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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 6:58:26 GMT
never forget to mention the first most important thing. Your Level. if im not mistaken, samurai crt is increased for each level. your 30 crit is now 208 because your level is 178. of course you will always crit. lower levels cant crit much so those crystals are not permanently used. be in other people's shoes.what's he's asking is whether the -% CRT rate from the xtal will still affect the bonus even provided by the critical buff (which adds +1 CRT per level) I havent tested that so no idea on that answer.. i get a chance to test a char with 189 crit before & it does crit 1/3 of attack if not everytime. the equips tested were as shown: parring bow unrefined: critical rate+10lotus seed: critical rate-202 schlingels: critical rate-10 for eachthat's a total of -20 crit rate reduction and the char still crit a lot.
of course, its a high level char but that's the only i can test. for someone without max crit, its barely noticeable. crit rate doesn't suffer as bad as exaggerated unless you always crit like 95% & a single white damage could make you worry. |
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Post by vietgz on Jan 26, 2014 7:07:48 GMT
Kronikk is right! For Samurai- if anything had to do with crit deduction is a negative for samurai dmg. Most highly recommended xtal for samurai is : BC, Plzauda, Minenaga, Ganei (only if slot special eq),Hydra, Sharpness 2 or 3, Cerberus(only if you have 100+crit pts attribute).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2014 7:14:27 GMT
not stating he is wrong either. on paper YES samurai is crit. on real world? many choose not to max crit.
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Post by godofafro on Jan 26, 2014 12:14:19 GMT
both are correct, samurai skill CRT increase is based on level, hence if ur level 335 u will gain 335 crt. you just need a little more CRT added to hit 410 CRT(for max CRT dmg).these samurai can afford to have a little -% crit rate as their crt rate is too high (can afford some % being deducted and still maintain 95% crit)
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Senpai
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Post by Senpai on Jan 28, 2014 15:18:32 GMT
Kronikk is right! For Samurai- if anything had to do with crit deduction is a negative for samurai dmg. Most highly recommended xtal for samurai is : BC, Plzauda, Minenaga, Ganei (only if slot special eq),Hydra, Sharpness 2 or 3, Cerberus(only if you have 100+crit pts attribute). might be a bit unrelated, but does ganei xtal add 30% of hp AND the atk +10% if on special? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2014 19:19:58 GMT
Kronikk is right! For Samurai- if anything had to do with crit deduction is a negative for samurai dmg. Most highly recommended xtal for samurai is : BC, Plzauda, Minenaga, Ganei (only if slot special eq),Hydra, Sharpness 2 or 3, Cerberus(only if you have 100+crit pts attribute). might be a bit unrelated, but does ganei xtal add 30% of hp AND the atk +10% if on special? Gani reduced hp by 30% always. even in special equipt. BUT in a special equipt it also adds 30% hp which cancels it out. I take away 30 I give back 30 you loose or gain nothing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2014 19:35:44 GMT
Im not sure if this will work but its something to think about...
All the jp sam builds include crt at one point or another, all at the lower end of the stats. Im guessing that adding CRT will be useful and adds critical damage since CRT increases critical damage and crt rate. It wont be useful before 256 because you will be busy building as much base damage as you can with other stats and you can live with the samurai crt buff.
STR> AGI> DEX> CRT> VIT
STR, AGI Kansuto after blood of DEX pretend
skill delay secure, and VIT Afternoon
Meikyoshisui during CRT ensure maximum value
Thermal type pole.
VIT> DEX> AGI> STR
The STR Chi VIT, DEX, AGI of pole swing
Thermal shield type using a special sword.
INT> DEX> AGI> CRT
INT, AGI, DEX Kansuto after, CRT
When using a magic sword.
Notice how all the samurai stats have CRT as a 4th stat with the exeption of the special sword build (because adding crt will reduce special swords base damage). At level 256 you will be able to cap 3 stats with 7 points left over. You will also gain the full effect of the samurais crt buff. Which leads me to these possible explainations:
1) CRT can still be used to increase critical damage
2) The CRT is only for the 410 stat extention. (This still is up in the air since iruna keeps going and going and going and going. Maybe we will reach lvl 410 level cap 0_0)
Either way CRT is needed the lower your level for samurai and crt is needed the higher your level. 100-150 may need that crt and level 256+ will need the crt.
Yes samurai needs CRT. It depends on your level i would say.
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Senpai
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Post by Senpai on Jan 28, 2014 19:43:14 GMT
might be a bit unrelated, but does ganei xtal add 30% of hp AND the atk +10% if on special? Gani reduced hp by 30% always. even in special equipt. BUT in a special equipt it also adds 30% hp which cancels it out. I take away 30 I give back 30 you loose or gain nothing. thanks for clearing this up, was always wondering. |
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Post by alelujah on Jan 30, 2014 3:03:11 GMT
I have a char going to be samurai my stats is
Full str
Crit 50
Then rest vit
I've seen some Final attack that damage ganei 1/2 of its hp so ganei shud be 2 shot of a samurai
Wicked
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2014 13:38:54 GMT
I have a char going to be samurai my stats is Full str Crit 50 Then rest vit I've seen some Final attack that damage ganei 1/2 of its hp so ganei shud be 2 shot of a samurai Wicked Remember final strike also kills refinement level on your weapon. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2014 14:05:07 GMT
I have a char going to be samurai my stats is Full str Crit 50 Then rest vit I've seen some Final attack that damage ganei 1/2 of its hp so ganei shud be 2 shot of a samurai Wicked We almost have the same build, except mine is 256 str, 40 crit and the rest to vit. But when I hit lv 160, I'll go full str, agi and rest to vit. |
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Post by alelujah on Feb 1, 2014 2:03:13 GMT
I have a char going to be samurai my stats is Full str Crit 50 Then rest vit I've seen some Final attack that damage ganei 1/2 of its hp so ganei shud be 2 shot of a samurai Wicked Remember final strike also kills refinement level on your weapon. |
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Post by alelujah on Feb 1, 2014 2:04:47 GMT
I have a char going to be samurai my stats is Full str Crit 50 Then rest vit I've seen some Final attack that damage ganei 1/2 of its hp so ganei shud be 2 shot of a samurai Wicked Remember final strike also kills refinement level on your weapon. I know but when a samurai hits lvl 140 there'sa skill buff that can ignore the level refinement so spamming final strike is ok |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2014 8:33:47 GMT
Remember final strike also kills refinement level on your weapon. I know but when a samurai hits lvl 140 there'sa skill buff that can ignore the level refinement so spamming final strike is ok It's at lv 160 at lv 140, you only learn the lv 2 Absolute clarity and lv 2 Grand majesty |
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Post by vietgz on Feb 1, 2014 12:07:13 GMT
Lol it amuse me reading some post here from ppl that don't understand nothing about Samurai . Posting false info can discourage alota players. So FYI, save the embarrassment please . The topic did said "Experiment w samurai" . Which mean if u haven't play a samurai to atleast lvl 160 and try re stat 1 or twice then please stfu lol.
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