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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Jul 8, 2016 9:09:14 GMT
I do use some gears with some resistance/damage cuts on them depending on which boss, but I really just do that to compensate the low HP that I have when I use currones.
In other games, building pure resistance gears like these is an absolute essential for tanks and makes you OP.
In iruna, however, a bishop revive defeats the purpose to ever need to build it purely. So the way i see it, you need to tweak the gear to accommodate pot usage and just enough resistance to survive and be usable for solo grind (since hp recovery>damage taken is the recipe to immortality).
Either that or try it with another HP class (glad/ench/beastmaster/etc). For them to have Pally-like resistances may seem pretty cool.
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Post by _ on Jul 16, 2016 22:14:36 GMT
some of what you posted has rate cut. wouldn't it be better to mix a little rate cut with resistance. even if you have theoretical 100% if the dmg is hp based and only have low rate cut you will still take a ton of damage regardless of resistances deceiver might help due to its high rate cut on armor
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skeewi
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Post by skeewi on Jul 18, 2016 8:02:19 GMT
The wonderful wonderful (or horrible horrible, depending on where you stand) thing about Iruna is that no 1 build/set is ever going to be good for "every" boss. There will always be that 1 boss that just dumps all over your build no matter what.
Shippu Sam? Kagan'd. 1hp ninja? Mezza'd, Almas'd. Ress spam Bish? Biflog'd, Merrario'd, Maelriel'd. Counter build? Wol'd. Auto attack with SH? Raton'dz Sauro'd (thank you for proccing the no mp, stun and poison phase all at the same time. Thank you for wiping the party).
A few more pros and cons on your build imo Pro -No reliance to Ressurect spam, just the occasional heal and you're good to go -Less reliance on Bishops. With high enough resistances, a Mins with Life and Joy Sorrow can easily cover your health. Or maybe even a Servant -Less reliance on pots, because low damage means less of a need for pots -Low damage from enemies, even without buffs, which lets you crap all over bosses that remove buffs -Be able to absolutely ignore attacks from aggressive mobs
Cons -Low damage, be prepared to time out when soloing. No HP means no guardian, and KO only works on a select few bosses -Still troubled by bosses that just drain your hp, like Larkas -Shell Break ignores resistances, but Shell Break will always be a problem for all pallys -Low dex, which means you're entirely reliant on the buff from Licht to spam skills
There are more pros and cons I'm sure. But those are the only ones coming to mind right now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 9:28:27 GMT
I do use some gears with some resistance/damage cuts on them depending on which boss, but I really just do that to compensate the low HP that I have when I use currones. In other games, building pure resistance gears like these is an absolute essential for tanks and makes you OP. In iruna, however, a bishop revive defeats the purpose to ever need to build it purely. So the way i see it, you need to tweak the gear to accommodate pot usage and just enough resistance to survive and be usable for solo grind (since hp recovery>damage taken is the recipe to immortality). Either that or try it with another HP class (glad/ench/beastmaster/etc). For them to have Pally-like resistances may seem pretty cool. I did check for other resistance xtals, but only Morbeelzem has melee, magic r and rate cut too. Wizard I think has 18% magic r? I forgot. I might try a resistance set on my enchy, but he prolly needs damage first XD (not a single good enchy xtal qwq)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 9:29:32 GMT
some of what you posted has rate cut. wouldn't it be better to mix a little rate cut with resistance. even if you have theoretical 100% if the dmg is hp based and only have low rate cut you will still take a ton of damage regardless of resistances deceiver might help due to its high rate cut on armor I did consider rate cut, that's why my final total had 84% rate cut. I would like to ask tho, should I drop some melee resistance and try to achieve 95% rate cut?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2016 9:38:03 GMT
