Senpai
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Post by Senpai on Dec 10, 2015 15:37:52 GMT
not liking divine bless is like not liking free stats,mp and hp. regenerate only gives you hp. in a party with a bishop hp doesn't even matter. even if it doesn't "feel" like much, the difference stacks up very quickly. to answer your comment, i can use exact answer that i gave to manakhee on previous post heredoesn't really apply to my argument.
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Post by quitted on Dec 10, 2015 15:51:55 GMT
to answer your comment, i can use exact answer that i gave to manakhee on previous post heredoesn't really apply to my argument. well your argument not apply to me. i really dont bother not getting mp regen from bless because gladiators lv260 skill makes all mp cost become 1 and i even can refill mp myself, bloodthirst have autoskill chance that heal 10% of maxmp. i always carry mp potions like cracked mage ore/cococut/yogurt,they are enough for me. i know how its feels like to get free mp but i think its not worthy to sacrifice my regenerate skill that regen bigger hp for bless for sake of free mp.
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Senpai
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Post by Senpai on Dec 10, 2015 16:04:47 GMT
doesn't really apply to my argument. well your argument not apply to me. i really dont bother not getting mp regen from bless because gladiators lv260 skill makes all mp cost become 1 and i even refill mp myself, bloodthirst have autoskill chance that regen 10% of maxmp. i always carry mp potions like cracked mage ore/cococut/yogurt,they are enough for me. i know how its feels like to get free mp but i think not worthy to sacrifice my regenerate skill that heal bigger hp for bless for sake of free mp. it is worth sacrificing it for free stats, cause divine bless does indeed give those, so yes. it does apply to your scenario. mp regen =/= mp pots
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eiric
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Post by eiric on Dec 10, 2015 16:17:32 GMT
well your argument not apply to me. i really dont bother not getting mp regen from bless because gladiators lv260 skill makes all mp cost become 1 and i even refill mp myself, bloodthirst have autoskill chance that regen 10% of maxmp. i always carry mp potions like cracked mage ore/cococut/yogurt,they are enough for me. i know how its feels like to get free mp but i think not worthy to sacrifice my regenerate skill that heal bigger hp for bless for sake of free mp. it is worth sacrificing it for free stats, cause divine bless does indeed give those, so yes. it does apply to your scenario. mp regen =/= mp pots Just know what your party needs or doesn't need... if he doesn't want it then don't worry abt it. geez
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Post by quitted on Dec 10, 2015 17:41:01 GMT
oh, about all stat boost from divine bless, it barely give benefit, its wiser to stay with regenerate skill that regen HP bigger.
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Post by Crysta| on Dec 10, 2015 22:41:07 GMT
I don't see how it adds hp... it's a defense buff... the one buff that adds hp is magic barrier which I avoid using on ninjas and no that's not a party buff... as far I know ss really shouldn't hinder but I just had a couple of ninjas complain about it Oh. I'm not familiar with ench skills. So I mixed up the two. Anything that gives them HP+ is a no for them. That's why I don't like partying with ninjas. the hp+ is a fixed 1k per skill lvl, not a % based like warcry, added to hp. A ninja's ability to clone are never hindered by any buff from enchanter.
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eiric
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Post by eiric on Dec 10, 2015 22:45:18 GMT
Oh. I'm not familiar with ench skills. So I mixed up the two. Anything that gives them HP+ is a no for them. That's why I don't like partying with ninjas. the hp+ is a fixed 1k per skill lvl, not a % based like warcry, added to hp. A ninja's ability to clone are never hindered by any buff from enchanter. This is stoneskin and magic barrier skill description... I don't think any buff we would be bothersome but here ya go. Attachments:
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Namitsuki
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Post by Namitsuki on Dec 11, 2015 1:58:07 GMT
it is worth sacrificing it for free stats, cause divine bless does indeed give those, so yes. it does apply to your scenario. mp regen =/= mp pots Just know what your party needs or doesn't need... if he doesn't want it then don't worry abt it. geez Since this is about party, unless regenerate can be applyed to the whole party and is more beneficial to everyone, then it's better to stick to divine bless. Anyway there is a much simpler solution to this case, dont stand too close the bishop if you dont like divine bless. It has a very small area and can only be cast on yourself (as in you cant target your pt members, they only get the buff if they are in the effect area). Also we are talking about party play and it's important to think about everyone and not be "I'm the star of the party so everybody do what is good for me and the rest of you mortals can suffer the consequences". In short if a buff is good for everyone else but you have a buff of same name that works only on you and you think is better than you can always buff it after the one you dont really like to overwrite it. Everybody is happy that way. And finally Divine bless vs Regenerate is a discussion that is only worth it if the party consists of only a bishop and a lv 260+ gladiator (or one bishop with 3 lv 260+ gladiators, or other similar combinations).
