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Post by ManaKhe on Jan 15, 2015 7:28:29 GMT
I vote Counter Enchanter and then when you get to 220 go Magic Blade spammer with the same build and become an almighty tank on par with Paladin. Join the OP tankiness. Joooooin the Dark Siiiide. It actually is sorta a laser sword xD.
No but really though Enchanters tank better than they DPS by a lot.
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The strength of a knight, the wisdom of a wizard. I am a magic warrior, I am an Enchanter!
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Post by elias on Jan 15, 2015 13:30:04 GMT
I vote Counter Enchanter and then when you get to 220 go Magic Blade spammer with the same build and become an almighty tank on par with Paladin. Join the OP tankiness. Joooooin the Dark Siiiide. It actually is sorta a laser sword xD. No but really though Enchanters tank better than they DPS by a lot. Just wait for me to reach 220 :3
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Post by Tyranull on Jan 15, 2015 15:40:20 GMT
I vote Counter Enchanter and then when you get to 220 go Magic Blade spammer with the same build and become an almighty tank on par with Paladin. Join the OP tankiness. Joooooin the Dark Siiiide. It actually is sorta a laser sword xD. No but really though Enchanters tank better than they DPS by a lot. Pft, why tank when you can solo? XD But if I hit 220 (I really see no point in lving or farming; I can do whatever I want, and have everything I want now besides qadal [240 skill]) I will most likely stay the same way I am now.
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Post by lanceph on Jan 15, 2015 17:12:58 GMT
U guys picked counter. I'm assuming u have magic blade now? So what's the experience using it. Do they die very fast now?
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Post by ManaKhe on Jan 15, 2015 20:59:10 GMT
I vote Counter Enchanter and then when you get to 220 go Magic Blade spammer with the same build and become an almighty tank on par with Paladin. Join the OP tankiness. Joooooin the Dark Siiiide. It actually is sorta a laser sword xD. No but really though Enchanters tank better than they DPS by a lot. Pft, why tank when you can solo? XD But if I hit 220 (I really see no point in lving or farming; I can do whatever I want, and have everything I want now besides qadal [240 skill]) I will most likely stay the same way I am now. Solo Raaton=10+ Minutes to kill. Party Raaton=1-2 minutes to kill. It's a similar situation with most bosses, unless they are easy. In which case the tank build still kills them fast
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Post by lanceph on Jan 17, 2015 3:43:44 GMT
Manakhe you're the man. Raaton almost impossible without a party (Well if your party consist of 180+ not lvl 200). Even with high level wizard my party. Is that Raaton 1 or 2?
Info by you seem counter enchanter has a bright future ahead.
Well im considering to be counter enchanter or counter dps now. You should update your guide now. Most of my stat start based on your guide.
So what do you suggest the stat build for Counter enchanter and equipment along with xtall.
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Post by itoffee on Jan 17, 2015 4:32:46 GMT
Mana man ?(kekeke) i solod raaton(mq only) 1 and 2 on my autoattack enchy but i had to use osechi. well counter enchy can be really sturdy but no big numbers but cheaper than auto attack tho. So its really better for starters. Manakbe once said that magic blade will e outdps-ed by auto attack but that will be way off far in the future. so its like: Easy to gear with good damage M.blade spammer>counter enchy>auto enchy.
But then again all those builds have varying effectiveness on different bosses.
YES!Mana should update his thread now. It is very useful.
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Post by ManaKhe on Jan 18, 2015 1:13:07 GMT
Manakhe you're the man. Raaton almost impossible without a party (Well if your party consist of 180+ not lvl 200). Even with high level wizard my party. Is that Raaton 1 or 2? Info by you seem counter enchanter has a bright future ahead. Well im considering to be counter enchanter or counter dps now. You should update your guide now. Most of my stat start based on your guide. So what do you suggest the stat build for Counter enchanter and equipment along with xtall. I can tank both Raaton 1 and 2. He doesn't really hit that hard and there's only 1 part where I may die which is the buff wipe/long stun. He hits before the stun ends and if I don't have enough HP to take the hit I die or use up Resurrect buff. In my experience I almost always have enough HP at that part. I honestly don't know a lot about Counter Enchanters. The build is the same as Magic Blade though. I would plan for max DEX by 220. So I would do max INT, 155 VIT, max DEX, then go back to maxing VIT. It can differ with stat release being out nowadays as well but if you are at that point you will probably be able to make a good decision based on how you feel about your survival while tanking. When it comes to gear for counter builds I typically refer people to crazybrker and/or TyranullAt the moment I'm Magic Blade spam build so I can't really comment much on new Autoskill Chanter equips. I do have a little mini guide on Magic Blade in the enchanter section.
