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Post by ManaKhe on Jan 22, 2015 7:45:29 GMT
If you managed to cast stoneskin after the hp wipe without getting hit + active drain, you'll survive. Spector is easy to solo with drain alone but I use stoneskin to be secure. So yes for both? Hmm so u would need to have high eva to get away without getting hit which means need more den 500+ eva to evade its atk... but isnt high agi not gd for auto atk build? Also all the higher lvl boss hit so hard.. one hit from metalbrow can just destroyed my stone skin... 2nd hit and i died.. lol Basically need higher HP for Medalbrow. Also keep in mind he has an HP wipe. I wouldn't try tanking/soloing Medalbrow until a pretty high level. High AGI works fine for Auto ATK builds. Especially now that Stat Release is out. Stat release capped INT, 256 AGI, 256 DEX, rest on VIT is a stat release build. Before then however Auto ATK builds just have to spread their points all over the place and end up sacrificing AGI, DEX, or VIT a little bit. Just takes tons of points lol.
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Post by Shindou on Jan 23, 2015 13:48:39 GMT
Hmm so u would need to have high eva to get away without getting hit which means need more den 500+ eva to evade its atk... but isnt high agi not gd for auto atk build? Also all the higher lvl boss hit so hard.. one hit from metalbrow can just destroyed my stone skin... 2nd hit and i died.. lol Basically need higher HP for Medalbrow. Also keep in mind he has an HP wipe. I wouldn't try tanking/soloing Medalbrow until a pretty high level. High AGI works fine for Auto ATK builds. Especially now that Stat Release is out. Stat release capped INT, 256 AGI, 256 DEX, rest on VIT is a stat release build. Before then however Auto ATK builds just have to spread their points all over the place and end up sacrificing AGI, DEX, or VIT a little bit. Just takes tons of points lol. Hmm so basically now for an auto atk build, stats are Max INT,AGI,DEX rest VIT? if so what should i focus now on? if my stats now are at Max INT, agi 135, vit 31, dex 90. And i am wondering if i should go magic blade build after i reach lvl 220 as i saw in the forums tat magic blade build isnt really a dps build but a tank build so i guess continuing auto skill build after lvl 220 is a gd choice instead of switching to a magic blade? Also as you said tat need higher hp for metalbrow but even if you do have high hp the boss has HP wipe isnt it?
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Post by ☪Ⓛⓐⓩⓘ on Jan 23, 2015 14:18:51 GMT
Also as you said tat need higher hp for metalbrow but even if you do have high hp the boss has HP wipe isnt it? High HP = Stronger stoneskin. Metalbrow won't be able to 1-2 hit/s your ss and you can re-cast ss before it gets destroyed so you'll survive even with 1 hp. It's like making ss your original hp. Another example: Ninjas having 1 hp and making clones as their hp/way to tank. Sorry for spamming stoneskin x.x
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Post by ManaKhe on Jan 23, 2015 17:16:56 GMT
Basically need higher HP for Medalbrow. Also keep in mind he has an HP wipe. I wouldn't try tanking/soloing Medalbrow until a pretty high level. High AGI works fine for Auto ATK builds. Especially now that Stat Release is out. Stat release capped INT, 256 AGI, 256 DEX, rest on VIT is a stat release build. Before then however Auto ATK builds just have to spread their points all over the place and end up sacrificing AGI, DEX, or VIT a little bit. Just takes tons of points lol. Hmm so basically now for an auto atk build, stats are Max INT,AGI,DEX rest VIT? if so what should i focus now on? if my stats now are at Max INT, agi 135, vit 31, dex 90. And i am wondering if i should go magic blade build after i reach lvl 220 as i saw in the forums tat magic blade build isnt really a dps build but a tank build so i guess continuing auto skill build after lvl 220 is a gd choice instead of switching to a magic blade? Also as you said tat need higher hp for metalbrow but even if you do have high hp the boss has HP wipe isnt it? At the point you are at in stats you can add points to your preference really. You can add AGI or VIT to increase your survivability or add DEX so you can hit those harder to hit mobs and bosses, which are both sorta uncommon. Magic Blade is probably better at tanking overall than Auto Attack no matter what you do. However if you don't have great gear it still out damages auto attack builds. You are basically just forced to tank usually due to the amount of hate you get with the skill. The HP wipe only wipes so much HP, it actually isn't an HP 1 wipe. It's like a 15k HP wipe(something around there). So if you have 20k HP when he wipes, you will have 5k HP left over. AGI so you can dodge him after and VIT so you can actually live through it both help.
