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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2021 13:54:30 GMT
Either I'm blind or it's really true that this question hasn't been asked before? Also, I'm not sure if this should be class specific or nah but imma just ask here.
I'm planning to get either 2 ideaus, 2 fiore or 1 ideaus+1 fiore to stick on sbs. Also, my choice of xtals would affect my choice of al crysta too. So which is better in terms of damage:
2 ideaus + union sam --> total +33% atk, 3% crt
2 fiore + ganryuu --> total 26% atk, 17% melee pierce
Or 1 ideaus + 1 fiore (havent decided usam or ganryuu for this combination but doesnt really matter)
Btw my reason for choosing usam only with ideaus is because I'll need to add more agi due to less aspd, which will help me gain the full effects of the al crysta
Appreciate any help. (Or is this whole question stupid? Because i know melee pierce is only more effective on higher def mobs so it really depends)
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Post by NightBreeze on Mar 25, 2021 11:57:00 GMT
Fiore hinete is usually used by snipers to get some aspd in order to get max aspd with lower AGI.
Assassins however have no need for aspd so idk why you'd use it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 12:07:00 GMT
Fiore hinete is usually used by snipers to get some aspd in order to get max aspd with lower AGI. Assassins however have no need for aspd so idk why you'd use it. i was thinking of using for the same reason as snipers. I add just enough agi for max aspd. I usually autoattack with pm grenade while grinding so aspd is important. Also it only has 2% less atk than ideaus and has melee pierce so it's not bad |
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Post by NightBreeze on Mar 25, 2021 12:18:23 GMT
Fiore hinete is usually used by snipers to get some aspd in order to get max aspd with lower AGI. Assassins however have no need for aspd so idk why you'd use it. i was thinking of using for the same reason as snipers. I add just enough agi for max aspd. I usually autoattack with pm grenade while grinding so aspd is important. Also it only has 2% less atk than ideaus and has melee pierce so it's not bad In that case it's a valid option, I guess. But the tipical bs sin build doesn't really have spare points to invest in AGI, you might have to reset your stats when you are done with the leveling. Idk what's your dmg, but I think grinding on some high HP mob could be faster leveling. |
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Post by °Malice° on Mar 25, 2021 12:21:03 GMT
Fiore hinete is usually used by snipers to get some aspd in order to get max aspd with lower AGI. Assassins however have no need for aspd so idk why you'd use it. i was thinking of using for the same reason as snipers. I add just enough agi for max aspd. I usually autoattack with pm grenade while grinding so aspd is important. Also it only has 2% less atk than ideaus and has melee pierce so it's not bad i have backstabbing sin and i use pm grenade only when grinding on normal field (weak monster). If u really wanna go with aspd sin, u should make poison assassin. Evade, poison and dps. Sounds hard to make. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 12:57:34 GMT
i was thinking of using for the same reason as snipers. I add just enough agi for max aspd. I usually autoattack with pm grenade while grinding so aspd is important. Also it only has 2% less atk than ideaus and has melee pierce so it's not bad In that case it's a valid option, I guess. But the tipical bs sin build doesn't really have spare points to invest in AGI, you might have to reset your stats when you are done with the leveling. Idk what's your dmg, but I think grinding on some high HP mob could be faster leveling. Oof i didnt know about not having spare stat points  I'll keep that in mind. Thanks! But rn i have pretty high agi because i added it earlier levels so i need a stefly (f2p player here though...) Btw is the melee pierce important for assassins? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 13:00:49 GMT
i was thinking of using for the same reason as snipers. I add just enough agi for max aspd. I usually autoattack with pm grenade while grinding so aspd is important. Also it only has 2% less atk than ideaus and has melee pierce so it's not bad i have backstabbing sin and i use pm grenade only when grinding on normal field (weak monster). If u really wanna go with aspd sin, u should make poison assassin. Evade, poison and dps. Sounds hard to make. Yeah sounds hard... I dont think I'll be doing that... Usually what i do is get a bunch of mobs chasing me by using aoe, then I'll aim and bs the one with the highest hp and if their hp is low enough, I'll just continue autoattacking. Maybe just using bs would be faster but all my equips are all noup so theyre pretty trash now so my atk isnt that high (wanna sr first before upgrading) |
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Post by °Malice° on Mar 25, 2021 17:45:33 GMT
I think i had calculate how many stat points on one char when he reach lv 405 with maxed apos lvl and they should have around 1617 stat points. U can plan ur stat wisely from here. At cap lvl of 405, max apos lvl of each stat would be 202 thus max value on each stat could be 458.
440 int (for poison)
256 dex (if u dont wanna use -s.d equips, idk if its enuf for venom atk s.d (8sec))
256 crt (i think venom fist, venom dance can be crit, good c.rate)
150 vit
100 points on glb (eva,abs,magic eva)
184 str (for extra raw atk. U can turn this point to another stat.)
