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Post by Rascally on Sept 15, 2014 9:01:52 GMT
Hello all,
I'm on my way saving up to get a second ifrit. I'm making a set purely for soloing High Ents.
My set is
Pramia/Gerust
Dragon Mail/ Sofya (just a stand in gear atm, will probably sell)
Mir Symbol/ Ifrit
Reduce Bangle ns
Spell Boost on an Ice Book Up for quick switch and cast
I have a clean Ultimi
Would I gain much from slotting the Ultimi with Ifrit?
Should I just get a DPR up and slot that with Ifrit?
Would there be any gain in slotting a random spc equip with Ifrit as well, instead of Reduce?
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Sept 15, 2014 9:35:22 GMT
I use 4 ifrits and can down an ent in 4 to 5 hits, 3 if im lucky. im 160+ with 1dex.
For this reason I dont do ents. They die too quick to drain. Solo megas are probably better for your reduce bangle.
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Post by aroxis on Sept 20, 2014 17:43:03 GMT
I sorta feel like this thread serves no purpose whatsoever execpt to boast. All the questions you asked have already been answered. Idk what post above was really for since we all know that mili has a 2s amulet and can kill stuff fast but not everyone has a 2s amulet.
Im not hating or anything but give an appropriate title like. "Showing off my gears and how fast i can kill stuff"
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Post by Prayerz on Sept 20, 2014 18:26:34 GMT
I sorta feel like this thread serves no purpose whatsoever execpt to boast. All the questions you asked have already been answered. Idk what post above was really for since we all know that mili has a 2s amulet and can kill stuff fast but not everyone has a 2s amulet. Im not hating or anything but give an appropriate title like. "Showing off my gears and how fast i can kill stuff" Not to knock your feeling of superiority when replying to people's threads, but she asked questions, and they weren't already answered in her post: Would I gain much from slotting the Ultimi with Ifrit? Should I just get a DPR up and slot that with Ifrit? Would there be any gain in slotting a random spc equip with Ifrit as well, instead of Reduce? She wanted to know basically if Ultimi or DPR would be better, and if it would matter if she used a random special instead of reduce ns, and put ifrit in that. Please, refrain from replying if you do like the user's post. ^^ Also, Rascally, I'm not an enchanter but I don't believe you can really compare Ultimi to DPR up. While both can be beneficial, they are completely different armors altogether stats wise. But I would suggest using DPR+Ifrit, because then you have the autoskill+4% to help with Ifrit triggers. Also, I believe you could slot an ifrit into a special equip as well, and it would probably suffice as better dps than using reduce bangle. Remember I'm not an enchanter though, so I don't know much about how the autoskills proc and how well reduce would affect dps. |
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Post by Rascally on Sept 20, 2014 19:52:29 GMT
I sorta feel like this thread serves no purpose whatsoever execpt to boast. All the questions you asked have already been answered. Idk what post above was really for since we all know that mili has a 2s amulet and can kill stuff fast but not everyone has a 2s amulet. Im not hating or anything but give an appropriate title like. "Showing off my gears and how fast i can kill stuff" Bizarre response. Enchanters regularly use high ents to grind exp. I want to know peoples ideas of how this can be done as fast as possible, it makes sense to wonder this as I can then get more from my grind and level up faster. I am very clearly asking how to maximise DPS on one particular mob. I'm not sure which parts of my thread are boasting, from my posts you can see I'm a moderately equipped enchanter, I think you've gotten the wrong end of the stick there. Where in my post have I said how fast I can kill them? just blizzare. I suggest you try looking at things from another angle rather than assuming that I must have my head stuck up my own arse purely from the questions I'm asking. |
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Post by Rascally on Sept 20, 2014 19:59:45 GMT