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Post by ManaKhe on Jan 18, 2015 1:22:36 GMT
Mana man ?(kekeke) i solod raaton(mq only) 1 and 2 on my autoattack enchy but i had to use osechi. well counter enchy can be really sturdy but no big numbers but cheaper than auto attack tho. So its really better for starters. Manakbe once said that magic blade will e outdps-ed by auto attack but that will be way off far in the future. so its like: Easy to gear with good damage M.blade spammer>counter enchy>auto enchy. But then again all those builds have varying effectiveness on different bosses. YES!Mana should update his thread now. It is very useful. I'd say ease of gearing is: Magic Blade>Counter>Autoskill like you said. Potential is different though. For DPS: Autoskill>Magic Blade>Counter For Tanking: Magic Blade>Autoskill>Counter Important to note that Counter and Magic Blade spam are pretty much the same build. Counter is for a specific purpose which is leveling and doesn't do as much damage to bosses. Also I imagine it's impossible to keep hate from most classes with a Counter build, especially Hwiz, Geo Monks, and Assassins. It's hard enough to keep hate from them with Magic Blade as it is, or even Guardian as a Pally lol. Also Magic Blade spammers rarely take the DPS role because of how much hate they get and their survival. Why have a Paladin and a Magic Blade spammer in the same party? The hate bounces off between them and if it's a harder hitting boss both need heals. Enchanters aren't great as "off tanks" like Ninjas are but are more suited to being the main tank. It is extremely expensive to get Autoskill builds to their true potential but they should be able to out damage Magic Blade spammers. Counter Enchanters will be out DPS'ed by both at bosses no matter what they do.
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Post by Tyranull on Jan 18, 2015 14:01:20 GMT
"Or"? I created counter enchanter, I should be the go-to guy for it. XD As for the purpose part, that is determined by which type you are. Negate is for soloing things, and support in boss fights, dps is for leveling and farming mobs basically.
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Post by Tyranull on Jan 18, 2015 14:06:07 GMT
Also you should note that counters are autoskill enchanters too, we can use enchant weapon, and have relatively similar matk to what you are more than likely referring to: auto attackers, if not higher as dps that is.
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Post by lanceph on Jan 18, 2015 14:58:25 GMT
Added vit to 98 now. Bought counter enchanter item: Jugement+8(kaiser plitz) Mir+7(ifrit) Dmail+9(hp+20%) Dragonaut bangle(sofya)
I'm lvl 181 now, said equipment can't handle 2 h ent, damage to them is very low. I will die before them. One I can handle but very long to kill.
Maybe it should be for boss fight only and not for grinding h ent. Having a hard time getting resty rod s.
I do like the added vit though. I'm switching to dps for now. I'm switching to dex next lvl up.
Getting spellboost xtall to see if I'll gain more dps.
Advice for my counter equipment. Xtall or added equipment. Can't get resty rod s in rokoko now.
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Post by Tyranull on Jan 18, 2015 16:56:11 GMT
Added vit to 98 now. Bought counter enchanter item: Jugement+8(kaiser plitz) Mir+7(ifrit) Dmail+9(hp+20%) Dragonaut bangle(sofya) I'm lvl 181 now, said equipment can't handle 2 h ent, damage to them is very low. I will die before them. One I can handle but very long to kill. Maybe it should be for boss fight only and not for grinding h ent. Having a hard time getting resty rod s. I do like the added vit though. I'm switching to dps for now. I'm switching to dex next lvl up. Getting spellboost xtall to see if I'll gain more dps. Advice for my counter equipment. Xtall or added equipment. Can't get resty rod s in rokoko now. Well that is the negate set, not good for damage to enemies. That set is for survival purposes, which needs as much autoskill activation as possible via Ziddu crysta. Special equip should definitely be lotus seed. But that set you have is pretty decent, you should make both sets of counters so you can change from one way to the other, depending on preference.
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Post by itoffee on Jan 18, 2015 17:27:00 GMT
You are mixing damage disabler set and dps set thats why u have hard time killing ents. i suggest you get two different sets. dps goes like pramia dpr mir lotus/reduce disable set goes: judgement d.mail mir lotus. Dont bother with spellboost atm until u get 200+ dex. That 13 sec buff timer is crap.
Edit: if yer going for vit type i suggest you stick to megaroches for lvling. Getting hit frequently by high ents needs u to recast stone skin and lose dps. I switched from vit to agi.vit build feels more rewarding at megaroches while agi build feels better at h.ents. or you could just use earth origin so that they wont hit u hard.lolz.
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Post by ManaKhe on Jan 18, 2015 17:53:08 GMT
Also you should note that counters are autoskill enchanters too, we can use enchant weapon, and have relatively similar matk to what you are more than likely referring to: auto attackers, if not higher as dps that is. Counter can really be used with any Enchanter build. However I think more counter Enchanters are going to be built like Magic Blade than Auto Atk. It's more of just a different gear set. Counter will only have higher DPS on groups of regular mobs. For parties at bosses you want to be of more use than just an MPer with some buffs. We don't have good enough support to make up for doing barely any DPS on a boss with counter gear. Unless you are miraculously doing over 20-30k damage per second at bosses. Most Enchanters don't actually do that usually though but both Auto Attack and Magic Blade are better at holding hate for tanking. Auto Attack has the highest potential damage output of all Enchanter builds by a fairly large amount, it is just super hard to get there and it's still a decent bit lower than DPS classes.
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