And ther u go, u still have 231 stat points left. U can put it on agi, or vit.
Btw cap lvl now is 420. So umm u should be getting more than 1614 stat points at max lvl and apos.
If u wonder how i got these number, its like this
Lv 405 x 3 stat points = 1215
Max lvl apos = lv/2
405/2 = 202 (round up)
202/3 = 67 (round up, u got 1 stat for every 3 lvl)
67*6 kind of stat= 402 stat points
1215 + 402 = 1617
Have fun
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Post by Owe on Mar 26, 2021 1:45:05 GMT
Hey °Malice°, I’m really interested in the stat build you laid out. Why do you think crt should stay at 256 though? Would adding more crt (say 400+) add a significant amount of dmg? If you were looking to max dmg, is max crt worthwhile is pretty much what I’m asking |
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Post by °Malice° on Mar 26, 2021 3:39:56 GMT
Hey °Malice°, I’m really interested in the stat build you laid out. Why do you think crt should stay at 256 though? Would adding more crt (say 400+) add a significant amount of dmg? If you were looking to max dmg, is max crt worthwhile is pretty much what I’m asking cuz c.rate is better than hit for accuracy i guess. Plus for poison assassin they need dps=survival so they can steadily deal dmg. 256 crt just might be right for c.rate, other stat for survival such as agi/vit. The only problem is venom atk need 8 sec s.d for 1 sec spam and some bosses are immune/resistant against poison. Thief garb is a must mean u have low def armor in this build. So i rather stay at 256 crt and spend more in vit/agi. A good skill to combo with this build is deathblow then bs if u dont mind spend mp pots for boss fight or autoatking+skia. |
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Post by Owe on Mar 26, 2021 17:25:33 GMT
Ahhhh I see. I’ve been playing a dmg/poison/evasion hybrid for awhile now, and your stat build looks like pretty much exactly what would recommend for anyone looking to play one. From a bare bones perspective, I’d say you’re probably right about crt but if possible I’d lower dex through equips so then I could up crt. What’s your thoughts on that? Would dmg be higher with higher crt but less atk?
I do have a couple alterations though, mainly with int/str
I was told (haven’t had a stelfy to test yet) that if both int/str are at 320, you can have a 10 second sicarius. IMO that’s what you should go for over a higher initial poison tick because your final poison dmg will be the same no matter if you had 1 int or 500 int. The slight poison dmg increase from higher int isn’t as much as the amount of dmg you can do with an extra 3 or 4 seconds with assault buff.
And dex needs an extra 1 second of skill delay to spam venom fist, but it follows the logic of bs (25 dex= .5 seconds of delay)
Also when deciding your intended Agi, remember you can take off up to 48 points because of the evasion buff (60 if you use the SLV+1 equip)
Thanks for the answer!
Cheers
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Post by °Malice° on Mar 27, 2021 12:32:32 GMT
Ahhhh I see. I’ve been playing a dmg/poison/evasion hybrid for awhile now, and your stat build looks like pretty much exactly what would recommend for anyone looking to play one. From a bare bones perspective, I’d say you’re probably right about crt but if possible I’d lower dex through equips so then I could up crt. What’s your thoughts on that? Would dmg be higher with higher crt but less atk? I do have a couple alterations though, mainly with int/str I was told (haven’t had a stelfy to test yet) that if both int/str are at 320, you can have a 10 second sicarius. IMO that’s what you should go for over a higher initial poison tick because your final poison dmg will be the same no matter if you had 1 int or 500 int. The slight poison dmg increase from higher int isn’t as much as the amount of dmg you can do with an extra 3 or 4 seconds with assault buff. And dex needs an extra 1 second of skill delay to spam venom fist, but it follows the logic of bs (25 dex= .5 seconds of delay) Also when deciding your intended Agi, remember you can take off up to 48 points because of the evasion buff (60 if you use the SLV+1 equip) Thanks for the answer! Cheers if im not mistaken venom atk base poison dmg formula is like a triple of own lv plus int and dex then multiply by skill lvl. For phantom step base poison dmg is like triple of own lv plus dex multiply by 12. I havent test phantom step yet so i cant comfirm if the formula is right. And i think there is some error in venom atk base poison dmg. I tried to follow the formula given. (Lv x 3)+ ((int+dex) x 4)x skill lvl but seems like it more like (Lv x 3)+ ((int+dex) x 2.75(?)) x skill lvl Can u help me calculate ur venom atk base poison dmg with my formula? |
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I'll keep that in mind. Thanks! But rn i have pretty high agi because i added it earlier levels so i need a stefly (f2p player here though...) 