I sorta feel like this thread serves no purpose whatsoever execpt to boast. All the questions you asked have already been answered. Idk what post above was really for since we all know that mili has a 2s amulet and can kill stuff fast but not everyone has a 2s amulet. Im not hating or anything but give an appropriate title like. "Showing off my gears and how fast i can kill stuff" Not to knock your feeling of superiority when replying to people's threads, but she asked questions, and they weren't already answered in her post: Would I gain much from slotting the Ultimi with Ifrit? Should I just get a DPR up and slot that with Ifrit? Would there be any gain in slotting a random spc equip with Ifrit as well, instead of Reduce? She wanted to know basically if Ultimi or DPR would be better, and if it would matter if she used a random special instead of reduce ns, and put ifrit in that. Please, refrain from replying if you do like the user's post. ^^ Also, Rascally, I'm not an enchanter but I don't believe you can really compare Ultimi to DPR up. While both can be beneficial, they are completely different armors altogether stats wise. But I would suggest using DPR+Ifrit, because then you have the autoskill+4% to help with Ifrit triggers. Also, I believe you could slot an ifrit into a special equip as well, and it would probably suffice as better dps than using reduce bangle. Remember I'm not an enchanter though, so I don't know much about how the autoskills proc and how well reduce would affect dps. Thanks for your reply. I think that I will try using dpr upgraded and slot that with an ifrit and see how that makes a difference for me. for the record, aroxis, Mili's response was useful as I had not considered that you could end up killing ents too fast to be able to drain them, thus losing ability to survive as easily. |
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Post by aroxis on Sept 20, 2014 20:30:32 GMT
I sorta feel like this thread serves no purpose whatsoever execpt to boast. All the questions you asked have already been answered. Idk what post above was really for since we all know that mili has a 2s amulet and can kill stuff fast but not everyone has a 2s amulet. Im not hating or anything but give an appropriate title like. "Showing off my gears and how fast i can kill stuff" Bizarre response. Enchanters regularly use high ents to grind exp. I want to know peoples ideas of how this can be done as fast as possible, it makes sense to wonder this as I can then get more from my grind and level up faster. I am very clearly asking how to maximise DPS on one particular mob. I'm not sure which parts of my thread are boasting, from my posts you can see I'm a moderately equipped enchanter, I think you've gotten the wrong end of the stick there. Where in my post have I said how fast I can kill them? just blizzare. I suggest you try looking at things from another angle rather than assuming that I must have my head stuck up my own arse purely from the questions I'm asking. I guess I really didn't get my point across properly and came off as rude in ze first post but I honestly think that these questions require just a little bit more of research b4 they are asked. Tbh I didn't rly find mili post helpful at all and kinda get the impression that its just showing off (but hey that can be a good thing motivating ppl to become enchanters bc of milis op dps) because almost no enchanter can kill a high ent b4 u get a heal from drain. Only ones ive seen can do that are moowan and apperently mili. But I honestly don't think its fair comparing his dps to other dps of ench because not every enchanter has acsess to 5 slots in their gear. Prayerz think of kinda like if a bishop came onto your thread saying he uses 2 slot resty and magical ring slot. Boasting about how he can 3 shot high ents or whatever. You automatically would take him out of the equation because he has 2s gear. BUT if that bishop goes around conparing himself to other bishops on a thread asking for help wouldn't u feel kinda annoyed? I don't really feel jelly cuz idgaf about other ppls gears or what dmg they do so don't think I'm jelly This is just my opinion so don't take it personally lol. |
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Post by Rascally on Sept 20, 2014 20:45:14 GMT
Bizarre response. Enchanters regularly use high ents to grind exp. I want to know peoples ideas of how this can be done as fast as possible, it makes sense to wonder this as I can then get more from my grind and level up faster. Im very clearly asking how to maximise DPS on one particular mob. I'm not sure which parts of my thread are boasting, from my posts you can see I'm a moderately equipped enchanter, I think you've gotten the wrong end of the stick there. Where in my post have I said how fast I can kill them? just blizzare. I suggest you try looking at things from another angle rather than assuming that I must have my head stuck up my own arse purely from the questions I'm asking. I guess I really didn't get my point across properly and came off as rude in ze first post but I honestly think that these questions require just a little bit more of research b4 they are asked. Tbh I didn't rly find mili post helpful at all and kinda get the impression that its just showing off (but hey that can be a good thing motivating ppl to become enchanters bc of milis op dps) because almost no enchanter can kill a high ent b4 u get a heal from drain. Only ones ive seen can do that are moowan and apperently mili. But I honestly don't think its fair comparing his dps to other dps of ench because not every enchanter has acsess to 5 slots in their gear. This is just my opinion so don't take it personally lol. It's all rather confusing. No one else has made a discussion about killing Ents as fast as possible so this thread is how I am researching it. So I should research before I research? .