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Post by jtothegibson on Aug 13, 2015 14:23:16 GMT
Is enpclaw build going to win out in the long run or should I get a thimble s s that when Monty beret comes out I can utilize the 1.75 atk per dex with a special bow. I only ask because even with a mirage bow I was doing 98-101k doc and with enp2 I do 60-77k docs. Enp2+9 ganei eva5 Exe3 dorry eva4 SchlaHelm ganei tech5 WarriorB WoL fixed melee2
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Post by Jeancarlo on Aug 13, 2015 15:40:22 GMT
Is enpclaw build going to win out in the long run or should I get a thimble s s that when Monty beret comes out I can utilize the 1.75 atk per dex with a special bow. I only ask because even with a mirage bow I was doing 98-101k doc and with enp2 I do 60-77k docs. Enp2+9 ganei eva5 Exe3 dorry eva4 SchlaHelm ganei tech5 WarriorB WoL fixed melee2 Short answer: Go with a Spc Bow build Long answer: You're essentially comparing apples and oranges. Emp2's benefit is not only in higher base dmg (which is offset by the higher ATK from a AGI/CRT build+spc bow) but also the atk speed buff, which does not help at all when looking at DoC dmg (since that's a skill use) Simply put: while spc bow is doing 10K/sec + 100K/10sec (no -sd for simplicity) = ~200K dmg every 10 seconds Emp2 is doing 20K/sec (when buff procs) + 70K Doc/10 sec = 270K every 10 seconds Best of all is that you can use Emp2 only until buff procs, and then switch to your spc bow and you have the best of both worlds Roxzen guess you could add Maniji to the list if nail weapons for nin, works great for mine o.o Stats: Atk+5%, Hate Rise -10%, All elements, Melee up by half of level, small mp recovery by atk. Yeah, the auto kills rengeki, but imo this auto is really good replacement for nins passive (at least for long time grind/bosses that drain mp). From my experience when u DoC and then auto atk, u recover full or almost full mp used for skill during the doc delay. 1-6 mp per tick, procs everytime. Not a bad weap, but loosing rengeki is a big deal if the offsetting benefit is mp only. CMO can usually sustain MP usage unless you're spamming DoC (IIRC it's 1%MP+10 which was netting me around 35MP/tick with 2500 MP pool)
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Post by jtothegibson on Aug 13, 2015 21:39:16 GMT
Is enpclaw build going to win out in the long run or should I get a thimble s s that when Monty beret comes out I can utilize the 1.75 atk per dex with a special bow. I only ask because even with a mirage bow I was doing 98-101k doc and with enp2 I do 60-77k docs. Enp2+9 ganei eva5 Exe3 dorry eva4 SchlaHelm ganei tech5 WarriorB WoL fixed melee2 Short answer: Go with a Spc Bow build Long answer: You're essentially comparing apples and oranges. Emp2's benefit is not only in higher base dmg (which is offset by the higher ATK from a AGI/CRT build+spc bow) but also the atk speed buff, which does not help at all when looking at DoC dmg (since that's a skill use) Simply put: while spc bow is doing 10K/sec + 100K/10sec (no -sd for simplicity) = ~200K dmg every 10 seconds Emp2 is doing 20K/sec (when buff procs) + 70K Doc/10 sec = 270K every 10 seconds Best of all is that you can use Emp2 only until buff procs, and then switch to your spc bow and you have the best of both worlds Roxzen guess you could add Maniji to the list if nail weapons for nin, works great for mine o.o Stats: Atk+5%, Hate Rise -10%, All elements, Melee up by half of level, small mp recovery by atk. Yeah, the auto kills rengeki, but imo this auto is really good replacement for nins passive (at least for long time grind/bosses that drain mp). From my experience when u DoC and then auto atk, u recover full or almost full mp used for skill during the doc delay. 1-6 mp per tick, procs everytime. Not a bad weap, but loosing rengeki is a big deal if the offsetting benefit is mp only. CMO can usually sustain MP usage unless you're spamming DoC (IIRC it's 1%MP+10 which was netting me around 35MP/tick with 2500 MP pool) Lol so long story short I shouldn't worry about it until there are better special bows out. Not to mention the next special bow of any consequence isn't even out until crafting skill 180 which we are nowhere near.
