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Post by Aam RachsUchtig on Aug 11, 2015 7:01:43 GMT
Hi i wanna ask about critical rate here. before i know max critical rate is 95% at 256 point stat, and never go above 95% right?
question 1: i have samurai with lvl cap and crt cap on apostolia, absolute clarity effect is up your crt base on lvl.
my question, base lvl is 290=290 crt and 145 on apostolia (half by lvl), so total is 290+145=435 crt on stat true or not?
and anyone know, how much max crt value?
question 2: im raised my crt point to 401 (256+145 from cap crt apostolia), and using daiginjo up (-70% crt rate). anyone know how to calculate it? i just know, if have base crt rate 5% and get 30% crt rate from equip, the calculate is 5% + (5%*30%) = 6.5% true or not?
please read it carefull, give your best assumption & answer, thank your for anyone read&answer my post.
Best Regrads
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Post by Ryukengan on Aug 11, 2015 9:29:57 GMT
Hi i wanna ask about critical rate here. before i know max critical rate is 95% at 256 point stat, and never go above 95% right? question 1: i have samurai with lvl cap and crt cap on apostolia, absolute clarity effect is up your crt base on lvl. my question, base lvl is 290=290 crt and 145 on apostolia (half by lvl), so total is 290+145=435 crt on stat true or not? and anyone know, how much max crt value? question 2: im raised my crt point to 401 (256+145 from cap crt apostolia), and using daiginjo up (-70% crt rate). anyone know how to calculate it? i just know, if have base crt rate 5% and get 30% crt rate from equip, the calculate is 5% + (5%*30%) = 6.5% true or not? please read it carefull, give your best assumption & answer, thank your for anyone read&answer my post. Best Regrads Wrong, the maximum amount of CRT you can currently achieve through stats and AC without equip is 401. You may have leveled Apostolia CRT but it doesn't actually give you any status points until you invest status points into the CRT status, it merely raises the cap which you can attain. So right now you must have 111 status points invested into CRT to reach your status CRT cap (290 from AC+111 from status points = 401 CRT), this value gets lower with every level and EVERY STATUS POINT ABOVE IT IS A WASTE OF STATUS POINTS (I hope this makes sense to you, if not read up on Apostolia under guides again). Assuming you have 401 CRT you have a base crit chance of 138.6% (which is lowered to 95% by the system), that would mean with Daiginjo you would have 41.6% crit chance. You don't have a base Crit Rate, you probably got it mixed up with the base crit chance of 5%, assuming you get 30% crt rate from equip you would have 83.2% crit chance. If you don't understand just reply and I'll add all the calculations if you want. |
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Post by Mahouko on Aug 11, 2015 13:06:12 GMT
Ryu explained it perfectly. Simple formula is 256 + (Lvl*.5), assuming you have Crt release stat capped to match your level (Lvl/2).
Edit - I'm making an assumption that Crt release stat would need to match level (Lvl/2), but this may or may not be true. My Samurai Crt stat release is 145, so I have no way to actually test this.
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Post by Aam RachsUchtig on Aug 11, 2015 17:40:57 GMT
Hi i wanna ask about critical rate here. before i know max critical rate is 95% at 256 point stat, and never go above 95% right? question 1: i have samurai with lvl cap and crt cap on apostolia, absolute clarity effect is up your crt base on lvl. my question, base lvl is 290=290 crt and 145 on apostolia (half by lvl), so total is 290+145=435 crt on stat true or not? and anyone know, how much max crt value? question 2: im raised my crt point to 401 (256+145 from cap crt apostolia), and using daiginjo up (-70% crt rate). anyone know how to calculate it? i just know, if have base crt rate 5% and get 30% crt rate from equip, the calculate is 5% + (5%*30%) = 6.5% true or not? please read it carefull, give your best assumption & answer, thank your for anyone read&answer my post. Best Regrads Wrong, the maximum amount of CRT you can currently achieve through stats and AC without equip is 401. You may have leveled Apostolia CRT but it doesn't actually give you any status points until you invest status points into the CRT status, it merely raises the cap which you can attain. So right now you must have 111 status points invested into CRT to reach your status CRT cap (290 from AC+111 from status points = 401 CRT), this value gets lower with every level and EVERY STATUS POINT ABOVE IT IS A WASTE OF STATUS POINTS (I hope this makes sense to you, if not read up on Apostolia under guides again). Assuming you have 401 CRT you have a base crit chance of 138.6% (which is lowered to 95% by the system), that would mean with Daiginjo you would have 41.6% crit chance. You don't have a base Crit Rate, you probably got it mixed up with the base crit chance of 5%, assuming you get 30% crt rate from equip you would have 83.2% crit chance. If you don't understand just reply and I'll add all the calculations if you want. hhmm okay, now i know how to it works. idk its your assumption or your experience, but im understand what do you mean. my next question, how to cover my crt chance for more better if using daiginjo? what i must use , Ai xtal type? abi? equip? please give your opinions for the best, im still confused how to make it work for my monk.. done with my samurai have got crt chance atm |