-. Lol Threads like this can be useful so people can share their own ideas and experiences and we can figure out what would be best. I'm miffed that you assume I'm boasting when that just doesn't make any sense, given what I posted. I need to list my gears so that people know what I'm working with and we can compare and contrast (my gears are average for an enchanter so I don't even have anything to boast about) . At first I wondered whether you were even responding to my post lol. Anyway I appreciate your views that maybe you're not interested in other people's experience of DPS on Ents, but I am lol that's why I made the thread xD Anyway thanks for sharing your opinions. |
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Post by aroxis on Sept 20, 2014 21:00:54 GMT
I guess I really didn't get my point across properly and came off as rude in ze first post but I honestly think that these questions require just a little bit more of research b4 they are asked. Tbh I didn't rly find mili post helpful at all and kinda get the impression that its just showing off (but hey that can be a good thing motivating ppl to become enchanters bc of milis op dps) because almost no enchanter can kill a high ent b4 u get a heal from drain. Only ones ive seen can do that are moowan and apperently mili. But I honestly don't think its fair comparing his dps to other dps of ench because not every enchanter has acsess to 5 slots in their gear. This is just my opinion so don't take it personally lol. It's all rather confusing. No one else has made a discussion about killing Ents as fast as possible so this thread is how I am researching it. So I should research before I research? .-. Lol Threads like this can be useful so people can share their own ideas and experiences and we can figure out what would be best. I'm miffed that you assume I'm boasting when that just doesn't make any sense, given what I posted. I need to list my gears so that people know what I'm working with and we can compare and contrast (my gears are average for an enchanter so I don't even have anything to boast about) . At first I wondered whether you were even responding to my post lol. Anyway I appreciate your views that maybe you're not interested in other people's experience of DPS on Ents, but I am lol that's why I made the thread xD Anyway thanks for sharing your opinions. Yeah sorry about coming off as rude since I guess I really didn't understand the purpose of the thread. Just understand that enchanter is always a class of preference. No matter how much u ask for advice on gear, your gonna just end up going with what suits u best. I have both ultimo and dpr and I found out that both of them have their own pros and cons and either of those armor will suit certain ench better than others. I know some enchanters that use booster upg and can still out dps a lot of ppl. I think ench is all about trial and error so if u don't like one thing experiment with another. ^^ ofc u don't have to listen to me lol. just my own 2 cents |
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Post by Prayerz on Sept 21, 2014 3:30:39 GMT
aroxis no I wouldn't even mind that he/she shared that, because, as a bishop, it is in my curiosity to wanna know what I should aim for, even 2s gears. Although, out of available bishop weapons, in the sense of mob grinding, I would prefer a 2s Light Rod vs a 2s Resty, because my light damage itself will be amplified immensely, vs the normal raising of my matk. And it's already proven that elemental damage is at the point where it serves as a better form if dps than normal damage. Even Moowan said her 1s shinatsu hime did higher damage on megas than her 2s red tengu did. That is an astonishing thing when comparing 4 slot vs 5 slot gear. Moral of the story: Elemental damage ftw
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Sept 21, 2014 4:16:56 GMT
Enchanter dps is hard to determine which is why we measure by how fast we kill stuff. Ive seen enchanters deal higher damage than me but still kill slower, because their dps is cosmetic (you see high damage yes, but their dps is low, hence, they kill slow).
Auto attack enchanters rely heavily on autoskills because they are an autoskill class and your autoskill rate should be treated like hit rate. What good is high damage if you dont hit the mob often? This is why I think 4% from dpr is superior than matk from others.
