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Post by Cerulean on Oct 30, 2015 21:49:21 GMT
*cough -Respect each other. (No personal attacks etc.) Pointing the finger at people for using sh would fall under the category of personal attacks, if you really want to do something about it go find/buy the modded apk all the speed hackers use and report it to the devs. This thread is nothing more than a rant and this isn't a blog, complain somewhere else. This isn't a rant thread. I should've put more time into writing the original post. I just wanted all the people who are supporting the segregating theory brought up in the other SH thread to "sign up" here. I fully support splitting the community in terms of trading/parties/raids/guilds into two groups, those who cheat and those who don't. If you are not in favor of this or wish to remain neutral on the subject of speed hack you don't need to reply to this thread Segregation XD that sounds kinda like a race war. Humor me, who do you think is really bugging the devs, the sh user who doesn't report anything and minds there own or the non sh user who's constantly harassing them to do something about sh users? You know they're "famous" players who use sh and bot right? And you know it's been around since this game began. And you know there is absolutely nothing you can do about it right? Y'all acting real narrow minded, the devs are going to have enough of your constant harassments and whining about cheat tools and shut it down. Your constant nagging is putting the game to risk far more than sh users are. For one you'll never know who all the sh/bot users are, and secondly take an example from history, segregation is never the answer Also, I can reply to whatever I want lol as long as it pertains to the subject of the thread xD
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Post by bravebor on Oct 30, 2015 22:15:53 GMT
This isn't a rant thread. I should've put more time into writing the original post. I just wanted all the people who are supporting the segregating theory brought up in the other SH thread to "sign up" here. I fully support splitting the community in terms of trading/parties/raids/guilds into two groups, those who cheat and those who don't. If you are not in favor of this or wish to remain neutral on the subject of speed hack you don't need to reply to this thread Segregation XD that sounds kinda like a race war. Humor me, who do you think is really bugging the devs, the sh user who doesn't report anything and minds there own or the non sh user who's constantly harassing them to do something about sh users? You know they're "famous" players who use sh and bot right? And you know it's been around since this game began. And you know there is absolutely nothing you can do about it right? Y'all acting real narrow minded, the devs are going to have enough of your constant harassments and whining about cheat tools and shut it down. Your constant nagging is putting the game to risk far more than sh users are. For one you'll never know who all the sh/bot users are, and secondly take an example from history, segregation is never the answer That is the stinkiest, sloppiest lot of sht I have heard yet mate. The people that whinge about sh are the 1s actually paying their way mate, sh users...I can damn well guarantee there are far far fewer sh users that put money in to the actual game than there are honest players that "whinge" about sh. And it IS something to be whinged about because it DOES cause bugs in the game. Now as far as I am concerned, asobimo would make far more money if they had an actual GM in game to police things as the simple knowledge of there actually being some1 and certain examples being made would see the use of sh drop at least 60% and would see alot more honest players remain in game who are likely to put more money into it. The greatest threat to the game is if it's not pulling in enough money which it won't be if honest players keep leaving. "Who's to say sh users don't put money in?" I hear you ask, mainly about the only sh users I see putting money in are those who make their money off others by selling spina for what I personally equate to small change(which is alot more than small in the countries many of these sh users come from) and considering there are people using such things as coin hacks also. They want all the advantage without having to work for it and preferably not pay for it from their own pocket. Now tell me, just who is the greatest threat to a possible repeat of what happened with celes arca?
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Post by bravebor on Oct 30, 2015 22:27:02 GMT
This isn't a rant thread. I should've put more time into writing the original post. I just wanted all the people who are supporting the segregating theory brought up in the other SH thread to "sign up" here. I fully support splitting the community in terms of trading/parties/raids/guilds into two groups, those who cheat and those who don't. If you are not in favor of this or wish to remain neutral on the subject of speed hack you don't need to reply to this thread Segregation XD that sounds kinda like a race war. Humor me, who do you think is really bugging the devs, the sh user who doesn't report anything and minds there own or the non sh user who's constantly harassing them to do something about sh users? You know they're "famous" players who use sh and bot right? And you know it's been around since this game began. And you know there is absolutely nothing you can do about it right? Y'all acting real narrow minded, the devs are going to have enough of your constant harassments and whining about cheat tools and shut it down. Your constant nagging is putting the game to risk far more than sh users are. For one you'll never know who all the sh/bot users are, and secondly take an example from history, segregation is never the answer Also, I can reply to whatever I want lol as long as it pertains to the subject of the thread xD 1 more thing: To reason that such forms of cheating have been there since the game began and there's nothing can be done about it is the same as in some countries where bribery and corruption are extremely prevalent and when some1 looking to make things more streamlined and effective would look to removing those relics of the past which held them back so much, they face the massive hurdle of "it's been around since forever" "it's just how things are done" "if it's not broke don't fix it" And it is this very form of thinking on these things that continues to hold these places back and deny them possible opportunities and which thereby fails to benefit their people. It's this form of thinking which prevents any form of actual progression.
