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Post by Nobody (Retired for now) on Apr 16, 2021 20:16:34 GMT
Well, guys, so, I was watching a video talking about Toxic Fandoms (Which I found really interesting) And I concluded that there are like 3 main ingredients, which is needed at least one, for making a Fandom Toxic:
1. Romance and Shipps 2. "Sexualized" characters 3. Competitiveness
Well, I've been into Undertale, Steven Universe, Miraculous Ladybug, Skullgirls, Brawl Stars, Pokemon, Marvel, DC, Boku No Hero, Nanatzu no Taizai, and many others.
Basically I've been into some of the most Toxic Fandoms in the internet, which I can say they are PRETTY toxic, but, obviously talking from a generalized perspective.
So, guys, based in your experience and point of view: Is our fandom toxic? (From a very generalized point of view?)
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Post by Nobody (Retired for now) on Apr 16, 2021 20:25:28 GMT
If you ask me: I think it is a yes. Mainly because the RMTransformer, the aggressiveness some persons have against newbies or "Nubs" or the ones with lower level and IG currency, and the frauds/scams.
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Post by blackghost on Apr 16, 2021 21:08:34 GMT
If you ask me: I think it is a yes. Mainly because the RMTransformer, the aggressiveness some persons have against newbies or "Nubs" or the ones with lower level and IG currency, and the frauds/scams. literally every gaming fandom has one or two of that. You should see fortnite, iruna is child's play. As a person thats a part of novel (light, wuxia and western alike), manga, anime, hololive (war crime usagi gang) , comic (mainly DC and marvel but I've tried others too like Arachnis), cartoons (all of them), world history (mainly Greek, roman and medieval), science (astrophysics, chemistry, particle physics yes they have fandoms), artistic (Drawing), music (mainly rap and trap metal), philosophy and Theology (usually atheistic stuff) and martial art (fighting styles mainly) based fandoms let me tell you something. Toxicity is measured by what you said and more predominantly: -The amount of people in the fandom who basically say "my opinion is better than yours" -The amount of people who cry over small details instead of just trying to enjoy the what they enjoy. Aka the antis
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Post by blackghost on Apr 16, 2021 21:09:19 GMT
Iruna is more wholesome than any other fandom I've ever been in
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Post by blackghost on Apr 16, 2021 21:14:16 GMT
Aside from the world history fandom's, its pretty wholesome there.
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Post by Nobody (Retired for now) on Apr 16, 2021 21:30:37 GMT
blackghost, I totally get you. What makes a fandom a fandom are the persons, not the product. I knows there are other reasons why X group could go toxic, and why other do not. But, the reasons I enlisted are like the most noticeable. We all have heard about the whole drama about BNHA and their fandom toxicity about Shipps. Or the whole scandal Harems and Ecchiis provoke. And they very known, maked meme toxic competitiveness in LOL. I know that in every fandom there will be always that part that makes it look bad, or stinky, even inside the most pacific fandoms. (Looking you R34 Animal Crossing fans...) But, some fandoms shine in a really bad way, precisely because their fandom bad behavior. (Like the constant BNHA battles in Twitter because "X" girl wants to, by force, see Deku doing not monetizeable things to Todoroki)
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Post by Nobody (Retired for now) on Apr 16, 2021 21:32:39 GMT
A good place I've been is into the Ghibli fandom. Literally, everything there is practically peace, love, and art.
(Unless some R34 creeps find it out...)
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Post by Loftyz47 on Apr 16, 2021 21:50:22 GMT
the community isn't toxic, but the gameplay systems create incentives to be toxic, and create opportunities to be rewarded for being toxic.
one big incentive is that rule-breaking is not punished, so everyone cheats. The economy is a complete joke, and RWT is rampant. one big opportunity is seasonal items. It's a complete joke that soooo many of them are best-in-slot, and their price gets inflated after the event ends, which only benefits the top players who hoarded (or botted) it.
as for gameplay systems around player power; it's as toxic as any p2w mmo. if your character isn't as strong, you'll have less opportunity to play with strong players. in other games, they'd be able to inspect your gear and not invite based on that. In Iruna, they invite you, realise your character is weak after a few kills, and then kick you. That's not being toxic, and neither is refusing to help kill a mq boss (if they can't kill their current mq, they can't kill the next mq..)
