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Post by womble on Oct 4, 2014 6:23:38 GMT
Try dragon chain over dprs counter.
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Post by Vetkin on Oct 5, 2014 3:52:38 GMT
I bought sofys xtal 14m before. don't know if its op or low priced. since I have a hiwiz spina is not really a prob. and I saw someone said in game that sofys will deal more dmg than anubites. not sure though. Tested Anubites xtal in the mir symbol. It really low compared to using viola. By using viola, i can get roughly 3k per counter but with the Mir symbol, i just got 1.8k... And i cannot find any sofys in the market. |
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Post by crazybrker on Oct 5, 2014 8:18:40 GMT
Sofy > Anubis Some say Sofy damage is based on HP, but I can't confirm. DPR counter was crap damage and proc rate so you are better off covering it with a Sofy. I had a Viola but never tested it's damage against a Sofy, that would be great if you could use that and a MATK xtal. I bought all 3 of my sofy for 10-12 and sold them for 14m. So yea going price is 10-14m. Have fun! Nope, you have higher DPS if you put a MATK xtal into the DPR, test it out if you want, why would you waste a slot by replacing one counter with another, instead of boosting the whole counter damage in general? You can still have 4 counters (Viola, DPR, 2 Sofys in Weapon and Special Equipment) and boast higher MATK which will help with the DPS a lot ^^. I agree that that is a waste to overwrite an autoskill but like I said, the DPR damage and proc was low compared to Sofy, the 10% boost from FG/Shojo/Wargvel didn't make up for the lack of damage. That was my conclusion anyways. Sofy was doing 5-6k to mega unbuffed and with the resty buff 7.5-8k (No mezza or gerust either) so if DPR can hit for 5k on the regular, go for it. I switched to offensive now with 3 Ifrits. The counter build runs out of usefulness for most bosses 200+. If you have to get hit to do damage. Then you will die. Taking more than 3 consecutive hits is very risky even for Max VIT/INT builds. It's very fun to farm lower mobs with it though! |
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Oct 5, 2014 13:38:35 GMT
Sofy > Anubis Some Sofy damage based on HP, but I cant confirm. DPR counter was crap damage and proc rate so you are better off covering it with Sofy. I had a Viola but never tested its damage against a Sofy, that would e great if you couldse that and a MATK xtal. I bought all 3 of my sofy for 1-12 and sold them for 14m. So yea going price is 10-14m. Have fun! Nope, you have higher DPS if you put a MATK xtal into the DPR, test it out if you want, why would you waste a slot by replacing one counter with another, instead of boosting the whole counter damage in general? You can still have 5 counters (Viola, DPR, 2 Sofys in Weapon and Special Equipment) and boast higher MATK which will help with the DPS a lot ^^. You can only proc 4 autos In an Instance so having 2 consumes autoskill In weapon Is a waste. (well moowan was able to show me more procs In 1 attack on battle log ss but later I found out In my tests that It was just due to latency because I was able to proc 8 autos + 2 enchants In battlelog. there Is just too much auto going on that It was not presented In the right order but it does come from 2 attacks although it looks like It came from 1) enchanter dps Is complex because not all skills have the same damage formula (e.g. manawave vs firelance) and base proc rates as most here suggests that sofys has better rates (i havent tested sofys really, but I know that some gears have better proc rates than others). So the trade offs between auto rates vs matk vs better autoskill can remain debateable and Isnt really as straightforward as It looks. I |
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Post by Tyranull on Oct 5, 2014 20:46:35 GMT
These problems you are having are exactly why they are obsolete. The only two counters that matter really at this point in time on English Iruna are d mail and judgement's counters, since they shield from damage, and can have a chance to heal you for as much damage as you would have taken. The only thing is, they aren't nub friendly, meaning they can't be used by lower levels very effectively. Basically the counters are lv based when it comes to damage, and the lower the lv, the lower the damage. But irregardless, it was never made for the purpose of doing dps, it was made to augment the ability of me, and any other job who uses this set to solo stuff. Yes I said any other job, since other jobs can use this. Monk is the best alternate to ench with my respective set, however, which is Judgement Ziddu, d mail Ziddu, Mir/Glory cape Ziddu, lotus seeds Ziddu with q cool nail, vit5 armor, auto lv5 add and accessory, heal special.
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Post by Tyranull on Oct 5, 2014 20:51:01 GMT
Hell, I am not even done my own set, but honestly, I can solo loads of stuff, thanks to the two Ziddu xtals I currently have, and I often proc nearly every defend, and even so; I still am missing two Ziddu, and two auto lv 5, which is 16%. This set will be able to support itself as an ench once we get our job bonus at lv 280, so it doesn't even matter how strong a boss or mob is if you can block almost all the hits.