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Post by Elsydeon on Aug 12, 2015 0:57:55 GMT
Wrong, the maximum amount of CRT you can currently achieve through stats and AC without equip is 401. You may have leveled Apostolia CRT but it doesn't actually give you any status points until you invest status points into the CRT status, it merely raises the cap which you can attain. So right now you must have 111 status points invested into CRT to reach your status CRT cap (290 from AC+111 from status points = 401 CRT), this value gets lower with every level and EVERY STATUS POINT ABOVE IT IS A WASTE OF STATUS POINTS (I hope this makes sense to you, if not read up on Apostolia under guides again). Assuming you have 401 CRT you have a base crit chance of 138.6% (which is lowered to 95% by the system), that would mean with Daiginjo you would have 41.6% crit chance. You don't have a base Crit Rate, you probably got it mixed up with the base crit chance of 5%, assuming you get 30% crt rate from equip you would have 83.2% crit chance. If you don't understand just reply and I'll add all the calculations if you want. hhmm okay, now i know how to it works. idk its your assumption or your experience, but im understand what do you mean. my next question, how to cover my crt chance for more better if using daiginjo? what i must use , Ai xtal type? abi? equip? please give your opinions for the best, im still confused how to make it work for my monk.. done with my samurai have got crt chance atm If you think you already have enough survivability to handle -25% phys resist, then take Ira to cancel atleast 20% of the daiginjo's penalty, in other words, instead of having a 70% penalty, itll be reduced to 50% penalty, if you reckon you cant, then use Ultimi for the Crit up. And for the abilities, ofcourse its Tech, get atleast lvl 4 and 5. Al crysta line would be purple. |
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Post by Aam RachsUchtig on Aug 12, 2015 2:17:10 GMT
hhmm okay, now i know how to it works. idk its your assumption or your experience, but im understand what do you mean. my next question, how to cover my crt chance for more better if using daiginjo? what i must use , Ai xtal type? abi? equip? please give your opinions for the best, im still confused how to make it work for my monk.. done with my samurai have got crt chance atm If you think you already have enough survivability to handle -25% phys resist, then take Ira to cancel atleast 20% of the daiginjo's penalty, in other words, instead of having a 70% penalty, itll be reduced to 50% penalty, if you reckon you cant, then use Ultimi for the Crit up. And for the abilities, ofcourse its Tech, get atleast lvl 4 and 5. Al crysta line would be purple. i dont have problem for that because my monk is geo spammer. ira can give 10% crt rate, why you tell it can reduced become 50%? or is total reduced after using tec 4,5, and purple line? how about using xyeltis xtal? i have more problem for spam if using tec, coz im using QC for almost all my equip. and max CRT at stat point can give more chance like double att, shell break? |
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Post by Senpai on Aug 12, 2015 2:21:35 GMT
If you think you already have enough survivability to handle -25% phys resist, then take Ira to cancel atleast 20% of the daiginjo's penalty, in other words, instead of having a 70% penalty, itll be reduced to 50% penalty, if you reckon you cant, then use Ultimi for the Crit up. And for the abilities, ofcourse its Tech, get atleast lvl 4 and 5. Al crysta line would be purple. i dont have problem for that because my monk is geo spammer. ira can give 10% crt rate, why you tell it can reduced become 50%? or is total reduced after using tec 4,5, and purple line? how about using xyeltis xtal? i have more problem for spam if using tec, coz im using QC for almost all my equip. and max CRT at stat point can give more chance like double att, shell break? ira gives +20% crt rate. |
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Post by Elsydeon on Aug 12, 2015 2:30:51 GMT
i dont have problem for that because my monk is geo spammer. ira can give 10% crt rate, why you tell it can reduced become 50%? or is total reduced after using tec 4,5, and purple line? how about using xyeltis xtal? i have more problem for spam if using tec, coz im using QC for almost all my equip. and max CRT at stat point can give more chance like double att, shell break? ira gives +20% crt rate. Tnx senpai |
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Post by Ryukengan on Aug 12, 2015 2:38:28 GMT
Aam RachsUchtig As Elsydeon mentioned Ira is ideal for this, especially on a Monk the stats on Ira are perfect, together with Daiginjo that would get you down to -50%, in Episode 3, Chapter 7 (not that far away) there will be an AL xtal that grants 10% crit rate called Mamonea, if you were to use Purple Lines or a Technique ability with capped CRT you will easily reach and most likely overcap some crit chance since by then the level cap will also be a bit higher. If you really can't wait for this AL xtal you must stack Technique abilities.
