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Post by madlad on Mar 7, 2021 13:50:58 GMT
Swords and Bows are the main builds of Beast Knight but Claws & Special Claws get ignored even though the devs clearly intended for it to be one of BK main weapons, like how Bows are the main weapon of a Sniper and how Claws are the main weapon of Monks, why is that the case? And can it be helped?
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Post by Owe on Mar 7, 2021 22:36:11 GMT
So first thing first, claw bk isn’t bad. But there are reasons sword is more popular, the TL;DR is that it’s simply easier for swords bks to make high dmg and have decent durability.
From a stat build perspective, bks need crt and a bit of dex. A sword bk can fulfill the stat requirements quite easily, just add str and vit but a claw bk would need to add agi to be effective. The main reason to even use a claw bk is for massive absolute/magic evasion, and 256 agi is a required minimum for an evasion build. So a sword bk has 4 stats to worry about whereas a claw bk will have to balance 5. Generally speaking this means that you will have to make a cut either with your hp or dmg, neither are really ideal.
On top of that, the nature of evasion is pretty counterintuitive to a tank. Technically speaking, claw bk does have the higher defensive bonus, but also technically speaking, it can not matter. You can get hit 9 times in a row and die even with the bonus. Comparatively to a sword bk, you start with a base 60% melee r (guard 2+alleviation). And that will ALWAYS work.
Auto attack is also not the most op on bk, because one of their main focus is double attack (bite). You can’t use autoskills like veleno when double attack procs. Makes it kind of not worth it.
All that said... I honestly think claw bks are amongst the top tiers of tanking in the game. Let me take you down the rabbit hole. Back when I played a bk I was able to achieve 80% absolute eva and 80% melee r. This translates to you taking 20% of the total dmg 20% of the time. At 95% res you take 5% of the total dmg 100% of the time. Over 10 hits the 95% res would take 50% dmg (5%x10 hits), but the 80%abs/res would take 40% dmg (20%x2 hits). Beyond that, there is the eva stat that would make you evade even more, so you’ll probably evade 85% or more of all attacks. On top of that bk can inflict fear which improves the effectiveness of the eva stat bringing the total beyond 90% total evasion or more. Finally, the cherry on top... they can make a clone, so you honestly probably will never take direct dmg if you don’t want to.
If you want to make a nice claw bk, it’s very possible and rewarding, I’d highly recommend it, as long as you remember that first and foremost this is a beast KNIGHT and should be treated as such.
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Post by ≧▽≦Pipopapo on Oct 29, 2021 5:03:35 GMT
>Dmg too low compared to Elemental Sword >Best Claw is Sirious Edge II -50% Magic Res >Low Impact Blow Dmg >Not Tanky As Sword >AGI Stat on BK is Trash
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Post by °Malice° on Oct 30, 2021 12:24:36 GMT
Claw - chance to evade by X Sword - always resist by X
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Post by Undyne on Oct 30, 2021 18:03:29 GMT
Claw can become the ultimate tank as Owe said, however the problem is Tanks are irrelevant in the current meta. Tanks need some other utility to the party in terms of buffs .
BK just doesn't have that. So Claw Tank BK, while near unkillable, doesn't do as much dmg, doesn't buff pt dmg significantly, and doesn't even heal.
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Post by Rain on Oct 30, 2021 23:59:16 GMT
Claw can become the ultimate tank as Owe said, however the problem is Tanks are irrelevant in the current meta. Tanks need some other utility to the party in terms of buffs . BK just doesn't have that. So Claw Tank BK, while near unkillable, doesn't do as much dmg, doesn't buff pt dmg significantly, and doesn't even heal. Well, The new fear howl adjustment can now buff the party's dmg, but it requires the enemy to have fear so against bosses with High resist its PIE.
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Post by mike1208 on Nov 12, 2022 2:59:47 GMT
right you PIE morons you idiots are using Al crytsa with magic resistance -?? % and where you dummies are thinking that magic parry does 40-80% reduction which is PIE delusional it does 5% you think that claw is bad only because you are using PIE useless claws such as serious II and having no magic defence or defence but you are after PIE 50k critical damage also how you PIE moron think strength activates bleed when it's done by intelligabce and critical trust me I have done my stats as 256 all accept for AGI which is 449 lastly I have my AL as followed two, leviam, vatendeth, larkas all green shelk is red so I have both evasion and attack oh look NO PIE VIDA OR OTHER BULLSHIT AL WITH MAGIC RESISTANCE -??% ah yes relic crystals I am using are Esien, Owald, Griffiths, then melee+100 also using licht, cuiruass and blast claw which has no magic resistance most are 1s the special is hero bangle but hoping to get strategy ring again most of you morons are using special that has negative stats, PIE can I have your cocacine dealers number please because it must be PIE good stuff.
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Post by °Malice° on Nov 12, 2022 10:19:58 GMT
right you PIE morons you idiots are using Al crytsa with magic resistance -?? % and where you dummies are thinking that magic parry does 40-80% reduction which is PIE delusional it does 5% you think that claw is bad only because you are using PIE useless claws such as serious II and having no magic defence or defence but you are after PIE 50k critical damage also how you PIE moron think strength activates bleed when it's done by intelligabce and critical trust me I have done my stats as 256 all accept for AGI which is 449 lastly I have my AL as followed two, leviam, vatendeth, larkas all green shelk is red so I have both evasion and attack oh look NO PIE VIDA OR OTHER BULLSHIT AL WITH MAGIC RESISTANCE -??% ah yes relic crystals I am using are Esien, Owald, Griffiths, then melee+100 also using licht, cuiruass and blast claw which has no magic resistance most are 1s the special is hero bangle but hoping to get strategy ring again most of you morons are using special that has negative stats, PIE can I have your cocacine dealers number please because it must be PIE good stuff. oke
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