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Post by Vetkin on Oct 15, 2014 2:44:11 GMT
Hello Guys,
I was wondering from the beginning when the samurai job was implemented. Why samurai do not need the crit stat as one of their build?
Someone explain to me as there are already a skill that increase the samurai crit so samurai do not need the stat, but what i wonder is, the skill does not exceed the maximum value of the stat.
Can anyone give me an explanation about the crit stat and samurai.
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Post by godofafro on Oct 15, 2014 3:18:45 GMT
Hello Guys, I was wondering from the beginning when the samurai job was implemented. Why samurai do not need the crit stat as one of their build? Someone explain to me as there are already a skill that increase the samurai crit so samurai do not need the stat, but what i wonder is, the skill does not exceed the maximum value of the stat. Can anyone give me an explanation about the crit stat and samurai. thats because that buff adds crt according to your level, and it does not exceed your stat limit. so if you are a lv255 samurai, with 1 crt, this skill adds in +255 crt - making it a total of +256. lets say you maxed crt, making your crt already 256. It does not exceed stat limit here, so the skill basically is worthless. |
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Post by Att1tude on Oct 15, 2014 4:48:22 GMT
Adding crt increases your damage while using normal sword build. No clues how much though.
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lilac
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i will play toram when there's more classes.
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Post by lilac on Oct 15, 2014 5:01:36 GMT
2/3 build in wiki suggest crt. who's wrong? we or wiki? do we test or do we ------assume------?
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Post by ManaKhe on Oct 15, 2014 6:55:53 GMT
CRT helps with damage at earlier levels when you don't get as much CRT from the buff. Theres a cap to it though so after a while you stop seeing any gains from the buff and CRT. Basically a level 120 Samurai would benefit from CRT while a level 250 one wouldn't notice a difference with it. This leaves Samurai's with more options for stats. I think the most common builds for high level Samurai' are STR DEX VIT/AGI and VIT DEX AGI(special sword). JP wiki can recommend very strange stuff, particularly Minstrel and Samurai builds. I mean theres a 5 stat build for Samurai: STR AGI DEX CRT VIT. The stat priorities are even in the wrong order if you were to do a 5 stat build  . |
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Post by Vetkin on Oct 15, 2014 9:04:01 GMT
2/3 build in wiki suggest crt. who's wrong? we or wiki? do we test or do we ------assume------? Well, when i got a stelfy book, i gonna do some experiment with crit stat... Currently i just assume adding crit will give some benefit.. |
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Post by roll right, roll hard! on Oct 15, 2014 9:08:07 GMT
i have 190 lvl sammy - u dont need crt
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lilac
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i will play toram when there's more classes.
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Post by lilac on Oct 15, 2014 9:27:05 GMT
CRT helps with damage at earlier levels when you don't get as much CRT from the buff. Theres a cap to it though so after a while you stop seeing any gains from the buff and CRT. Basically a level 120 Samurai would benefit from CRT while a level 250 one wouldn't notice a difference with it. This leaves Samurai's with more options for stats. I think the most common builds for high level Samurai' are STR DEX VIT/AGI and VIT DEX AGI(special sword). JP wiki can recommend very strange stuff, particularly Minstrel and Samurai builds. I mean theres a 5 stat build for Samurai: STR AGI DEX CRT VIT. The stat priorities are even in the wrong order if you were to do a 5 stat build . I can clearly tell you are not reading the build fully. the description below the build suggest this is for maximum damage and skill delay right? check if unsure. priorities goes to STR>AGI>DEX. all those stat increase samurai's ATK & DEX also reduce cooldown time. what's wrong with that? even current imode cap wont be able to max your CRT upon apostolia release let alone iruna english. if these guide is just for the days before apostolia then your point is completely fine. |
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Post by roll right, roll hard! on Oct 15, 2014 9:41:19 GMT
BEST is VIT, DEX, AGI
woundtransfer + d.mail/schwartz up + h.help up / endel hood / with agi 120+ aulis gale.
Vit and dex add damage, sammy is only class that gets +1 att per 1 agi point! also u get eva...
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Post by Att1tude on Oct 15, 2014 10:20:59 GMT
Capped crt samu is allowed to use -crt rate equipment what about them, could there be anyth useful.
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Post by roll right, roll hard! on Oct 15, 2014 10:30:52 GMT
all is ur conception, i have max vit, max dex and rest agi, atm dps xtails/abis , but for full solo ill change for eva equip when i hit 160 agi
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Post by Vetkin on Oct 15, 2014 12:50:56 GMT
I am str dex samurai at lvl160. i am too clueless about this class but people do said it had a really great damaged and as i watch the video uploaded on youtube, i really wanna had this class.
I do now but i kinda felt weird as my 200+ dex still miss an attack. and my crit is also feel kinda bad.
And with the supernatural skill + FS , i only dealt 58k damage to normal mobs and at chako, i can dealt only 78k. I kinda feel like is there was a mistake i made with my samurai.
