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Post by eqnx on Aug 9, 2016 23:47:51 GMT
Hey all,
Done as much research as I can, can't find what I want to know.
Currently:
STR 1 INT 325 (will over-cap ofc) VIT 100 (will stop, or restat, or raise to 200, will decide later) AGI 1 DEX 256 (stop? over-cap as well? stop somewhere in between?) CRT 40 (will stop at 400)
My question is about my DEX. Any noticeable advantages to raising higher / over-capping?
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DaddyDickems
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I'm just a simple fugly muffin, please be gentle
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Post by DaddyDickems on Aug 9, 2016 23:52:00 GMT
I hate to be the one, this thread doesnt belong here but it in the hw thread
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Post by nic123 on Aug 10, 2016 0:43:16 GMT
Hey all, Done as much research as I can, can't find what I want to know. Currently: STR 1 INT 325 (will over-cap ofc) VIT 100 (will stop, or restat, or raise to 200, will decide later) AGI 1 DEX 256 (stop? over-cap as well? stop somewhere in between?) CRT 40 (will stop at 400) My question is about my DEX. Any noticeable advantages to raising higher / over-capping? as godblade said, this doesent belong here and i hope admin will move to hw section. ps. u dont need an experienced hw to tell u about ur stats, u should be able to do reasearch and see how it will benefit u. when u can do this u almost will never have to ask anyone for help about ur stats/equips.
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Post by eqnx on Aug 10, 2016 1:19:32 GMT
Hey all, ***Done as much research as I can, can't find what I want to know.*** <==== THISCurrently: STR 1 INT 325 (will over-cap ofc) VIT 100 (will stop, or restat, or raise to 200, will decide later) AGI 1 DEX 256 (stop? over-cap as well? stop somewhere in between?) CRT 40 (will stop at 400) My question is about my DEX. Any noticeable advantages to raising higher / over-capping? as godblade said, this doesent belong here and i hope admin will move to hw section. ps. u dont need an experienced hw to tell u about ur stats, u should be able to do reasearch and see how it will benefit u. when u can do this u almost will never have to ask anyone for help about ur stats/equips. First, sorry all, didn't know it didn't belong here. Second, I understand that there are many people out there that want someone else to build their character for them -- that is not me. This is the first and last question I have regarding my HW, as I'm easily able to decide HOW to make and equip him. I just can't find info pertaining to whether or not it's very beneficial to over-cap DEX. If that's something that even you, with your top two chars both being magic-users, doesn't want to answer, then I'll just over-cap it, and use Stefly's if I'm not happy with it. Thanks for your advice, Nicky. d(-_-)b
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EP Opheia
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Post by EP Opheia on Aug 10, 2016 1:32:08 GMT
Thread moved into the High Wizard section. Next time if there's an issue please report the post. Since I have time I'll edit this post. eqnx I think it's all on preference. It does give you more MATK and longer Spellboost. A lot of the times it just goes down to what you prefer to see in your High Wizard. I don't have a High Wizard, but I was in the process of making one (and Bishop is pretty similar). Hope it helps a bit. Or if you're looking for a different answer then to maybe PM a few High Wizards on the forum?
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Post by nic123 on Aug 10, 2016 5:20:56 GMT
as godblade said, this doesent belong here and i hope admin will move to hw section. ps. u dont need an experienced hw to tell u about ur stats, u should be able to do reasearch and see how it will benefit u. when u can do this u almost will never have to ask anyone for help about ur stats/equips. First, sorry all, didn't know it didn't belong here. Second, I understand that there are many people out there that want someone else to build their character for them -- that is not me. This is the first and last question I have regarding my HW, as I'm easily able to decide HOW to make and equip him. I just can't find info pertaining to whether or not it's very beneficial to over-cap DEX. If that's something that even you, with your top two chars both being magic-users, doesn't want to answer, then I'll just over-cap it, and use Stefly's if I'm not happy with it. Thanks for your advice, Nicky. d(-_-)b oh sorry if it came off rude or anything but i just meant. by searching almost anywhere u see dex adds cast time, accuracy etc. think to urself do i want cast time or should i use fluency and go for more matk. or do i want to go full dex type and use forbidden book. as for dex adding more time with spellboost its so minor u barely notice. its 30 seconds normally with 256 dex if im not mistaken and around 40 secs(if so much) with max 426 dex. when u use spellboost ur mostlikely in pt with mins and u can rebuff unlimited times, or in pt at a boss. just giving u future advice for when u get high level. ps. im a 340 hw and its my favorite class, my preffered build atm is max int, 175 vit, 256 dex, 400crit, max blue line rest in green. i use adf for cast time since it adds -cast depending on crit. i also have fluency set. i looked up gear and i said hmmmmmm yes i can do this and still be pretty darn op. just helping a fellow hw out, gl bro make ur class ur own and enjoy