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Post by Crysta| on Oct 30, 2015 22:30:58 GMT
This isn't a rant thread. I should've put more time into writing the original post. I just wanted all the people who are supporting the segregating theory brought up in the other SH thread to "sign up" here. I fully support splitting the community in terms of trading/parties/raids/guilds into two groups, those who cheat and those who don't. If you are not in favor of this or wish to remain neutral on the subject of speed hack you don't need to reply to this thread Segregation XD that sounds kinda like a race war. Humor me, who do you think is really bugging the devs, the sh user who doesn't report anything and minds there own or the non sh user who's constantly harassing them to do something about sh users? You know they're "famous" players who use sh and bot right? And you know it's been around since this game began. And you know there is absolutely nothing you can do about it right? Y'all acting real narrow minded, the devs are going to have enough of your constant harassments and whining about cheat tools and shut it down. Your constant nagging is putting the game to risk far more than sh users are. For one you'll never know who all the sh/bot users are, and secondly take an example from history, segregation is never the answer Also, I can reply to whatever I want lol as long as it pertains to the subject of the thread xD The community can make a difference in the number of speed hack if we choose to excommunicate the speed hacking percent of the community. Just because someone doesn't have the same opinion doesn't make them narrow minded. Also intentionally derailing a thread is extremely rude.
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Post by Lysith on Oct 30, 2015 22:47:57 GMT
Just build a bridge and get over it - not like it has any impact on your real life,; that's if you have one outside of whining about speedhackers whenever you have the chance.
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Post by bravebor on Oct 30, 2015 23:04:11 GMT
Just build a bridge and get over it - not like it has any impact on your real life,; that's if you have one outside of whining about speedhackers whenever you have the chance. It's something many of us quite enjoy(the game that is) but as with anything, when there is something of which makes a blight on something we enjoy, some of us will do whatever we can to make it healthier and more enjoyable so others find the same kind of enjoyment as we did when we 1st came here.
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Post by Cerulean on Oct 30, 2015 23:26:09 GMT
Segregation XD that sounds kinda like a race war. Humor me, who do you think is really bugging the devs, the sh user who doesn't report anything and minds there own or the non sh user who's constantly harassing them to do something about sh users? You know they're "famous" players who use sh and bot right? And you know it's been around since this game began. And you know there is absolutely nothing you can do about it right? Y'all acting real narrow minded, the devs are going to have enough of your constant harassments and whining about cheat tools and shut it down. Your constant nagging is putting the game to risk far more than sh users are. For one you'll never know who all the sh/bot users are, and secondly take an example from history, segregation is never the answer That is the stinkiest, sloppiest lot of sht I have heard yet mate. The people that whinge about sh are the 1s actually paying their way mate, sh users...I can damn well guarantee there are far far fewer sh users that put money in to the actual game than there are honest players that "whinge" about sh. And it IS something to be whinged about because it DOES cause bugs in the game. Now as far as I am concerned, asobimo would make far more money if they had an actual GM in game to police things as the simple knowledge of there actually being some1 and certain examples being made would see the use of sh drop at least 60% and would see alot more honest players remain in game who are likely to put more money into it. The greatest threat to the game is if it's not pulling in enough money which it won't be if honest players keep leaving. "Who's to say sh users don't put money in?" I hear you ask, mainly about the only sh users I see putting money in are those who make their money off others by selling spina for what I personally equate to small change(which is alot more than small in the countries many of these sh users come from) and considering there are people using such things as coin hacks also. They want all the advantage without having to work for it and preferably not pay for it from their own pocket. Now tell me, just who is the greatest threat to a possible repeat of what happened with celes arca? XD let me be real to you real quick, in game "police" would cost them money, and would be a job position for an entire force of people working asking the clock to do such, you think they wanna put that much time and effort into that for those who complain about sh to be happy? How many times have you reported a player and nothing happen? They're a business and your a number. They don't care about this whole issue @famine there still sh/bot in JP? If yes they're way ahead of us and nothing has been done, if no they clearly have a way to fix the issue but just don't care enough to implement it in eng. if they really wanted to they can ban all forms of rooted device like avabel and it would solve this whole issue. But do they? Of course not. I myself have reported a single player countless times giving the description of "speed hack/modded apk (location and server)" and yet even after few weeks of it nothing has changed or been done. It's a cleaner and less expensive job to ignore you then deal with speed hacker/botter issues and that's a simple fact they let the sh players run rooted devices so they're happy they update security so you think they're trying to solve the issue you're happy. It's simply just how it works, if you don't like sh players don't associate with them it's that simple, think of real life, there's someone you don't like, what do you do? Ignore them? Avoid them? Ban them from your work place/school? And I can guarantee you've traded goods with a sh/bot player. And if you know what ↑ ↑ ↓ ↓ ← → ← → is you've cheated a game at some point. And what map bugs? Lol "slow spawn" you know when you target a mob and someone targets the same out of pt it clones it and you both get it right? "Lag" you're not on a wired connection bro.