In Iruna, player power is usually the result of several multiplicate systems (e.g. base MATK x MATK+% x Element Magic x Spellburst+%). Each improvement to your gear is greater than the improvement itself, because it's influencing (and being influenced by) every other multiplicative system. So fully geared players (8slot, good gear, relics, consumables, etc) become exponentially more powerful with every improvement, like a snowball rolling down a hill. And in comparison, weak players are.. weak. Like, super weak. The difference in power between being 4slot and being 8slot is like.. 7slots of power, if that makes sense. & in this regard, I don't care what the weak player thinks, because they decided to play this game with power systems that reward (& feed the egos of) powerful players. There are many other MMO with power systems that give diminishing returns as the player power becomes higher, which is the opposite of Iruna, and much more friendly to weaker players.
& It's definitely a fact that many of these weak players shouldn't play MMO to begin with. They are weak because of their low investment into the game (time, effort, skill, research, knowledge, aptitude, cheating, money, etc), and the MMO genre rewards your investment above all else. Maybe they are just here for the interaction, the social aspect, or the nostalgia. And my totally not-toxic response to that is: Ok, we do not have business with each other; please don't interact too much with me, because I am here in this game for fundamentally different things.
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Post by rolling on Apr 16, 2021 21:51:43 GMT
Its definitely toxic, I hate low levels/noobs, I'm not playing to provide them some sort of support, I play game for myself and IDGAF if that's selfish... I'm already wasting my time playing this Iruna and there's not a world where I can log in in good mood and be like "hey I'm bored should help someone." I wouldn't even turn on Iruna if had that in my mind... and I'm competitively toxic at most mainly when people trying to play in not the most efficient way. Pisses me off but don't get it wrong. I would be toxic to myself when I can't play in the most efficient way possible (I play summoner and that's one of the reasons I play alone) I am a degenerate... I believe that playing alone is the stupidest decision someone can make. There's just no reason to play alone when you can play in party, You wont kill bosses faster than in party, you wont grind faster, you wont farm faster. So just play useful class and learn what you have to do... AND PLEASE FOR FUCKS SAKE USE DEDUCTIVE REASONING when watching videos or reading guides. Most of them are just bad and teach bad things like, there's Geo Monks that play with 6 yellow lines which gives you 6% melee pierce and it reduces your shell breaks damage. If you see someone do that in youtube video or getting recommended that at least ask why and do your own research... And please do more grinding, I know its boring and sad but fml, nobody gonna be partying you except your friends even if you can do more damage while being 340lv than some 420lv players, because we don't have an inspect option in game which would show us your gear/stats/al's and all that stuff. Many people have definitely reported me in game for toxicity but never have someone like shouted that I'm a scammer or something, and it would be the last thing I would care about. I know way I play the game is pretty sad but over time I met nice people who take care of me in game (me narcissistically wasting their time). I am not always right either so if I tell people about the game or something that I'm not expert at I will tell them that they shouldn't take my word for granted.
P.S. I fkin hate people who take mean words personally.
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Post by Blerfy on Apr 16, 2021 22:02:08 GMT
Every fandom/online community has its problems. They all contain at least 1 of the 3 things you listed
Iruna has a problem with elitism/competitiveness (despite being a PVE game), 100%, and it's not pleasant at all. But would I call that a "toxic fandom"? Absolutely not. Theres a line between a toxic fan and a toxic fandom. I dont know a single fandom without elitism. Even the Ghibli fandom, as you mentioned, has it's elitists
I would consider fandoms like Steven Universe and My Hero Academia toxic because it has a major problem with gatekeeping, harassment, and even death threats. But iruna has none of that outside of isolated cases (which there will always be isolated cases for everything)
Calling iruna toxic is a major misrepresentation in my honest opinion
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Post by Nobody (Retired for now) on Apr 16, 2021 23:03:05 GMT
Hmm... Understood.
Well, for many reason you all enlisted above, are why I chose to make a guild only for me. I prefer to avoid most of the annoying parts of being in a MMO basically excluding myself.
Literally, if we had a "Iruna Offline" (Lol), I'd totally be there. But, unfortunately, the gameplay caught me.