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Post by quitted on Dec 11, 2015 6:29:22 GMT
Just know what your party needs or doesn't need... if he doesn't want it then don't worry abt it. geez Since this is about party, unless regenerate can be applyed to the whole party and is more beneficial to everyone, then it's better to stick to divine bless. Anyway there is a much simpler solution to this case, dont stand too close the bishop if you dont like divine bless. It has a very small area and can only be cast on yourself (as in you cant target your pt members, they only get the buff if they are in the effect area). Also we are talking about party play and it's important to think about everyone and not be "I'm the star of the party so everybody do what is good for me and the rest of you mortals can suffer the consequences". In short if a buff is good for everyone else but you have a buff of same name that works only on you and you think is better than you can always buff it after the one you dont really like to overwrite it. Everybody is happy that way. And finally Divine bless vs Regenerate is a discussion that is only worth it if the party consists of only a bishop and a lv 260+ gladiator (or one bishop with 3 lv 260+ gladiators, or other similar combinations). divine bless is aoe? oh i dont know that. i guess i have to be more cautious on party. if other's divine bless buff time is over and need a recast from bishop,its okay just cast it. ill recast my regenerate if the divine bless buft get on me.
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Post by Crysta| on Dec 12, 2015 6:01:42 GMT
the hp+ is a fixed 1k per skill lvl, not a % based like warcry, added to hp. A ninja's ability to clone are never hindered by any buff from enchanter. This is stoneskin and magic barrier skill description... I don't think any buff we would be bothersome but here ya go. that's what i said. Neither stone skin or magic barrier can prevent a ninja from cloning.
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Post by o² on Dec 17, 2015 9:04:36 GMT
Basically everyone has a different playing style. Hard to say it but there's no real solution to this. All we have is dealing with it. There's so many iruna players. Many are good, smart and thankful. But many are also stupid, accusable, and stubborn. A thread is a good way to talk about a situation with others, however there's nothing we can do to fix this issue.
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Senpai
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meme ni naritai
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Post by Senpai on Dec 17, 2015 12:32:13 GMT
Basically everyone has a different playing style. Hard to say it but there's no real solution to this. All we have is dealing with it. There's so many iruna players. Many are good, smart and thankful. But many are also stupid, accusable, and stubborn. A thread is a good way to talk about a situation with others, however there's nothing we can do to fix this issue. pointing things out is actually the first step, if we stay with our half-assed knowledge, we won't be able to advance and make strategies to be more efficient. you gotta show people how they are wrong, so they can actually see it, because they won't otherwise.
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Post by ainfinit on Dec 18, 2015 3:02:11 GMT
I just want to point out that a bunch of ninjas are the best farming party. I came back and everywhere I got, it feels like everyone wants ninjas. In some cases they are bestter, but it's not as often as people make it seem. I've seen crazy ninja damage, but the good ol' fastion tank, hw, bish and dps is better in most cases. Maybe this isn't as prevalent an issue for some people, but dam man.
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bravebor
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to slack to give a damn, yet to bored to not say anything...
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Post by bravebor on Dec 18, 2015 3:14:22 GMT
Sorry Namitsuki but could we please have a clean up on isle... This thread 0.0 Nothing constructive has been put in at all over the past couple pages and it's just gone back and forward from a glass half empty expression, a statement of that being the case and defense of that not being the case and wash rinse repeat. As ever, thank you for your good work =)
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asteg
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yar yar...wind at ye backs me fellows.
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Post by asteg on Dec 18, 2015 3:51:46 GMT
0 smart ppl bought a ava set for 15m, the smart ppl bought a lyida port and farmed themselves...or realized litch looks better then a bunny suit...even tho it sounds very appeasing
The point of this thread is to "better understand" other classes needs and wants, bish cant spam resu without delay gear,so asking a bish to spam it at 180 is dumb, so is asking a mp healer to cast mp heal after 1hp boom, stuff like that
There is stubborn ppl everywhere, u can never change that..theres a saying that goes.. U can lead a horse to water but u cant make it drink...without upsetting peeta..
You cant say 'oh its just a game" .. It is...but saying it like nothing about it should be taken seriously is like saying "someone hacked my account but i have no negitive feelings what so ever" its important to everyone in their own way
There is ALWAYS going to be someone complaining about somthing... Pally droped argo..bish didint heal fast enough.. Ninja cant heal and died...hw didint heal mp... And whining about it is pointless...which is why we're not doing it.. We're talking(supposed to be) about what your specific class would perfer having..
Ie. On my bk i like not having para res from sniper, para=lower aspd=i can spam my skills without extra delay gear... But its also cast time/crt dmg down and messes up other pt members...so i fixed it because im not that important, my needs dont outweigh 3 other pt memeber's needs
Sorry if i made one person's point more clear then the other's. I can edit it later if i did.. Butt i think i did ok o.o everyone had valid points but they were said in a misleading way
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