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Post by Crysta| on Oct 30, 2015 23:27:00 GMT
Just build a bridge and get over it - not like it has any impact on your real life,; that's if you have one outside of whining about speedhackers whenever you have the chance. Maybe take this approach before pressing the "Reply to topic" button.
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Post by Cerulean on Oct 30, 2015 23:29:07 GMT
Segregation XD that sounds kinda like a race war. Humor me, who do you think is really bugging the devs, the sh user who doesn't report anything and minds there own or the non sh user who's constantly harassing them to do something about sh users? You know they're "famous" players who use sh and bot right? And you know it's been around since this game began. And you know there is absolutely nothing you can do about it right? Y'all acting real narrow minded, the devs are going to have enough of your constant harassments and whining about cheat tools and shut it down. Your constant nagging is putting the game to risk far more than sh users are. For one you'll never know who all the sh/bot users are, and secondly take an example from history, segregation is never the answer Also, I can reply to whatever I want lol as long as it pertains to the subject of the thread xD 1 more thing: To reason that such forms of cheating have been there since the game began and there's nothing can be done about it is the same as in some countries where bribery and corruption are extremely prevalent and when some1 looking to make things more streamlined and effective would look to removing those relics of the past which held them back so much, they face the massive hurdle of "it's been around since forever" "it's just how things are done" "if it's not broke don't fix it" And it is this very form of thinking on these things that continues to hold these places back and deny them possible opportunities and which thereby fails to benefit their people. It's this form of thinking which prevents any form of actual progression. Cannot the same thing be said about all government? They all have some degree of corruption in them but while that's in our real life you're sitting in your room complaining about a video game.
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Post by Lysith on Oct 30, 2015 23:32:35 GMT
Just build a bridge and get over it - not like it has any impact on your real life,; that's if you have one outside of whining about speedhackers whenever you have the chance. Maybe take this approach before pressing the "Reply to topic" button. Actually, I clicked the "post quick reply" button.
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Post by Cerulean on Oct 30, 2015 23:41:46 GMT
Segregation XD that sounds kinda like a race war. Humor me, who do you think is really bugging the devs, the sh user who doesn't report anything and minds there own or the non sh user who's constantly harassing them to do something about sh users? You know they're "famous" players who use sh and bot right? And you know it's been around since this game began. And you know there is absolutely nothing you can do about it right? Y'all acting real narrow minded, the devs are going to have enough of your constant harassments and whining about cheat tools and shut it down. Your constant nagging is putting the game to risk far more than sh users are. For one you'll never know who all the sh/bot users are, and secondly take an example from history, segregation is never the answer Also, I can reply to whatever I want lol as long as it pertains to the subject of the thread xD The community can make a difference in the number of speed hack if we choose to excommunicate the speed hacking percent of the community. Just because someone doesn't have the same opinion doesn't make them narrow minded. Also intentionally derailing a thread is extremely rude. Now how will you ever match there ign with there forum name? And I agree difference of opinion doesn't make one narrow minded but the ignorance of not seeing the bigger picture and realize their course of action is more harmful to there own cauis is. And whether it's rude or not doesn't entirely matter, if you have the right to express yourself so do I, it's a open ended thread any are allowed to discuss it. Being a sh user is not against forum rules, but this whole thread however is against forum rules "-Actions that are against the Terms of Use of Iruna and the discussion thereof are prohibited. This includes: Real-Money Trading, sharing botting/hacking/glitching techniques, and more. For a full list refer to: iruna-online.com/riyoukiyaku " as per the community guidelines, actions that are against the Terms of Use of Iruna and the DISCUSSION thereof are prohibited, it doesn't say if you are for or against it but is the generalization of it.