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Post by moowan on Sept 22, 2014 17:24:03 GMT
Well.. everyone has its own build.. we cant force anyone to follow.. n yes i can kill a ent without drain within 3 sec he is dead.. i think most of the enchanter had seen it even mili... so i have no need to prove it as i quitted my chanter n go for glad.. i have no 2s wep in my chanter.. is all depend what u wan cause i believe every build has it reason.. jus believe the build u choose
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Post by godofafro on Sept 23, 2014 1:50:49 GMT
Well.. everyone has its own build.. we cant force anyone to follow.. n yes i can kill a ent without drain within 3 sec he is dead.. i think most of the enchanter had seen it even mili... so i have no need to prove it as i quitted my chanter n go for glad.. i have no 2s wep in my chanter.. is all depend what u wan cause i believe every build has it reason.. jus believe the build u choose this is correct, 2s weaps can provide an edge over damage, but whther you have 2s or 1s, a skilled user will always be good at what they are |
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Post by JunJunPow on Oct 8, 2014 2:05:44 GMT
I use 4 ifrits and can down an ent in 4 to 5 hits, 3 if im lucky. im 160+ with 1dex. For this reason I dont do ents. They die too quick to drain. Solo megas are probably better for your reduce bangle. I find it very hard to miss a drain even with 5s gear, if you're killing too fast just stop attacking for a bit (like even just a sec) and you'll have a drain tick. Unless of course you get hit every single time then that really could be an issue. Then again, if you're using amulet 2s then i'd be assuming you are at max int and pretty high agi enough to pull off max aspd and a few evades that you don't need to drain all the time. Also, if i 3-5 shot an ent and find another target easily rather than waiting for a mega spawn and killing it off in 30 seconds (give or take) then i'd still stick with ents. Anyways, as per Rascally's concern, DPR's +4% autoskill trigger imo is better than Ultimi especially if you have full 4 autos in your gear. I did a bit of testing with gears way back, I used booster upgrade fg, pramia gerust, dpr ifrit, a random spec eqp ifrit, and i kill ents in a bit over 9 sec and megas at well over 35 sec on average. The trigger rate of booster up was very high using claws than swords or canes that i usually ending up on a berserk lock and landing at least 1 fire lance per attack. (so at worst i'm dealing 2 lances per second and as high as 6 lances per second at best). So instead of using reduce bangle ns and having 3 slot gear, you could go for a budget 4-slot for better output. Just a suggestion though, don't take my word for it. Go have fun and experiment |
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Oct 8, 2014 10:49:11 GMT
I use 4 ifrits and can down an ent in 4 to 5 hits, 3 if im lucky. im 160+ with 1dex. For this reason I dont do ents. They die too quick to drain. Solo megas are probably better for your reduce bangle. I find it very hard to miss a drain even with 5s gear, if you're killing too fast just stop attacking for a bit (like even just a sec) and you'll have a drain tick. Unless of course you get hit every single time then that really could be an issue. Then again, if you're using amulet 2s then i'd be assuming you are at max int and pretty high agi enough to pull off max aspd and a few evades that you don't need to drain all the time. Also, if i 3-5 shot an ent and find another target easily rather than waiting for a mega spawn and killing it off in 30 seconds (give or take) then i'd still stick with ents. Anyways, as per Rascally's concern, DPR's +4% autoskill trigger imo is better than Ultimi especially if you have full 4 autos in your gear. I did a bit of testing with gears way back, I used booster upgrade fg, pramia gerust, dpr ifrit, a random spec eqp ifrit, and i kill ents in a bit over 9 sec and megas at well over 35 sec on average. The trigger rate of booster up was very high using claws than swords or canes that i usually ending up on a berserk lock and landing at least 1 fire lance per attack. (so at worst i'm dealing 2 lances per second and as high as 6 lances per second at best). So instead of using reduce bangle ns and having 3 slot gear, you could go for a budget 4-slot for better output. Just a suggestion though, don't take my word for it. Go have fun and experiment Sorry I failed to mentioned that when I did the test, I was under leveled (around 140+) so Ents aggro on me and I don't have Stone skin to keep me alive. I was forced to keep spamming RevL and keep killing as fast as I can to stay alive (since draining causes me more problem for the delay than it heals me). It serves it's purpose to level fast but it was to stressful for me (I have to be active every second). It was so easier to solo kill megas than solo kill Ents (at level 140+) for me because I can drain megas but I couldn't drain Ents. Normally at megas I would click drain then RevL occassionally and whistle. When I got stone skin I don't use RevL anymore. Anyway, after 160 I am still doing megas and never came back at Ents. Perhaps I would do better at Ents now but then again, why bother clicking buttons so many times at Ents when you can click occasionally at megas for the same result. |
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