The wonderful wonderful (or horrible horrible, depending on where you stand) thing about Iruna is that no 1 build/set is ever going to be good for "every" boss. There will always be that 1 boss that just dumps all over your build no matter what. Shippu Sam? Kagan'd. 1hp ninja? Mezza'd, Almas'd. Ress spam Bish? Biflog'd, Merrario'd, Maelriel'd. Counter build? Wol'd. Auto attack with SH? Raton'dz Sauro'd (thank you for proccing the no mp, stun and poison phase all at the same time. Thank you for wiping the party). A few more pros and cons on your build imo Pro -No reliance to Ressurect spam, just the occasional heal and you're good to go -Less reliance on Bishops. With high enough resistances, a Mins with Life and Joy Sorrow can easily cover your health. Or maybe even a Servant -Less reliance on pots, because low damage means less of a need for pots -Low damage from enemies, even without buffs, which lets you crap all over bosses that remove buffs -Be able to absolutely ignore attacks from aggressive mobs Cons -Low damage, be prepared to time out when soloing. No HP means no guardian, and KO only works on a select few bosses -Still troubled by bosses that just drain your hp, like Larkas -Shell Break ignores resistances, but Shell Break will always be a problem for all pallys -Low dex, which means you're entirely reliant on the buff from Licht to spam skills There are more pros and cons I'm sure. But those are the only ones coming to mind right now. I made this pally pretty bishop reliant because of the magic resistance that Aegis 3 provides. And I never thought of soloing with this set XD. I'd probably switch to a Pharmacy or HP set if I wanted to solo bosses. Low DEX only applies to my Scholar Ring build where I recommended STR to be the 3rd stat, but again it's just a recommendation. On the other build I provided, I suggested VIT DEX STR. I didn't know that Shell Break ignores resistances. I will have to consider that once I get motivated to update the thread XD
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Yazmat
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Post by Yazmat on Jul 18, 2016 12:59:27 GMT
The wonderful wonderful (or horrible horrible, depending on where you stand) thing about Iruna is that no 1 build/set is ever going to be good for "every" boss. There will always be that 1 boss that just dumps all over your build no matter what. Shippu Sam? Kagan'd. 1hp ninja? Mezza'd, Almas'd. Ress spam Bish? Biflog'd, Merrario'd, Maelriel'd. Counter build? Wol'd. Auto attack with SH? Raton'dz Sauro'd (thank you for proccing the no mp, stun and poison phase all at the same time. Thank you for wiping the party). A few more pros and cons on your build imo Pro -No reliance to Ressurect spam, just the occasional heal and you're good to go -Less reliance on Bishops. With high enough resistances, a Mins with Life and Joy Sorrow can easily cover your health. Or maybe even a Servant -Less reliance on pots, because low damage means less of a need for pots -Low damage from enemies, even without buffs, which lets you crap all over bosses that remove buffs -Be able to absolutely ignore attacks from aggressive mobs Cons -Low damage, be prepared to time out when soloing. No HP means no guardian, and KO only works on a select few bosses -Still troubled by bosses that just drain your hp, like Larkas -Shell Break ignores resistances, but Shell Break will always be a problem for all pallys -Low dex, which means you're entirely reliant on the buff from Licht to spam skills There are more pros and cons I'm sure. But those are the only ones coming to mind right now. I agree with some points but not with others: - Resurrect spam is only for Oath pallies not for tanks - For an HP(tank) pally, a servant is better than a bishop... Highness breath heals more than bright heal... - The mob/boss attack that looks like shell break is the HP percentage attack... with my rate cut set and divine aura, third eye's shell break does 400 dmg... it is no longer a problem for pallies... - dex doesn't affect guardian... you still need a -0.5 sd with 1 dex or 400 dex... it is only good for rebuffing yourself after a debuff, and that, even with 400 dex, still takes a lot of time... devotion & protection have huge delay...
