec sd and -101% Mpc.
This looks nice except factoring in Quick buff will get you killed at times. So it's not bad to achieve revival spam at least without it. If you've really played bishop, you'll know how a few seconds of delay will save the whole party. Imagine a scenario where boss wiped all buffs and at the same time stunned all of you and your party is a HW who just did Bandersnatch right before wipe and a monk who's being a monk. Plus Quick 2 needs 800ish mp to be able to use it. This isn't reduced by mp cost gears. Iirc, it's affected by Risparmio but not much. You'd probably still need to use mp pots. So in those scenario you'd need to use mp potion and quick skill before being able to resu your party. -mp cost in AL slot is nice but until when? AL, unlike crystals where you can have different gears and slap different crystals in them and just put them in shortcut for accessibility,is so limited that you have to make the most of what you can get out of the 5 available ones given to you from the start. Plus if you're able to equate Uroboros — a new equip with probably high price — then I think investing in a Rossam wouldn't be a problem. These are my opinions coming from playing bishop for a long time. Theory crafting is nice but being able to make them work and use them well is another thing. ouo/ I do have a bishop, but she's only Lv239 u.u. So yeah, I made this based more on theory than actual combat experience.
Something similar happened when I was doing Ouvel MQ on my bishop. It was a disaster @-@
Given my level, I still haven't learned Quick. Thanks for the info. I'll make sure to remember that o.o/
On all my characters I make sure to activate Ignition as much as possible to unlock more pages. Well there's that, and the fact that I make so little spina that my main doesn't even have a Mezza yet, which means I can't really afford 5 end-game al xtals to fill the slots. My bishop should be halfway towards her 2nd page so in my case the al xtals will probably stay for a very long time.
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Post by Variz on Sept 10, 2016 10:47:42 GMT
This looks nice except factoring in Quick buff will get you killed at times. So it's not bad to achieve revival spam at least without it. If you've really played bishop, you'll know how a few seconds of delay will save the whole party. Imagine a scenario where boss wiped all buffs and at the same time stunned all of you and your party is a HW who just did Bandersnatch right before wipe and a monk who's being a monk. Plus Quick 2 needs 800ish mp to be able to use it. This isn't reduced by mp cost gears. Iirc, it's affected by Risparmio but not much. You'd probably still need to use mp pots. So in those scenario you'd need to use mp potion and quick skill before being able to resu your party. Yep, sometimes Happen a Lot to me, even if it just -0,1 Delay Difference, that -0,1 Difference will save whole Party Member But why if Bishop cant keep all party Alive they will blame on us? :3
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Post by Tamagu on Sept 10, 2016 11:02:21 GMT
This looks nice except factoring in Quick buff will get you killed at times. So it's not bad to achieve revival spam at least without it. If you've really played bishop, you'll know how a few seconds of delay will save the whole party. Imagine a scenario where boss wiped all buffs and at the same time stunned all of you and your party is a HW who just did Bandersnatch right before wipe and a monk who's being a monk. Plus Quick 2 needs 800ish mp to be able to use it. This isn't reduced by mp cost gears. Iirc, it's affected by Risparmio but not much. You'd probably still need to use mp pots. So in those scenario you'd need to use mp potion and quick skill before being able to resu your party. Yep, sometimes Happen a Lot to me, even if it just -0,1 Delay Difference, that -0,1 Difference will save whole Party Member But why if Bishop cant keep all party Alive they will blame on us? :3 is it not the role of a bishop to heal and to keep the party alive? i don't understand what you meant so feel free to enlighten me.
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Post by Variz on Sept 10, 2016 11:11:41 GMT
is it not the role of a bishop to heal and to keep the party alive? i don't understand what you meant so feel free to enlighten me. No no, you understand it, bcause you answered it :3
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