mokie
Community Contributor
|
Post by mokie on Sept 22, 2015 7:07:23 GMT
Hi, just a short question.
How bad is it gonna be if I use 3 Kaize Piltzes instead of 3 HP20%s? I can not imagine it.
|
|
Yazmat
Community Contributor
Pally Lv351 | Alchy Lv318
|
Post by Yazmat on Sept 22, 2015 8:36:01 GMT
Hi, just a short question. How bad is it gonna be if I use 3 Kaize Piltzes instead of 3 HP20%s? I can not imagine it. think you can use it against mobs and low bosses. you just have to switch if it gets harder. never used one myself
|
|
|
Post by lacs on Sept 22, 2015 14:50:07 GMT
I was partying with a friend with 3 Kayze plits, I was using 3 +20% hp, the damage I was dealing was lower by like 2k, I was receiving damage for 100 or less, he was receiving damage for 1k or more...
|
|
Yazmat
Community Contributor
Pally Lv351 | Alchy Lv318
|
Post by Yazmat on Sept 22, 2015 15:35:05 GMT
I was partying with a friend with 3 Kayze plits, I was using 3 +20% hp, the damage I was dealing was lower by like 2k, I was receiving damage for 100 or less, he was receiving damage for 1k or more... That is too much
|
|
mokie
Community Contributor
|
Post by mokie on Sept 22, 2015 18:28:46 GMT
Thank you, lacs. That is the useful experiences for sharing with.
|
|
|
Post by lacs on Sept 22, 2015 20:02:26 GMT
yes. that is indeed too much, just so you can understand how bad Kayze is, I think it gives 30% hp but lowers 10% melee and magic resistence, our most powerful tanking skill (which I just forget the name XD the one that last 30 sec at lvl 1 and 1 min at lvl 2) offers 60% melee and magic (I think this is pretty high) using 3 Kayze makes that skill just half effective, which is nuts, just imagine, when I was killing almas (or at least trying) using full buffs, I was receiving 10k damage, using full buffs, without I was receiving over 30k, that pally I was partying cold have received 30% more damage, which somehow, 10k turns into 16k, and 30k turns into 40k, melee and magic resistence is really useful for us pallys, that's why I don't like Kayze plitz, not even douin (the one that gives 40% hp on ring and also lowers melee and magic, but a little lower than Kayze (don't remember, feel free to correct of please) but my friend is fine now, I have him a cherry seed, he was being healed by over 9k every 5 seconds.
I say that, if you can find a way to stay max on hp always, then Kayze can be pretty OP, if not, it will only turn you into a glass tank
|
|
mokie
Community Contributor
|
Post by mokie on Sept 22, 2015 20:31:26 GMT
yes. that is indeed too much, just so you can understand how bad Kayze is, I think it gives 30% hp but lowers 10% melee and magic resistence, our most powerful tanking skill (which I just forget the name XD the one that last 30 sec at lvl 1 and 1 min at lvl 2) offers 60% melee and magic (I think this is pretty high) using 3 Kayze makes that skill just half effective, which is nuts, just imagine, when I was killing almas (or at least trying) using full buffs, I was receiving 10k damage, using full buffs, without I was receiving over 30k, that pally I was partying cold have received 30% more damage, which somehow, 10k turns into 16k, and 30k turns into 40k, melee and magic resistence is really useful for us pallys, that's why I don't like Kayze plitz, not even douin (the one that gives 40% hp on ring and also lowers melee and magic, but a little lower than Kayze (don't remember, feel free to correct of please) but my friend is fine now, I have him a cherry seed, he was being healed by over 9k every 5 seconds. I say that, if you can find a way to stay max on hp always, then Kayze can be pretty OP, if not, it will only turn you into a glass tank Actually, Douin does not lower melee or magic R. It reduces 5%atk and matk.
|
|
mokie
Community Contributor
|
Post by mokie on Sept 22, 2015 20:33:03 GMT
Anyway, I decide to stick with hp20%. The increasing damage from kaize plitz is looked terrible. >.<
|
|
mokie
Community Contributor
|
Post by mokie on Sept 22, 2015 20:48:36 GMT
BTW, I got a super crazy idea, again.
Lacs said Fortis give 60%magic R. If I wear Ama no Habikiri(+5%magic R), Gold Armor(+15% magic R), Grim shield(+10%magic R), and Scholar Ring(If VIT> 199 Magic Resistance +10%), the magic R will be 100%.
Does that mean I will get super low magic damage?