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Post by Shindou on Jan 24, 2015 5:59:05 GMT
High HP = Stronger stoneskin. Metalbrow won't be able to 1-2 hit/s your ss and you can re-cast ss before it gets destroyed so you'll survive even with 1 hp. It's like making ss your original hp. Another example: Ninjas having 1 hp and making clones as their hp/way to tank. Sorry for spamming stoneskin x.x At the point you are at in stats you can add points to your preference really. You can add AGI or VIT to increase your survivability or add DEX so you can hit those harder to hit mobs and bosses, which are both sorta uncommon. Magic Blade is probably better at tanking overall than Auto Attack no matter what you do. However if you don't have great gear it still out damages auto attack builds. You are basically just forced to tank usually due to the amount of hate you get with the skill. The HP wipe only wipes so much HP, it actually isn't an HP 1 wipe. It's like a 15k HP wipe(something around there). So if you have 20k HP when he wipes, you will have 5k HP left over. AGI so you can dodge him after and VIT so you can actually live through it both help. Well just wondering about enchanter Stone Skin skills effect the amount of damage you can negated is depend on your Max hp or current hp? so for an example if i have 100 max hp and left 1 hp which i case SS and a mob hit mi like 20 dmg, will i survive or?? Right now i am adding 1Vit : 2Dex for each lvl and i feel that maybe i should stop my agi at 150 or is my agi enough at 135 already? or do i need to max it? as having more agi do helps me in dodging atks but at higher lvl mobs they most likely hit u no matter what... (well unless you can have lots of evasion...) So for the summary of an Auto Skill stats build is having more HP or having more Evasion better? as i don't think you can have both... Also is there any boss currently that no matter what build you are you can't soloed it?
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Post by ManaKhe on Jan 24, 2015 6:24:48 GMT
High HP = Stronger stoneskin. Metalbrow won't be able to 1-2 hit/s your ss and you can re-cast ss before it gets destroyed so you'll survive even with 1 hp. It's like making ss your original hp. Another example: Ninjas having 1 hp and making clones as their hp/way to tank. Sorry for spamming stoneskin x.x At the point you are at in stats you can add points to your preference really. You can add AGI or VIT to increase your survivability or add DEX so you can hit those harder to hit mobs and bosses, which are both sorta uncommon. Magic Blade is probably better at tanking overall than Auto Attack no matter what you do. However if you don't have great gear it still out damages auto attack builds. You are basically just forced to tank usually due to the amount of hate you get with the skill. The HP wipe only wipes so much HP, it actually isn't an HP 1 wipe. It's like a 15k HP wipe(something around there). So if you have 20k HP when he wipes, you will have 5k HP left over. AGI so you can dodge him after and VIT so you can actually live through it both help. Well just wondering about enchanter Stone Skin skills effect the amount of damage you can negated is depend on your Max hp or current hp? so for an example if i have 100 max hp and left 1 hp which i case SS and a mob hit mi like 20 dmg, will i survive or?? Right now i am adding 1Vit : 2Dex for each lvl and i feel that maybe i should stop my agi at 150 or is my agi enough at 135 already? or do i need to max it? as having more agi do helps me in dodging atks but at higher lvl mobs they most likely hit u no matter what... (well unless you can have lots of evasion...) So for the summary of an Auto Skill stats build is having more HP or having more Evasion better? as i don't think you can have both... Also is there any boss currently that no matter what build you are you can't soloed it? There really hasn't been any real good tests to determine if Stoneskin is affected by max HP in any way. It's possible I guess? It was discussed a while back and I think the general consensus was