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Post by eqnx on Aug 10, 2016 6:39:34 GMT
First, sorry all, didn't know it didn't belong here. Second, I understand that there are many people out there that want someone else to build their character for them -- that is not me. This is the first and last question I have regarding my HW, as I'm easily able to decide HOW to make and equip him. I just can't find info pertaining to whether or not it's very beneficial to over-cap DEX. If that's something that even you, with your top two chars both being magic-users, doesn't want to answer, then I'll just over-cap it, and use Stefly's if I'm not happy with it. Thanks for your advice, Nicky. d(-_-)b oh sorry if it came off rude or anything but i just meant. by searching almost anywhere u see dex adds cast time, accuracy etc. think to urself do i want cast time or should i use fluency and go for more matk. or do i want to go full dex type and use forbidden book. as for dex adding more time with spellboost its so minor u barely notice. its 30 seconds normally with 256 dex if im not mistaken and around 40 secs(if so much) with max 426 dex. when u use spellboost ur mostlikely in pt with mins and u can rebuff unlimited times, or in pt at a boss. just giving u future advice for when u get high level. ps. im a 340 hw and its my favorite class, my preffered build atm is max int, 175 vit, 256 dex, 400crit, max blue line rest in green. i use adf for cast time since it adds -cast depending on crit. i also have fluency set. i looked up gear and i said hmmmmmm yes i can do this and still be pretty darn op. just helping a fellow hw out, gl bro make ur class ur own and enjoy Oh, you play JP version? Right on I'm a solo player by nature, and I want to be able to kill anything I want to.. so depending on the boss/mob, mass farm / one win needed.. etc, I'll need a stat build that does all of the above. So far the plan is Max Int, 256 Dex, 400 Crt, 200 Vit, Max Green, rest Blue. This may change by the time I'm near cap. With only 10k hp, I have had no trouble with mobs and bosses that would make most lvl 250/300 ragequit. When I'm closer to perfecting my equipment (and a couple updates coming soon!), and the addition of the Spell Burst Star ability, I should be able to drop VIT and CRT down to use those points elsewhere. Gonna take a long time to build the HW I want, but I've got almost everything planned, and will be worth it in the end. Ideally, that'll be an INT/DEX/STR/CRT hw. I'm sure I can make it work. Two questions for you actually.. If you've got 2 lvl 5 abis, one acts like lvl 4, right? I couldn't find info on what happens if you use 5 lvl 5 abis.. is it 1x5 & 4x4, or 1&2&3&4&5? If you don't know, I'll just test it some time this week. Have you tested ADF vs. Mage Ring for difference in Cast Speed? Notice anything? I do a crazy amount of research, but not everything is available.. :\
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Post by nic123 on Aug 10, 2016 14:55:05 GMT
oh sorry if it came off rude or anything but i just meant. by searching almost anywhere u see dex adds cast time, accuracy etc. think to urself do i want cast time or should i use fluency and go for more matk. or do i want to go full dex type and use forbidden book. as for dex adding more time with spellboost its so minor u barely notice. its 30 seconds normally with 256 dex if im not mistaken and around 40 secs(if so much) with max 426 dex. when u use spellboost ur mostlikely in pt with mins and u can rebuff unlimited times, or in pt at a boss. just giving u future advice for when u get high level. ps. im a 340 hw and its my favorite class, my preffered build atm is max int, 175 vit, 256 dex, 400crit, max blue line rest in green. i use adf for cast time since it adds -cast depending on crit. i also have fluency set. i looked up gear and i said hmmmmmm yes i can do this and still be pretty darn op. just helping a fellow hw out, gl bro make ur class ur own and enjoy Oh, you play JP version? Right on I'm a solo player by nature, and I want to be able to kill anything I want to.. so depending on the boss/mob, mass farm / one win needed.. etc, I'll need a stat build that does all of the above. So far the plan is Max Int, 256 Dex, 400 Crt, 200 Vit, Max Green, rest Blue. This may change by the time I'm near cap. With only 10k hp, I have had no trouble with mobs and bosses that would make most lvl 250/300 ragequit. When I'm closer to perfecting my equipment (and a couple updates coming soon!), and the addition of the Spell Burst Star ability, I should be able to drop VIT and CRT down to use those points elsewhere. Gonna take a long time to build the HW I want, but I've got almost everything planned, and will be worth it in the end. Ideally, that'll be an INT/DEX/STR/CRT hw. I'm sure I can make it work. Two questions for you actually.. If you've got 2 lvl 5 abis, one acts like lvl 4, right? I couldn't find info on what happens if you use 5 lvl 5 abis.. is it 1x5 & 4x4, or 1&2&3&4&5? If you don't know, I'll just test it some time this week. Have you tested ADF vs. Mage Ring for difference in Cast Speed? Notice anything? I do a crazy amount of research, but not everything is available.. :\ 1. i play english . i just broke cap, hard. maybe uve seen me in rokoko buying abis. 2. str hw? can i ask why 3. i recommend doing blue first instead of green. blue adds mpierce, mp and more goodies, green does not add mpierce etc. 4. if u use all level 5 equips and ive seen a thread about it somewhere, it will downgrade. so it will be 5,4,3,2,1 5. im actually making 100% sb hw once new skills release. 