That should be a nice set for VIT>DEX>STR Build as tanker.
|
|
|
Post by lacs on Sept 22, 2015 22:23:47 GMT
BTW, I got a super crazy idea, again. Lacs said Fortis give 60%magic R. If I wear Ama no Habikiri(+5%magic R), Gold Armor(+15% magic R), Grim shield(+10%magic R), and Scholar Ring(If VIT> 199 Magic Resistance +10%), the magic R will be 100%. Does that mean I will get super low magic damage? That should be a nice set for VIT>DEX>STR Build as tanker. it could actually still, your build needs int for mp pool, but in theory, you might actually become immune to magic
|
|
Yazmat
Community Contributor
Pally Lv351 | Alchy Lv318
|
Post by Yazmat on Sept 23, 2015 5:51:41 GMT
BTW, I got a super crazy idea, again. Lacs said Fortis give 60%magic R. If I wear Ama no Habikiri(+5%magic R), Gold Armor(+15% magic R), Grim shield(+10%magic R), and Scholar Ring(If VIT> 199 Magic Resistance +10%), the magic R will be 100%. Does that mean I will get super low magic damage? That should be a nice set for VIT>DEX>STR Build as tanker. try it lol
|
|
mokie
Community Contributor
|
Post by mokie on Sept 23, 2015 7:27:20 GMT
The problem is I'm too lazy to find those gears.
|
|
Yazmat
Community Contributor
Pally Lv351 | Alchy Lv318
|
Post by Yazmat on Sept 23, 2015 9:15:44 GMT
The problem is I'm too lazy to find those gears. just buy ns one and try lol
|
|
bravebor
Community Contributor
to slack to give a damn, yet to bored to not say anything...
|
Post by bravebor on Sept 23, 2015 12:00:58 GMT
BTW, I got a super crazy idea, again. Lacs said Fortis give 60%magic R. If I wear Ama no Habikiri(+5%magic R), Gold Armor(+15% magic R), Grim shield(+10%magic R), and Scholar Ring(If VIT> 199 Magic Resistance +10%), the magic R will be 100%. Does that mean I will get super low magic damage? That should be a nice set for VIT>DEX>STR Build as tanker. Hmm I think no matter what way u look at it...it's just not feasible. The big thing for pal after guardian is hp, thergo the attractiveness of kaize piltz with its 30%+hp, but if u need to trade off for gear lacking +hp% u may as well just stick with hp+20%, tho I think, would take some experimenting tho, if u do go for trade off of -10% def&mdef for the extra 10%hp with kaize piltz it would be better equipped to +hp gear on the theme of higher hp kind of evens out on extra dmg recieved but with higher atk meaning quicker kills which can be safer sometimes than higher def. I have experimented on this to an extent on botaniga with my izumonukami that I have equipped with kaize piltze and DID find with quicker kill on it I received less dmg and alsoneeded to use less mp pots than with my w.trans/+20%hp with its def up by dex and my dex is extended with apostilia(wot stats on our long awaited w.trans up? Is it like ama with up by 2 just by dex instead of by lvl?) so think it might to an extent even out if u equip to miwi hat with its +25%hp, saltus up/ re up for its +10% and I think +5% atk on the re up (ik it's +2% on the up) and +10%hp on izu also tho it does have +str and +atk also, tho I think maybe switch back to wot u would normally use for the hard hitting mobs which would certainly cancel out any theorized equalizer with the higher hp, but for a lot of bosses or just farming for prod this might work out alright. I do invite people to act as guinea pigs for this so I will know for sure tho
|
|
Yazmat
Community Contributor
Pally Lv351 | Alchy Lv318
|
Post by Yazmat on Sept 23, 2015 14:04:52 GMT
BTW, I got a super crazy idea, again. Lacs said Fortis give 60%magic R. If I wear Ama no Habikiri(+5%magic R), Gold Armor(+15% magic R), Grim shield(+10%magic R), and Scholar Ring(If VIT> 199 Magic Resistance +10%), the magic R will be 100%. Does that mean I will get super low magic damage? That should be a nice set for VIT>DEX>STR Build as tanker. Hmm I think no matter what way u look at it...it's just not feasible. The big thing for pal after guardian is hp, thergo the attractiveness of kaize piltz with its 30%+hp, but if u need to trade off for gear lacking +hp% u may as well just stick with hp+20%, tho I think, would take some experimenting tho, if u do go for trade off of -10% def&mdef for the extra 10%hp with kaize piltz it would be better equipped to +hp gear on the theme of higher hp kind of evens out on extra dmg recieved but with higher atk meaning quicker kills which can be safer sometimes than higher def. I have experimented on this to an extent on botaniga with my izumonukami that I have equipped with kaize piltze and DID find with quicker kill on it I received less dmg and alsoneeded to use less mp pots than with my w.trans/+20%hp with its def up by dex and my dex is extended with apostilia(wot stats on our long awaited w.trans up? Is it like ama with up by 2 just by dex instead of by lvl?) so think it might to an extent even out if u equip to miwi hat with its +25%hp, saltus up/ re up for its +10% and I think +5% atk on the re up (ik it's +2% on the up) and +10%hp on izu also tho it does have +str and +atk also, tho I think maybe switch back to wot u would normally use for the hard hitting mobs which would certainly cancel out any theorized equalizer with the higher hp, but for a lot of bosses or just farming for prod this might work out alright. I do invite people to act as guinea pigs for this so I will know for sure tho the equips mokie suggested is not for using Kaiz Plitz, it just for having 100% magic resist... which theologically gives you immunity of magic attacks (that is why we need field testing) (might say we went a little off topic maybe...)
|
|