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Post by bravebor on Oct 30, 2015 23:45:42 GMT
1 more thing: To reason that such forms of cheating have been there since the game began and there's nothing can be done about it is the same as in some countries where bribery and corruption are extremely prevalent and when some1 looking to make things more streamlined and effective would look to removing those relics of the past which held them back so much, they face the massive hurdle of "it's been around since forever" "it's just how things are done" "if it's not broke don't fix it" And it is this very form of thinking on these things that continues to hold these places back and deny them possible opportunities and which thereby fails to benefit their people. It's this form of thinking which prevents any form of actual progression. Cannot the same thing be said about all government? They all have some degree of corruption in them but while that's in our real life you're sitting in your room complaining about a video game. I'm actually sitting at the gym atm. It's not a matter of "is sh gone from jp iruna due to an active in game GM" as "is there LESS sh in jp iruna because of an in game GM" and I'm pretty certain that @famine just as @shiruiyui said in his thread "dear iruna community" that there is a crap ton less sh there than what you see on eng iruna, that being the case, if things were cleaned up to an extent simply because ppl would be wary to use sh or buy or sell spina in game simply because there is an in game GM not because of overly active policing. Less sh and less rmt which prove a turn off to many who have left the game because of these things would be far more likely to hang around or return to iruna if things were cleaned up some which of course would equal $$$ And trust me mate, I've been around in this big bad world long enough and dealt with enough bullsht by now to have a fair fkn idea how this all works.
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Post by Lysith on Oct 30, 2015 23:45:53 GMT
The community can make a difference in the number of speed hack if we choose to excommunicate the speed hacking percent of the community. Just because someone doesn't have the same opinion doesn't make them narrow minded. Also intentionally derailing a thread is extremely rude. Now how will you ever match there ign with there forum name? And I agree difference of opinion doesn't make one narrow minded but the ignorance of not seeing the bigger picture and realize their course of action is more harmful to there own cauis is. And whether it's rude or not doesn't entirely matter, if you have the right to express yourself so do I, it's a open ended thread any are allowed to discuss it. Being a sh user is not against forum rules, but this whole thread however is against forum rules "-Actions that are against the Terms of Use of Iruna and the discussion thereof are prohibited. This includes: Real-Money Trading, sharing botting/hacking/glitching techniques, and more. For a full list refer to: iruna-online.com/riyoukiyaku " as per the community guidelines, actions that are against the Terms of Use of Iruna and the DISCUSSION thereof are prohibited, it doesn't say if you are for or against it but is the generalization of it. Give this guy a cookie!
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Post by Crysta| on Oct 31, 2015 0:08:40 GMT
The community can make a difference in the number of speed hack if we choose to excommunicate the speed hacking percent of the community. Just because someone doesn't have the same opinion doesn't make them narrow minded. Also intentionally derailing a thread is extremely rude. Now how will you ever match there ign with there forum name? And I agree difference of opinion doesn't make one narrow minded but the ignorance of not seeing the bigger picture and realize their course of action is more harmful to there own cauis is. And whether it's rude or not doesn't entirely matter, if you have the right to express yourself so do I, it's a open ended thread any are allowed to discuss it. Being a sh user is not against forum rules, but this whole thread however is against forum rules "-Actions that are against the Terms of Use of Iruna and the discussion thereof are prohibited. This includes: Real-Money Trading, sharing botting/hacking/glitching techniques, and more. For a full list refer to: iruna-online.com/riyoukiyaku " as per the community guidelines, actions that are against the Terms of Use of Iruna and the DISCUSSION thereof are prohibited, it doesn't say if you are for or against it but is the generalization of it. Many people post their ign if they use the marketplace here on the forums (I think that's what brings most forum members here). I believe people who choose to fight speed hack are less harmful than those who choose to ignore it. Use the Report Post button if you see a rule broken, instead of continually posting off topic replies in attempts to get a thread locked maybe just use the report option, though I take it you don't prefer this method.
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Post by Crysta|'s hubby on Oct 31, 2015 0:14:51 GMT
Just build a bridge and get over it - not like it has any impact on your real life,; that's if you have one outside of whining about speedhackers whenever you have the chance. Take ur own advice arent u wasting ur life whining about everyone here whining about speed hack?in that case ur just being a hypocrite so ur words dont mean a thing if even u wont listen to them
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