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Post by Aam RachsUchtig on Aug 12, 2015 5:15:03 GMT
Aam RachsUchtig As Elsydeon mentioned Ira is ideal for this, especially on a Monk the stats on Ira are perfect, together with Daiginjo that would get you down to -50%, in Episode 3, Chapter 7 (not that far away) there will be an AL xtal that grants 10% crit rate called Mamonea, if you were to use Purple Lines or a Technique ability with capped CRT you will easily reach and most likely overcap some crit chance since by then the level cap will also be a bit higher. If you really can't wait for this AL xtal you must stack Technique abilities. so can you give me calculate for total % crt rate i get after using purple line and using abi tec? assumption using tec 5 and 4. i see at youtube axel the assasin, he using daiginjo and get 200k+ damage to nomar and dont have problem with crt rate (because i see he's damage always constans) and still can spam backstap. |
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Post by UIRepth on Aug 12, 2015 8:53:24 GMT
Aam RachsUchtig As Elsydeon mentioned Ira is ideal for this, especially on a Monk the stats on Ira are perfect, together with Daiginjo that would get you down to -50%, in Episode 3, Chapter 7 (not that far away) there will be an AL xtal that grants 10% crit rate called Mamonea, if you were to use Purple Lines or a Technique ability with capped CRT you will easily reach and most likely overcap some crit chance since by then the level cap will also be a bit higher. If you really can't wait for this AL xtal you must stack Technique abilities. so can you give me calculate for total % crt rate i get after using purple line and using abi tec? assumption using tec 5 and 4. i see at youtube axel the assasin, he using daiginjo and get 200k+ damage to nomar and dont have problem with crt rate (because i see he's damage always constans) and still can spam backstap. Crit rate has nothing to do with backstab. Backstab damage depend on crit dmg unlike issen base on atk but can generate crit |
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Post by Aam RachsUchtig on Aug 12, 2015 9:00:02 GMT
so can you give me calculate for total % crt rate i get after using purple line and using abi tec? assumption using tec 5 and 4. i see at youtube axel the assasin, he using daiginjo and get 200k+ damage to nomar and dont have problem with crt rate (because i see he's damage always constans) and still can spam backstap. Crit rate has nothing to do with backstab. Backstab damage depend on crit dmg unlike issen base on atk but can generate crit are you sure with that? so assasin just focus for raised crt damage? how about geo breaker? |
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Post by Ryukengan on Aug 12, 2015 14:22:24 GMT
Aam RachsUchtig As Elsydeon mentioned Ira is ideal for this, especially on a Monk the stats on Ira are perfect, together with Daiginjo that would get you down to -50%, in Episode 3, Chapter 7 (not that far away) there will be an AL xtal that grants 10% crit rate called Mamonea, if you were to use Purple Lines or a Technique ability with capped CRT you will easily reach and most likely overcap some crit chance since by then the level cap will also be a bit higher. If you really can't wait for this AL xtal you must stack Technique abilities. so can you give me calculate for total % crt rate i get after using purple line and using abi tec? assumption using tec 5 and 4. i see at youtube axel the assasin, he using daiginjo and get 200k+ damage to nomar and dont have problem with crt rate (because i see he's damage always constans) and still can spam backstap. Well if you use Ira and the Mamonea xtal that will grant you +30% crit rate, which lowers the malus of Daiginjo to -40% crit rate, so whatever crit chance you have must be multiplied by 0.6 to get the correct value when equipping Daiginjo. If you have a level 300 Monk with capped CRT and use Tech 5, 4, as well as purple lines you will get way past the critical chance cap. Here is the calculation: 256+150 = 406 CRT / 3 = 135 % crit chance + 5% base crit chance + 30% (~Purple Lines estimation) + 25% (Tech5) + 