Furthermore, as i reading the japanese wiki, i read about this skill and what came across my mind was the +100% thing. as i understand, u need a stat to maximise the damage if there was a percentage.
Sword novices (passive)
Savvy of the sword. The significant increase in the critical damage when equipped with a sword. Attack speed is the lowest value.
Learning (critical damage + 100%?) SLv1 Samurai career change when
SLv2 swordsmanship Appendix II of exotic (Lv220) use (critical damage + 55%)
please help me correct this thing if i am in wrong lane.......
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Post by ManaKhe on Oct 15, 2014 18:35:20 GMT
CRT helps with damage at earlier levels when you don't get as much CRT from the buff. Theres a cap to it though so after a while you stop seeing any gains from the buff and CRT. Basically a level 120 Samurai would benefit from CRT while a level 250 one wouldn't notice a difference with it. This leaves Samurai's with more options for stats. I think the most common builds for high level Samurai' are STR DEX VIT/AGI and VIT DEX AGI(special sword). JP wiki can recommend very strange stuff, particularly Minstrel and Samurai builds. I mean theres a 5 stat build for Samurai: STR AGI DEX CRT VIT. The stat priorities are even in the wrong order if you were to do a 5 stat build . I can clearly tell you are not reading the build fully. the description below the build suggest this is for maximum damage and skill delay right? check if unsure. priorities goes to STR>AGI>DEX. all those stat increase samurai's ATK & DEX also reduce cooldown time. what's wrong with that? even current imode cap wont be able to max your CRT upon apostolia release let alone iruna english. if these guide is just for the days before apostolia then your point is completely fine. I am reading it fully. 5 stat builds spread the stats out too much, that's why it isn't recommended. Aside from that, at low levels you may want CRT to increase your CRT rate and damage but at the current cap CRT doesn't provide any boost, so that's a reason that should be left out, unless this is a build for leveling at lower levels, in which case AGI and/or DEX should be left out. Basically CRT has little to no benefit at higher levels and is better left out for other stats. In regards to if stat release increases the cap, we will have to wait and see. However, if it does that doesn't the help the case for a 5 stat build, it just basically means replacing AGI with CRT is an option. This probably won't make much of a difference either way though. 1 ATK vs 1 CRT isn't much of a difference. |
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Post by ManaKhe on Oct 15, 2014 18:43:28 GMT
I am str dex samurai at lvl160. i am too clueless about this class but people do said it had a really great damaged and as i watch the video uploaded on youtube, i really wanna had this class. I do now but i kinda felt weird as my 200+ dex still miss an attack. and my crit is also feel kinda bad. And with the supernatural skill + FS , i only dealt 58k damage to normal mobs and at chako, i can dealt only 78k. I kinda feel like is there was a mistake i made with my samurai. Furthermore, as i reading the japanese wiki, i read about this skill and what came across my mind was the +100% thing. as i understand, u need a stat to maximise the damage if there was a percentage. Sword novices (passive) Savvy of the sword. The significant increase in the critical damage when equipped with a sword. Attack speed is the lowest value. Learning (critical damage + 100%?) SLv1 Samurai career change when SLv2 swordsmanship Appendix II of exotic (Lv220) use (critical damage + 55%) please help me correct this thing if i am in wrong lane....... The damage you are doing with FS at that level seems kind of normal. Obviously at the level you are at CRT would benefit your damage more but later on it won't. You may also be doing lower damage because of lack of gear? Getting a little crit rate and ATK gear will help your damage. If you are using all Crit Damage crystals then that's also another reason your damage is low. You gotta get high ATK in order to hit high. To be honest though Samurai rely on levels a lot so they don't do that great of damage at lower levels. It's a hard class. From what I gather, that passive is like you had a piece of equipment that gave +100% Crit Damage. It basically doubles the damage you do with criticals. Anything that increases damage in any way will work with this skill but if your ATK is too low then boosting that will do the most. |
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i will play toram when there's more classes.
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Post by lilac on Oct 16, 2014 2:59:40 GMT
I can clearly tell you are not reading the build fully. the description below the build suggest this is for maximum damage and skill delay right? check if unsure. priorities goes to STR>AGI>DEX. all those stat increase samurai's ATK & DEX also reduce cooldown time. what's wrong with that? even current imode cap wont be able to max your CRT upon apostolia release let alone iruna english. if these guide is just for the days before apostolia then your point is completely fine. I am reading it fully. 5 stat builds spread the stats out too much, that's why it isn't recommended. Aside from that, at low levels you may want CRT to increase your CRT rate and damage but at the current cap CRT doesn't provide any boost, so that's a reason that should be left out, unless this is a build for leveling at lower levels, in which case AGI and/or DEX should be left out. Basically CRT has little to no benefit at higher levels and is better left out for other stats. In regards to if stat release increases the cap, we will have to wait and see. However, if it does that doesn't the help the case for a 5 stat build, it just basically means replacing AGI with CRT is an option. This probably won't make much of a difference either way though. 1 ATK vs 1 CRT isn't much of a difference. you tried that or you assume that? if its an assumption then this ends here. |
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