that it was fixed or affected by factors you couldn't increase by a lot(Level or something like that) and that the real thing that was lowering damage was just higher defensive stats(Melee Res, Magic Res, Def, Mdef). I feel as if it's the defensive stats as well. As to if you have 1 HP and get hit while Stoneskin is active...It will only kill you if the hit goes through Stoneskin. So if you have say 5k HP on Stoneskin and something hits you for 4.9k it won't kill you and will show up as 0. If it hits you for 5001 damage it will kill you. Also anything that actually goes through your Stoneskin will get cut in half. So if it hit you for 6000 damage, it would subtract the 5000, which is 1000, and divide that in half, which is 500, so you would get hit for 500 damage while losing Stoneskin. Anything pass 135 AGI is entirely preference, as with any amount of VIT you add. Although the vast majority of Enchanters add VIT at some point so they can actually take a harder hit XD. DEX pretty much should be added to 256 at some point as you want instant drain cast and a longer duration on Spell Boost. You also want to hit higher EVA mobs. As you are leveling it isn't as high of a priority though. There only two bosses that I can think of that Enchanter may not be able to solo currently. They are Almas and Doom. Both have been around for a while and have been the hardest for a while. Doom just does crazy counter attack damage lol. I THINK Enchanter has the capability to solo Almas at the moment but I'm unsure. Neither of those are in MQ though. Anything in MQ can be soloed by Enchanter, some require Thick Revitas though. Soo...Evasion is very helpful but there is obviously a limit to it. HP is necessary on some bosses so I will say in the long run VIT is a requirement where as Evasion actually isn't a requirement.
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Post by ☪Ⓛⓐⓩⓘ on Jan 24, 2015 6:29:08 GMT
There really hasn't been any real good tests to determine if Stoneskin is affected by max HP in any way. It's possible I guess? It was discussed a while back and I think the general consensus was that it was fixed or affected by factors you couldn't increase by a lot(Level or something like that) and that the real thing that was lowering damage was just higher defensive stats(Melee Res, Magic Res, Def, Mdef). I feel as if it's the defensive stats as well. As to if you have 1 HP and get hit while Stoneskin is active...It will only kill you if the hit goes through Stoneskin. So if you have say 5k HP on Stoneskin and something hits you for 4.9k it won't kill you and will show up as 0. If it hits you for 5001 damage it will kill you. Also anything that actually goes through your Stoneskin will get cut in half. So if it hit you for 6000 damage, it would subtract the 5000, which is 1000, and divide that in half, which is 500, so you would get hit for 500 damage while losing Stoneskin. Anything pass 135 AGI is entirely preference, as with any amount of VIT you add. Although the vast majority of Enchanters add VIT at some point so they can actually take a harder hit XD. DEX pretty much should be added to 256 at some point as you want instant drain cast and a longer duration on Spell Boost. You also want to hit higher EVA mobs. As you are leveling it isn't as high of a priority though. There only two bosses that I can think of that Enchanter may not be able to solo currently. They are Almas and Doom. Both have been around for a while and have been the hardest for a while. Doom just does crazy counter attack damage lol. I THINK Enchanter has the capability to solo Almas at the moment but I'm unsure. Neither of those are in MQ though. Anything in MQ can be soloed by Enchanter, some require Thick Revitas though. Soo...Evasion is very helpful but there is obviously a limit to it. HP is necessary on some bosses so I will say in the long run VIT is a requirement where as Evasion actually isn't a requirement. I think hp does affect stoneskin owo When I had 1 vit, Megaroche could destroy stoneskin with 2 hits. Now that I have 42 vit, stoneskin lasts for 3-5 hits.
