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Post by Ardent Sakuro on Jul 20, 2014 15:52:59 GMT
wow this thread made me get into a calculator x.x
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Post by jennis on Jul 21, 2014 3:05:14 GMT
i tested suishin katana on my glad, for me its worth it. it added a at around 1.5-2k dmg with tigris if im not mistaken. the problem is th mp cost 25% X.X.
ill further test it and ill post here the result.
anyone knows if it has an upgraded version?
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Jul 22, 2014 9:31:16 GMT
Oh, yeah. But the extra 10% ATK is by chance on defense (not sure about the proc rate but it lasts 10seconds) and I think STR builds prefers not to tank. I'd still go for the arrows, it helps you save DEX on the -skill time (so you can invest more on STR and CRT or VIT). The comparison on bonus would just be 5% ATK all the time with arrows vs. 0% that becomes 10% sometimes if you get hit with katana. TBH almost all the glads ik are 200+ and all of them are max cri,str and working on vit. So they are in situations most of the time where they tank as well as dps, sunshin katana ups thier atk alot (proc rate is like 30% when hit) Since u are tank glad i think u would benefit more from it. You can always farm zolban for q.cool abi and u can 2 hit him as well so u get more dmg for the same spd Ok I tried sushin again and did some tests and I had the same findings as I did when I first got it. The proc is just too low to make it worthwhile. From my few tests (around 10 or so runs) I would estimate the proc at around 1 out of 20 (5% proc rate, maybe less because i've had a couple cases where it took 30+ hits in between 2 procs). Most Gladiators solo grinding bosses would have killed the boss before they get hit 10 times. It would have been great if it had 30% proc (or even 25%) because if it procs 1 out of 4 hits, it means that it will proc early and once it does, with 10 sec duration, you can almost be sure that you will have it running for as long as you are getting hit. But alas, it doesn't. So it's still Separation Arrows for me. The -0.5sec skill delay will allow less DEX, and the -10% HP is easily negated by Knight Gauntlet.
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Post by Ardent Sakuro on Jul 22, 2014 12:20:56 GMT
TBH almost all the glads ik are 200+ and all of them are max cri,str and working on vit. So they are in situations most of the time where they tank as well as dps, sunshin katana ups thier atk alot (proc rate is like 30% when hit) Since u are tank glad i think u would benefit more from it. You can always farm zolban for q.cool abi and u can 2 hit him as well so u get more dmg for the same spd Ok I tried sushin again and did some tests and I had the same findings as I did when I first got it. The proc is just too low to make it worthwhile. From my few tests (around 10 or so runs) I would estimate the proc at around 1 out of 20 (5% proc rate, maybe less because i've had a couple cases where it took 30+ hits in between 2 procs). Most Gladiators solo grinding bosses would have killed the boss before they get hit 10 times. It would have been great if it had 30% proc (or even 25%) because if it procs 1 out of 4 hits, it means that it will proc early and once it does, with 10 sec duration, you can almost be sure that you will have it running for as long as you are getting hit. But alas, it doesn't. So it's still Separation Arrows for me. The -0.5sec skill delay will allow less DEX, and the -10% HP is easily negated by Knight Gauntlet. i agree on this, rather be sure than to gamble xD
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Post by AnTz on Jul 27, 2014 4:11:23 GMT
Hi guys. I just start make my gladi wannabe alt, so kinda newbie here xD So, conclusion is: if I have max str,cerberus is better than plazuda, n beelzenoid is better than ganei? (Provided mob/boss dont have barrier)
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Jul 27, 2014 7:03:20 GMT
Hi guys. I just start make my gladi wannabi alt, so kinda newbie here xD o, conclusion is: if I have mx str,cerberus is better than plazuda, n beelzenoid is better than ganei? (Provided mob/boss dont have barrier) Yes. However, for cerberus, you need to cover up the penalty otherwise you lose dps In proc rate for what you gain In damage. Technique ability Is usually enough.
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Post by Prayerz on Jul 31, 2014 2:38:21 GMT
Has anyone considered Oritius in place of Plazuda? Atk+9% Auto HP Recovery-20%
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Jul 31, 2014 7:05:40 GMT
Has anyone considered Oritius in place of Plazuda? Atk+9% Auto HP Recovery-20% I haven't. I think it's too expensive to consider the 1% increase in ATK. Schlingel costs 1.5m to 2m and it beats Plazuda. If you have 2k base ATK (without buffs and ATK xtals), you'd get 20ATK vs 6ATK from Schlingel. It really isn't game breaking to be spending lots on, except maybe on a 2slot. I think Oritius is only good for DEX/STR snipers since they have good base ATK to make the 1% worthwhile, especially with a 2slot moonlight or vio.