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Post by Jeancarlo on Aug 13, 2015 21:48:21 GMT
Well, I'm somewhat biased as I am a Spc bow NIN too lol. The one thing I miss with SPC Bow is the EVA on some claws, but instead of switching stats, I can just switch gears when I need them. I Finally got Emp2 (18 stacks this event alone!) which I plan to use as a buffing weapon then switch to Spc bows.
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Post by jtothegibson on Aug 13, 2015 22:25:12 GMT
I just feel the monty beret with it's 8% atk .75 per dex and skill delay is just too amazing of an accessory to not use. With a thimble, just 200 stat points into dex equals a solid 350 base damage jump. even with emp2 12% buff and higher base damage i still lost 300+ base damage @ lvl 206 going to claw. Without mini fike I would have cried a little at the loss.
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Post by jtothegibson on Aug 13, 2015 22:26:55 GMT
I'm just thinking about the future though. That isn't until a lvl 328ish mob though so. la ti da. Just thinking to myself at this point.
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Post by Crysta| on Sept 9, 2015 22:38:38 GMT
Not a bad weap, but loosing rengeki is a big deal if the offsetting benefit is mp only. CMO can usually sustain MP usage unless you're spamming DoC (IIRC it's 1%MP+10 which was netting me around 35MP/tick with 2500 MP pool) That's maybe true, but with maniji you don't need to use mp pots/cmo ever. Guess it was designed for lazy people like myself to never farm cmo XD It's up to people what they wanna use in the end. Also you could just place dajarte in maniji to cancel auto. Maniji is great to bully Larkas, just throwing in my two cents.
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Post by isqueeze on Sept 10, 2015 6:01:47 GMT
btw i wanna ask sir, why do u write
Ganei: Atk +10% -30% hp, cancels out when equipped on spc (usually people get 3 before lvl 200)
what do people get instead of ganei after lvl 200? thanks!
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Post by jtothegibson on Sept 10, 2015 22:26:25 GMT
with proper abilities atk5 claw etc you can get your hp low enough without using one of the ganeis. thus freeing up your add gear for xtals such as a raton. it's not really a after 200 people use fewer ganeis it's completely dependant upon your ability to gear yourself appropriately with the amount of spina you have.
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Post by isqueeze on Sept 12, 2015 7:02:55 GMT
with proper abilities atk5 claw etc you can get your hp low enough without using one of the ganeis. thus freeing up your add gear for xtals such as a raton. it's not really a after 200 people use fewer ganeis it's completely dependant upon your ability to gear yourself appropriately with the amount of spina you have. thankyou sir yeah i get it now ^^
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Post by miyaluna on Oct 4, 2015 17:12:26 GMT
I know it's a stupid question to ask, but where can you get maniji?><
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Post by Crysta|'s hubby on Oct 5, 2015 2:21:06 GMT
I know it's a stupid question to ask, but where can you get maniji?>< Maelriel i believe is the spelling of the bosses name
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Post by talia on Oct 11, 2015 16:11:56 GMT
I tried placing a wol in my maniji to cancel the mp auto so ni could proc, but for some reason I'm still receiving mp. Any thoughts?
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Post by Crysta|'s hubby on Oct 12, 2015 8:09:04 GMT
Um o.o.....wol only gives double attack on spec and wol even if it could cancel manijis auto would still replace ni rengeki no matter what u do maniji will get rid of ni rengeki
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Post by talia on Oct 12, 2015 14:19:41 GMT
About weapons with auto-skills, to cancel out the auto-skill you can place WoL into the weapon, that will allow your ni rengeki passive to proc. Just to review the stats for WoL. "Atk+10% Additional Attack chance when equipped to special (consumes auto-skill)" Of course you could always keep the Auto-skill if you choose to. Not according to the op
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