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Post by ManaKhe on Jan 24, 2015 6:33:56 GMT
There really hasn't been any real good tests to determine if Stoneskin is affected by max HP in any way. It's possible I guess? It was discussed a while back and I think the general consensus was that it was fixed or affected by factors you couldn't increase by a lot(Level or something like that) and that the real thing that was lowering damage was just higher defensive stats(Melee Res, Magic Res, Def, Mdef). I feel as if it's the defensive stats as well. As to if you have 1 HP and get hit while Stoneskin is active...It will only kill you if the hit goes through Stoneskin. So if you have say 5k HP on Stoneskin and something hits you for 4.9k it won't kill you and will show up as 0. If it hits you for 5001 damage it will kill you. Also anything that actually goes through your Stoneskin will get cut in half. So if it hit you for 6000 damage, it would subtract the 5000, which is 1000, and divide that in half, which is 500, so you would get hit for 500 damage while losing Stoneskin. Anything pass 135 AGI is entirely preference, as with any amount of VIT you add. Although the vast majority of Enchanters add VIT at some point so they can actually take a harder hit XD. DEX pretty much should be added to 256 at some point as you want instant drain cast and a longer duration on Spell Boost. You also want to hit higher EVA mobs. As you are leveling it isn't as high of a priority though. There only two bosses that I can think of that Enchanter may not be able to solo currently. They are Almas and Doom. Both have been around for a while and have been the hardest for a while. Doom just does crazy counter attack damage lol. I THINK Enchanter has the capability to solo Almas at the moment but I'm unsure. Neither of those are in MQ though. Anything in MQ can be soloed by Enchanter, some require Thick Revitas though. Soo...Evasion is very helpful but there is obviously a limit to it. HP is necessary on some bosses so I will say in the long run VIT is a requirement where as Evasion actually isn't a requirement. I think hp does affect stoneskin owo When I had 1 vit, Megaroche could destroy stoneskin with 2 hits. Now that I have 42 vit, stoneskin lasts for 3-5 hits. It's possible. No one has really done any good tests to prove it yet pretty much. My Stoneskin can take a beating when I have 40-45k HP in Tank gear but my Tank gear puts my Def over 1k and Mdef over 1.5k while giving me a good bit of Res so it's hard to tell xD. Increasing HP is helpful anyways for tanking.
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Post by ManaKhe on Jan 24, 2015 6:37:04 GMT
I will try and test this at some point soon and start another thread about it and post my results for everyone. It could honestly be mostly HP that affects Stoneskin. Who knows?
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Post by ☪Ⓛⓐⓩⓘ on Jan 24, 2015 6:44:57 GMT
I think hp does affect stoneskin owo When I had 1 vit, Megaroche could destroy stoneskin with 2 hits. Now that I have 42 vit, stoneskin lasts for 3-5 hits. It's possible. No one has really done any good tests to prove it yet pretty much. My Stoneskin can take a beating when I have 40-45k HP in Tank gear but my Tank gear puts my Def over 1k and Mdef over 1.5k while giving me a good bit of Res so it's hard to tell xD. Increasing HP is helpful anyways for tanking. I think Stoneskin 1 is half of the current hp. I haz 10k hp in my 170s and tried the mawid quest. Natra keepers were dealing around 1.5k dmg per hit and 3-4 hits my ss and I came up to the conclusion that it's value is half of my hp XD
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Post by ManaKhe on Jan 24, 2015 6:52:36 GMT
It's possible. No one has really done any good tests to prove it yet pretty much. My Stoneskin can take a beating when I have 40-45k HP in Tank gear but my Tank gear puts my Def over 1k and Mdef over 1.5k while giving me a good bit of Res so it's hard to tell xD. Increasing HP is helpful anyways for tanking. I think Stoneskin 1 is half of the current hp. I haz 10k hp in my 170s and tried the mawid quest. Natra keepers were dealing around 1.5k dmg per hit and 3-4 hits my ss and I came up to the conclusion that it's value is half of my hp XD I don't think its half of your HP. When I'm hanging around 40k HP Stoneskin 2 doesn't even have 20k HP. I've estimated Stoneskin 2 at about 12-15k HP. It would be based off of max HP not current anyway since at that point it would be worthless at 1 HP. I think that was just you wording it wrong xD.