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skeewi
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Post by skeewi on Jul 18, 2016 16:18:31 GMT
I agree with some points but not with others: - Resurrect spam is only for Oath pallies not for tanks - For an HP(tank) pally, a servant is better than a bishop... Highness breath heals more than bright heal... - The mob/boss attack that looks like shell break is the HP percentage attack... with my rate cut set and divine aura, third eye's shell break does 400 dmg... it is no longer a problem for pallies... - dex doesn't affect guardian... you still need a -0.5 sd with 1 dex or 400 dex... it is only good for rebuffing yourself after a debuff, and that, even with 400 dex, still takes a lot of time... devotion & protection have huge delay... Right, my bad. My knowledge on pally goes as far as my BK's really basic set HP/resistance/damage cut auto set. My bad on the ressurect thing, 80% of the Pallies I run into are built for Oath (even though a lot of them are level <260), so ress spamming pallies are what I do a lot. Idk why I thought of them as the "default" pally, a bit of bad bias on my part I guess. I also had no idea that those enemy shell breaks are hp based. I also thought that Rate Cut lowered critical damage (I got my info here).
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Tirout
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Paladin for life!
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Post by Tirout on Aug 20, 2016 13:11:04 GMT
Skeewi is right, Rate cut is for critical dmg and Rate relief for HP% dmg but there are not a lot of equipment with this effect, I only know Laminated armor (Rate relief +10%)..
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HaT®eD
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Post by HaT®eD on Aug 22, 2016 7:29:21 GMT
Another issue would be hate xP
I tried spam provoke without aggro equips against a gloria buffed gladiator while farming leviam and sadly aggro jumps back and forth My lvl: 286 his lvl:335
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HaT®eD
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Post by HaT®eD on Aug 22, 2016 7:36:13 GMT
Skeewi is right, Rate cut is for critical dmg and Rate relief for HP% dmg but there are not a lot of equipment with this effect, I only know Laminated armor (Rate relief +10%).. Im 100% shure rate cut is for hp% dmg i got some rate cut equips and it reduces dmg from 100% hp attack of enkels and also from shellbreak-like attck of three eyes English iruna got some terminology issues but rate cut and rate relief is the same xP
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Tirout
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Post by Tirout on Aug 23, 2016 18:47:20 GMT
Maybe the Hp% dmg is a crit? So the Rate cut work too
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Post by AizenSou [Quitting] on Oct 2, 2016 7:08:47 GMT
Rate 5 after found this thread o.o/
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Post by AizenSou [Quitting] on Oct 2, 2016 7:12:30 GMT
The wonderful wonderful (or horrible horrible, depending on where you stand) thing about Iruna is that no 1 build/set is ever going to be good for "every" boss. There will always be that 1 boss that just dumps all over your build no matter what. Shippu Sam? Kagan'd. 1hp ninja? Mezza'd, Almas'd. Ress spam Bish? Biflog'd, Merrario'd, Maelriel'd. Counter build? Wol'd. Auto attack with SH? Raton'dz Sauro'd (thank you for proccing the no mp, stun and poison phase all at the same time. Thank you for wiping the party). A few more pros and cons on your build imo Pro -No reliance to Ressurect spam, just the occasional heal and you're good to go -Less reliance on Bishops. With high enough resistances, a Mins with Life and Joy Sorrow can easily cover your health. Or maybe even a Servant -Less reliance on pots, because low damage means less of a need for pots -Low damage from enemies, even without buffs, which lets you crap all over bosses that remove buffs -Be able to absolutely ignore attacks from aggressive mobs Cons -Low damage, be prepared to time out when soloing. No HP means no guardian , and KO only works on a select few bosses -Still troubled by bosses that just drain your hp, like Larkas -Shell Break ignores resistances, but Shell Break will always be a problem for all pallys -Low dex, which means you're entirely reliant on the buff from Licht to spam skills There are more pros and cons I'm sure. But those are the only ones coming to mind right now. OMG a pally with this set will be 101% fine fighting larkas she does not drain HP she just drain MP I think you mean Bergen .-. But I don't know how his specialty works as I always die if not moving when he cast some earth magic :/
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2016 14:03:52 GMT
Updated with Maximum Resistance Set *^*
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