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Post by Ardent Sakuro on Jul 31, 2014 12:31:26 GMT
Has anyone considered Oritius in place of Plazuda? Atk+9% Auto HP Recovery-20% Nope, i want my hp recovery xD Havent sold it yet? XD
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Post by Prayerz on Jul 31, 2014 15:37:31 GMT
Ardent Sakuro nah. Also considering keeping for my glad, so idk. Haha
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Post by Jeancarlo on Jul 31, 2014 16:01:37 GMT
Has anyone considered Oritius in place of Plazuda? Atk+9% Auto HP Recovery-20% I haven't. I think it's too expensive to consider the 1% increase in ATK. Schlingel costs 1.5m to 2m and it beats Plazuda. If you have 2k base ATK (without buffs and ATK xtals), you'd get 20ATK vs 6ATK from Schlingel. It really isn't game breaking to be spending lots on, except maybe on a 2slot. I think Oritius is only good for DEX/STR snipers since they have good base ATK to make the 1% worthwhile, especially with a 2slot moonlight or vio. Know nothing about the sniper part, but yea, that -20HP regen kinda sucks for Glads. Personally, I don't even look at plazuda anymore. Esp with the advent of abilities, people paying high for it (saw someone trying to buy one for 15M this wkend...), IMO, either doesn't know better, or simply wants what they think is 'the best' - or 3rd, those builds with Low crt I guess. 256 CRT = 85 CRT RATE + 10 from Schwartz that any glad worth the name wears = 95% which is max (and I might be wrong on this, since we have base 5% and if the 95% max includes base, you already have 5% excess). Lvl 2 Tech is enough to cancel out the -10 from Schlingle and you have better ATK than Plaz.
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Post by Ardent Sakuro on Aug 1, 2014 0:14:19 GMT
I haven't. I think it's too expensive to consider the 1% increase in ATK. Schlingel costs 1.5m to 2m and it beats Plazuda. If you have 2k base ATK (without buffs and ATK xtals), you'd get 20ATK vs 6ATK from Schlingel. It really isn't game breaking to be spending lots on, except maybe on a 2slot. I think Oritius is only good for DEX/STR snipers since they have good base ATK to make the 1% worthwhile, especially with a 2slot moonlight or vio. Know nothing about the sniper part, but yea, that -20HP regen kinda sucks for Glads. Personally, I don't even look at plazuda anymore. Esp with the advent of abilities, people paying high for it (saw someone trying to buy one for 15M this wkend...), IMO, either doesn't know better, or simply wants what they think is 'the best' - or 3rd, those builds with Low crt I guess. 256 CRT = 85 CRT RATE + 10 from Schwartz that any glad worth the name wears = 95% which is max (and I might be wrong on this, since we have base 5% and if the 95% max includes base, you already have 5% excess). Lvl 2 Tech is enough to cancel out the -10 from Schlingle and you have better ATK than Plaz. didnt know that 256 CRT = 85 CRT RATE. Ty for info
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Post by Jeancarlo on Aug 1, 2014 0:25:44 GMT
Know nothing about the sniper part, but yea, that -20HP regen kinda sucks for Glads. Personally, I don't even look at plazuda anymore. Esp with the advent of abilities, people paying high for it (saw someone trying to buy one for 15M this wkend...), IMO, either doesn't know better, or simply wants what they think is 'the best' - or 3rd, those builds with Low crt I guess. 256 CRT = 85 CRT RATE + 10 from Schwartz that any glad worth the name wears = 95% which is max (and I might be wrong on this, since we have base 5% and if the 95% max includes base, you already have 5% excess). Lvl 2 Tech is enough to cancel out the -10 from Schlingle and you have better ATK than Plaz. didnt know that 256 CRT = 85 CRT RATE. Ty for info You're welcome iruna.wikidot.com/statusCRT Critical; Affects the chance of a critical hit, and critical damage. Increase trigger percentage for double attack & spell burst. For example, 9 CRT = +1% chance of triggering double attack(Lv3) beyond base 10% chance. Critical Rate increases at 3 CRT = +1% beyond base 5% chance.The only thing I am not sure of is if the 95% Cap Crt Rate includes the base 5%. E.g. 256 CRT = 85 Rate + 5 base = 90 so we only need 5 more? or 256 CRT = 85 rate and can add 10 more (e.g. schwartz) to get to 95% + 5 base = 100%
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Aug 1, 2014 1:05:32 GMT
didnt know that 256 CRT = 85 CRT RATE. Ty for info You're welcome iruna.wikidot.com/statusCRT Critical; Affects the chance of a critical hit, and critical damage. Increase trigger percentage for double attack & spell burst. For example, 9 CRT = +1% chance of triggering double attack(Lv3) beyond base 10% chance. Critical Rate increases at 3 CRT = +1% beyond base 5% chance.The only thing I am not sure of is if the 95% Cap Crt Rate includes the base 5%. E.g. 256 CRT = 85 Rate + 5 base = 90 so we only need 5 more? or 256 CRT = 85 rate and can add 10 more (e.g. schwartz) to get to 95% + 5 base = 100% The crit rate is capped at 95. By stats you can reach 85+5 = 90. You will get the 5 rate from gear.
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Post by mesia on Aug 2, 2014 19:20:24 GMT
sword-hime series(element sword) / element xtal(strum,vetendeth, eizen, aurumteus, halios, argyros)
d.mail / magonza (beserk type) exe up / magonza (pillar blade type)
vanregal / cerberus
atleta ring / beelzenoid
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