20% (Tech4) = 215 * 0.6 (crit rate multiplicator) = 129% crit chance (effectively 95%)So you can see that you will reach crit chance cap even without Mamonea xtal with this setup, however Ira is still required. If you do opt for Mamonea xtal and Ira I recommend you to use Autoskill/QC abilities instead of Tech 4 and Tech 5, because you can still reach cap crit chance as shown in this calculation: 135% crit chance + 5% base crit chance + 30% Purple Line = 170% * 0.6 (crit rate multiplicator) = 102% crit chance (effectively 95%) You can even use different AL lines, as long as you use a Tech 4 ability along with Ira and Mamonea you would reach cap crit chance if you have 406 CRT as shown here: 135% crit chance +5% base crit chance + 20% Tech4 = 160% * 0.6 (crit rate multiplicator) = 96 % crit chance (effectively 95%)As you can see there are a lot of options with which you can achieve cap critical chance; there's more than I have listed but these are some examples. |
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Post by Aam RachsUchtig on Aug 12, 2015 20:26:46 GMT
so can you give me calculate for total % crt rate i get after using purple line and using abi tec? assumption using tec 5 and 4. i see at youtube axel the assasin, he using daiginjo and get 200k+ damage to nomar and dont have problem with crt rate (because i see he's damage always constans) and still can spam backstap. Well if you use Ira and the Mamonea xtal that will grant you +30% crit rate, which lowers the malus of Daiginjo to -40% crit rate, so whatever crit chance you have must be multiplied by 0.6 to get the correct value when equipping Daiginjo. If you have a level 300 Monk with capped CRT and use Tech 5, 4, as well as purple lines you will get way past the critical chance cap. Here is the calculation: 256+150 = 406 CRT / 3 = 135 % crit chance + 5% base crit chance + 30% (~Purple Lines estimation) + 25% (Tech5) + 20% (Tech4) = 215 * 0.6 (crit rate multiplicator) = 129% crit chance (effectively 95%)So you can see that you will reach crit chance cap even without Mamonea xtal with this setup, however Ira is still required. If you do opt for Mamonea xtal and Ira I recommend you to use Autoskill/QC abilities instead of Tech 4 and Tech 5, because you can still reach cap crit chance as shown in this calculation: 135% crit chance + 5% base crit chance + 30% Purple Line = 170% * 0.6 (crit rate multiplicator) = 102% crit chance (effectively 95%) You can even use different AL lines, as long as you use a Tech 4 ability along with Ira and Mamonea you would reach cap crit chance if you have 406 CRT as shown here: 135% crit chance +5% base crit chance + 20% Tech4 = 160% * 0.6 (crit rate multiplicator) = 96 % crit chance (effectively 95%)As you can see there are a lot of options with which you can achieve cap critical chance; there's more than I have listed but these are some examples. wow, so i cant using daiginjo for now until reach capped lvl 300 and mamonea (not release). im still confused with this, can you explain it for me? its the exsample (take it from google). [Purple] Increases Autoskill, ASPD, and Critical Rate 1 line auto skill +?%, ASPD + 30%, critical rate +30? 2 line auto skill +?%, ASPD + 20%, critical rate +20? 3-line auto skill +?%, ASPD + 20%, critical rate +20? 4 line auto skills +?%, ASPD + 10%, critical rate +10? 5 line auto skill +?%, ASPD + 10%, critical rate +10? 6 line auto skill +?%, ASPD + 10%, critical rate +10? so, many line is more better or not? purple line is using red ai xtal (on middle) and 4 blue? |
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Post by Ryukengan on Aug 13, 2015 8:36:39 GMT
Aam RachsUchtig Well you can use it, as long as you use Ira and have Purple lines and a Tech 5 or Tech 4 (with Tech 4 you have 94%) you will reach cap crit chance. (If you have 401 CRT which is the current CRT cap) The more lines you have the better it is, to get the maximum amout you got to have 3 of one type in a line, then the other 2 on 1 of the edges, for example: 3 red in the middle row, 2 blue on top and bottom or 3 blue in the middle row, 2 red on top and bottom.
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