6. i have mage, magical,pole talisman and adf. and yes adf adds way more than mage ring. 7. vit is needed for best armour to work(struggler) so i reccomend 170vit on ur hw. i only have 17k hp due to ouvel and medona reducing it also due to my nature as a person im also a solo player. i dont get along well with many people and my device sucks. i foreclose often because my tablet has bad processing. and when people tell me about my foreclosing being a problem i usually just leave pt. as such i solo often or pt with my own chars. i have a solo set in which i almost never die which i will share in a video due to a few request after new skill released.
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Post by eqnx on Aug 12, 2016 0:44:44 GMT
Oh, you play JP version? Right on I'm a solo player by nature, and I want to be able to kill anything I want to.. so depending on the boss/mob, mass farm / one win needed.. etc, I'll need a stat build that does all of the above. So far the plan is Max Int, 256 Dex, 400 Crt, 200 Vit, Max Green, rest Blue. This may change by the time I'm near cap. With only 10k hp, I have had no trouble with mobs and bosses that would make most lvl 250/300 ragequit. When I'm closer to perfecting my equipment (and a couple updates coming soon!), and the addition of the Spell Burst Star ability, I should be able to drop VIT and CRT down to use those points elsewhere. Gonna take a long time to build the HW I want, but I've got almost everything planned, and will be worth it in the end. Ideally, that'll be an INT/DEX/STR/CRT hw. I'm sure I can make it work. Two questions for you actually.. If you've got 2 lvl 5 abis, one acts like lvl 4, right? I couldn't find info on what happens if you use 5 lvl 5 abis.. is it 1x5 & 4x4, or 1&2&3&4&5? If you don't know, I'll just test it some time this week. Have you tested ADF vs. Mage Ring for difference in Cast Speed? Notice anything? I do a crazy amount of research, but not everything is available.. :\ 1. i play english . i just broke cap, hard. maybe uve seen me in rokoko buying abis. 2. str hw? can i ask why 3. i recommend doing blue first instead of green. blue adds mpierce, mp and more goodies, green does not add mpierce etc. 4. if u use all level 5 equips and ive seen a thread about it somewhere, it will downgrade. so it will be 5,4,3,2,1 5. im actually making 100% sb hw once new skills release. 6. i have mage, magical,pole talisman and adf. and yes adf adds way more than mage ring. 7. vit is needed for best armour to work(struggler) so i reccomend 170vit on ur hw. i only have 17k hp due to ouvel and medona reducing it also due to my nature as a person im also a solo player. i dont get along well with many people and my device sucks. i foreclose often because my tablet has bad processing. and when people tell me about my foreclosing being a problem i usually just leave pt. as such i solo often or pt with my own chars. i have a solo set in which i almost never die which i will share in a video due to a few request after new skill released. Aha right on. The reason for STR is simple, It helps Stun proc on EQ and EP, and also increases the effectiveness of Grigori, which results in more para and blind from TB and TH, and more stun from Zero Ray. I mean, at that point any extra points would be AGI or STR, and I prefer the idea of CC over EVA up (with an ASPD downside as well). I've actually for a B G G G B setup, so GL is more useful than BL, because of the evasion. GL for me does the same as BL, plus the added evasion (M Pierce is actually part of the Teal line, so GL does help it. Difference of 3 B vs 3 G is MaxMP&MDEF vs. AbsEva&Eva&M Eva) Ahh, I figured that'd be the case with the abis. I'm also definitely going to do a 100% setup. Would be nice to have the old consistency back (pre SB) I've actually been basing my final stats and equips off of Lvl 4 SB this whole time. Planning for the future. Nice. I'd probably have to stick with Mage Ring though, since I end up supplementing CRT with equips. Again, I'll need time and testing to make a final decision. True, would need VIT for Struggler. Like I said, still in the planning stage. I enjoy testing equip vs stat benefits, to find where each is most beneficial. For example, Fluency with CRT vs. SB with DEX, I plan to test SB abi out to know its effects, but based on knowing that lvl1 vs lvl5 = +1% mp cost vs. +5%, it's safe to assume that the SB added isn't consistent, as with Fluency for example. I'm assuming SB lvl 5 is +5% SB, or max 7.5%, as 2.5% seems too low and 10% too high. If it's 5%, thats 50 CRT points that could go towards DEX or STR. At this point, final build is still just an outline, once I finish testing all the theories I have, I'll be able to compile the final result into a monster HW 0_o. Plus at that point, I'll more than likely create a Doc of what I discover, and post online. May be a few pointers, may end up making a guide. That's down the line.