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Post by ☪Ⓛⓐⓩⓘ on Jan 24, 2015 7:42:34 GMT
I think Stoneskin 1 is half of the current hp. I haz 10k hp in my 170s and tried the mawid quest. Natra keepers were dealing around 1.5k dmg per hit and 3-4 hits my ss and I came up to the conclusion that it's value is half of my hp XD I don't think its half of your HP. When I'm hanging around 40k HP Stoneskin 2 doesn't even have 20k HP. I've estimated Stoneskin 2 at about 12-15k HP. It would be based off of max HP not current anyway since at that point it would be worthless at 1 HP. I think that was just you wording it wrong xD. Maybe x.x
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Post by Capicuo on Jan 24, 2015 9:03:54 GMT
I think Stoneskin 1 is half of the current hp. I haz 10k hp in my 170s and tried the mawid quest. Natra keepers were dealing around 1.5k dmg per hit and 3-4 hits my ss and I came up to the conclusion that it's value is half of my hp XD I don't think its half of your HP. When I'm hanging around 40k HP Stoneskin 2 doesn't even have 20k HP. I've estimated Stoneskin 2 at about 12-15k HP. It would be based off of max HP not current anyway since at that point it would be worthless at 1 HP. I think that was just you wording it wrong xD. What about ur BASE hp? When i was dps type my ss depleted with a single hit from mega. Now, that i am counter-magic blade build, my ss last for 3-4 hits from mega. In bosses wich hit me 7-8k dmg my ss depleted with every hit, so i estimate thats my ss hp. On the other hand my base hp is 16k, exactly twice my ss hp ^.^ I guess ur base is like 20-26k and thats why ur ss hp is like 12k. P.S.: My english still being kinda meh, so i apologize if u cant get what i mean
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Post by ☪Ⓛⓐⓩⓘ on Jan 24, 2015 11:00:34 GMT
I don't think its half of your HP. When I'm hanging around 40k HP Stoneskin 2 doesn't even have 20k HP. I've estimated Stoneskin 2 at about 12-15k HP. It would be based off of max HP not current anyway since at that point it would be worthless at 1 HP. I think that was just you wording it wrong xD. What about ur BASE hp? When i was dps type my ss depleted with a single hit from mega. Now, that i am counter-magic blade build, my ss last for 3-4 hits from mega. In bosses wich hit me 7-8k dmg my ss depleted with every hit, so i estimate thats my ss hp. On the other hand my base hp is 16k, exactly twice my ss hp ^.^ I guess ur base is like 20-26k and thats why ur ss hp is like 12k. P.S.: My english still being kinda meh, so i apologize if u cant get what i mean I get what you mean owo
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Post by ManaKhe on Jan 25, 2015 1:21:12 GMT
I don't think its half of your HP. When I'm hanging around 40k HP Stoneskin 2 doesn't even have 20k HP. I've estimated Stoneskin 2 at about 12-15k HP. It would be based off of max HP not current anyway since at that point it would be worthless at 1 HP. I think that was just you wording it wrong xD. What about ur BASE hp? When i was dps type my ss depleted with a single hit from mega. Now, that i am counter-magic blade build, my ss last for 3-4 hits from mega. In bosses wich hit me 7-8k dmg my ss depleted with every hit, so i estimate thats my ss hp. On the other hand my base hp is 16k, exactly twice my ss hp ^.^ I guess ur base is like 20-26k and thats why ur ss hp is like 12k. P.S.: My english still being kinda meh, so i apologize if u cant get what i mean That is a good point. I'm not sure if it's based on Base HP though...It could be. I'll find out when I test pure HP non defensive gear on something xD. My base HP is 21k at the moment xD. I also have Stoneskin level 2 instead of 1 so I would assume it's over half, especially since I noticed a big difference when I got it. P.S.: Your English is fine You added an extra comma one time and missed one another time, misspelled "which", missed a "for", and random grammatical errors. You are not really writing formally so most of the grammatical errors don't really matter. I'm guessing it isn't your first language since you are saying your English is bad. In which case you are better than a lot of people who speak it as their first language because you at least make sense xD.
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