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Post by crazybrker on Oct 7, 2014 10:32:10 GMT
These problems you are having are exactly why they are obsolete. The only two counters that matter really at this point in time on English Iruna are d mail and judgement's counters, since they shield from damage, and can have a chance to heal you for as much damage as you would have taken. The only thing is, they aren't nub friendly, meaning they can't be used by lower levels very effectively. Basically the counters are lv based when it comes to damage, and the lower the lv, the lower the damage. But irregardless, it was never made for the purpose of doing dps, it was made to augment the ability of me, and any other job who uses this set to solo stuff. Yes I said any other job, since other jobs can use this. Monk is the best alternate to ench with my respective set, however, which is Judgement Ziddu, d mail Ziddu, Mir/Glory cape Ziddu, lotus seeds Ziddu with q cool nail, vit5 armor, auto lv5 add and accessory, heal special. I think we (You and me) are talking about 2 different things. I am definitely talking about DPS and damage dealt as the primary concern of my counter-attack aka counter build. I care nothing of damage reduction. Your seem to be mostly concerned with damage reduction, canceling and absorption. Less interest into DPS. I think the thread is more centered around DPS. IE Aunbitsu vs Sofy vs DPR vs D Mail vs Viola vs MATK and which combinations give you the best DPS. I could be wrong but that's how I'm reading it.... |
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Post by Tyranull on Oct 7, 2014 19:08:50 GMT
As enchanter has 3 main subset of builds (Tank, Dps, balance) so does counter enchanter. If you look to my previous build, I stated my specific set was for tanking purposes, however could pose potential dps on specific mobs and bosses like the ones who have defense against everything (False grecia, dunkelis, Guevol, etc). Now I know the damage is not that stellar if you are a low lv with my set, but once you level up more the damage will likely grow more and more to your liking. Honestly, I could care less about how damage per second I am doing if I gotta worry about dying, which is why I only use counters which completely block my damage. But sure, it is nice to see you guys enjoying xtals and whatever else that was never used in the first place; but I feel as though all other counters are useless. Thats just my opinion and whatever so I hope you people aren't like certain "others" who get super defensive about stuff that isn't even fully developed.
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elias
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Post by elias on Oct 7, 2014 22:48:44 GMT
Oh well now i'm really confused with all these opinions..
Anyway! As I don't have that much spina I'm aiming for this counter set:
Resty s/fg or better (?)
Dpr up s/Sofys
Viola s/fg or better (?)
Mermaid Earring s/Sofys
Is it good enough? I mean, for an average player with low amount of spina xD
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Post by Tyranull on Oct 8, 2014 2:24:10 GMT
Oh well now i'm really confused with all these opinions.. Anyway! As I don't have that much spina I'm aiming for this counter set: Resty s/fg or better (?) Dpr up s/Sofys Viola s/fg or better (?) Mermaid Earring s/Sofys Is it good enough? I mean, for an average player with low amount of spina xD I feel ya, I am poor too. But your set is pretty impressive for dps. Do you have all of that, or is that what you are aiming for? |
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elias
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Post by elias on Oct 8, 2014 19:33:23 GMT
Oh well now i'm really confused with all these opinions.. Anyway! As I don't have that much spina I'm aiming for this counter set: Resty s/fg or better (?) Dpr up s/Sofys Viola s/fg or better (?) Mermaid Earring s/Sofys Is it good enough? I mean, for an average player with low amount of spina xD I feel ya, I am poor too. But your set is pretty impressive for dps. Do you have all of that, or is that what you are aiming for? well, atm my set is still the same as in first post... Still trying to sell mir sofys cause i'm scared to use an empty crysta xD |
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Post by elias on Oct 9, 2014 18:40:07 GMT
UPDATE!
My sweet sister zoe (love her so much) extracted sofys from mir for me *-*/
Updating my set!
Resty rod ns
Dpr up sofys
Viola ns
Dragonewt bangle sofys
Tested against medusas.. With resty boost, sofys counters dealt an amazing 12k!!!
Schlingel, you are next.
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Post by elias on Oct 9, 2014 19:05:45 GMT
Update. With resty buff, viola's counter dealt 15k to pretages (light element). I can't even imagine my power with lv 200 and 2 matk xtals (viola and resty). COUNTER ENCHANTER ROCKS!! TOUCH ME, I DARE YOU!!
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Oct 10, 2014 1:11:14 GMT
IMO, the true potential DPS of a counter build is when you are able to tank 4mobs.
4x auto x 4x mobs =16 potential autos. Your battle log will be scrolling too fast with that.
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elias
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Post by elias on Oct 10, 2014 1:53:57 GMT
IMO, the true potential DPS of a counter build is when you are able to tank 4mobs. 4x auto x 4x mobs =16 potential autos. Your battle log will be scrolling too fast with that. I agree with you, the real test will be when I reach lv180 (magic barrier 3 + origin) and it will be against megaroches *-* |
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