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Post by nic123 on Aug 12, 2016 4:38:46 GMT
1. i play english . i just broke cap, hard. maybe uve seen me in rokoko buying abis. 2. str hw? can i ask why 3. i recommend doing blue first instead of green. blue adds mpierce, mp and more goodies, green does not add mpierce etc. 4. if u use all level 5 equips and ive seen a thread about it somewhere, it will downgrade. so it will be 5,4,3,2,1 5. im actually making 100% sb hw once new skills release. 6. i have mage, magical,pole talisman and adf. and yes adf adds way more than mage ring. 7. vit is needed for best armour to work(struggler) so i reccomend 170vit on ur hw. i only have 17k hp due to ouvel and medona reducing it also due to my nature as a person im also a solo player. i dont get along well with many people and my device sucks. i foreclose often because my tablet has bad processing. and when people tell me about my foreclosing being a problem i usually just leave pt. as such i solo often or pt with my own chars. i have a solo set in which i almost never die which i will share in a video due to a few request after new skill released. Aha right on. The reason for STR is simple, It helps Stun proc on EQ and EP, and also increases the effectiveness of Grigori, which results in more para and blind from TB and TH, and more stun from Zero Ray. I mean, at that point any extra points would be AGI or STR, and I prefer the idea of CC over EVA up (with an ASPD downside as well). I've actually for a B G G G B setup, so GL is more useful than BL, because of the evasion. GL for me does the same as BL, plus the added evasion (M Pierce is actually part of the Teal line, so GL does help it. Difference of 3 B vs 3 G is MaxMP&MDEF vs. AbsEva&Eva&M Eva) Ahh, I figured that'd be the case with the abis. I'm also definitely going to do a 100% setup. Would be nice to have the old consistency back (pre SB) I've actually been basing my final stats and equips off of Lvl 4 SB this whole time. Planning for the future. Nice. I'd probably have to stick with Mage Ring though, since I end up supplementing CRT with equips. Again, I'll need time and testing to make a final decision. True, would need VIT for Struggler. Like I said, still in the planning stage. I enjoy testing equip vs stat benefits, to find where each is most beneficial. For example, Fluency with CRT vs. SB with DEX, I plan to test SB abi out to know its effects, but based on knowing that lvl1 vs lvl5 = +1% mp cost vs. +5%, it's safe to assume that the SB added isn't consistent, as with Fluency for example. I'm assuming SB lvl 5 is +5% SB, or max 7.5%, as 2.5% seems too low and 10% too high. If it's 5%, thats 50 CRT points that could go towards DEX or STR. At this point, final build is still just an outline, once I finish testing all the theories I have, I'll be able to compile the final result into a monster HW 0_o. Plus at that point, I'll more than likely create a Doc of what I discover, and post online. May be a few pointers, may end up making a guide. That's down the line. i mean, personally i wouldnt use str or agi. to much loss in matk. str may add extra stun but is it really worth all those points. and grigori is mostly for a new hw skill called zero ray. but hey trial and error right. have fun testin out, maybe it will be superior and stun everytime. once i got new phone and find a screenrecorder ill make a video to showcase my gear and stats etc
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Post by bikini on Aug 13, 2016 22:10:34 GMT
im 421 dex atm, but ill reset if i can to 256dex when zero ray come and put rest stats to crt. I was using fbook4 until tellas out and i had alot boost damage from dex, also cast help.
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