Aside that, I do know that you can find crap anywhere if you look well. But, obviously there will be always places or groups where you can find that crap with less, much less effort.
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Post by Nobody (Retired for now) on Apr 16, 2021 23:15:13 GMT
I realize that some competitiveness can be healthy, that is why I still play Skullgirls PVP and Brawlstars.
But, things tend to go out of hand if that is not taken with care: Like the times I used to play Free Fire, and the typical weirdo shouting crap because somebody killed him. Or the bunch of guys arguing who is the "Besto waifu" in Skullgirls.
Aside that, I do understand and feel the same way when a new player comes from the nowhere and starts DEMANDING others for help, or "Strong gear". It is true that we do not have, as a must, to give them support if we can. But, is a whole different thing actively denigrating them or excluding them only because we give a Peepee that they are persons, specially if the person truly is new, knows almost no thing about the game or acts politely in first place.
Talking about that: You should look closely the case about a child with cancer who has been in everybody's mouth lately (At least for us, Spanish speakers):
*Tomii 11 and Shelos1Life.
Maybe you'll find a perfect example of what a toxic person is, and what kind of PIE they can be.
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Dragsbro
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I'm kind of a necromancer, as in playing with SK is just toying with dead stuff at this point
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Post by Dragsbro on Apr 17, 2021 0:04:20 GMT
Its definitely toxic, I hate low levels/noobs, I'm competitively toxic at most mainly when people trying to play in not the most efficient way I believe that playing alone is the stupidest decision someone can make. just play useful class and learn what you have to do... nobody gonna be partying you except your friends even if you can do more damage while being 340lv than some 420lv players Many people have definitely reported me in game for toxicity > I am toxic hence this game is toxic On a more serious note, as always, the toxic part of Iruna is much smaller yet much more visible than its counterpart, sadly... One big reason is some player's non-existent social skills (like mailing "GIVE ME WEAPON" without hello or thank you), but i believe those can often be explained by the fact those guys must be rather young. I helped a lot of people randomly at bailune during several years, and there always were those, BUT i also ran into countless genuine beginners who just had questions about the game and didn't ask for anything while being enjoyable to be around. On the other hand, what really is toxicity? Is the girl fangirling over deku x todoroki toxic, or are all the people around her yelling at her for enjoying something? The lack of nuance often make stuff seem more radical than it seem; i don't think you can say iruna is or is not toxic. Are frauding people toxic? Yes. Is the economy toxic? I think so. Are 10 years-old discovering a game toxic? If not toxic they're at least annoying. Does that make Iruna toxic? Meh, not convinced
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Post by Nobody (Retired for now) on Apr 17, 2021 0:28:51 GMT
Dragsbro, about the toxic. Basically "Toxic" could be defined as any act, or action that consciently or unconsciously harms others. A girl liking Yaoi or X couple is completely fine. But what is not fine is when that girl directly attacks others if they do not share her thoughts about it. And hey, I can talk about Yaoi because I have experience into it (Shonen Ai, actually, I dislike Yaoi), and the plus I'm a guy, and gay. And if I say I do not like BakuDeku, for example, is fine. And if somebody likes it, its fine. Because that all is subjective. So, for me, you can enjoy something if it does not hurt others, just enjoy and let others enjoy as well. Frauds, scamms, and other will be ALWAYS toxic, for obvious reasons. BUT, if a child ends into a toxic behavior that could be justified because the fact that they are children, and are not completely capable of thinking and feeling the things a completely grown adult could.
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Dragsbro
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I'm kind of a necromancer, as in playing with SK is just toying with dead stuff at this point
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Post by Dragsbro on Apr 17, 2021 0:43:32 GMT
A girl liking Yaoi or X couple is completely fine. But what is not fine is when that girl directly attacks others if they do not share her thoughts about it. Yea precisely x) People are quick to jump at each other's throat, and we're getting so used to that that we can also sometime get on the defensive while theres no reason to, is what i meant x) Like, still taking bakudeku for example, i don't like it one bit, but if people do fics or stuff it doesnt concern me in the slightiest And then again, i suppose a minority of ppl can get aggressive with it and then indeed get toxic about it xD
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