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Post by blackghost on Feb 6, 2021 19:42:54 GMT
But then I looked at the stats of the chainsaw and it says "double atk by chance of attack" and "small interval cut by chance of attack" which means it's has to be a regular attack/auto attack build if I'm not wrong? So What? this sword have triple attack chance but people use it for skill spam instead. Just like my sword Items Hauteclaire [Swords] 📷 ATK: 281 4 Elements, ATK+15% Autoskill+5% Triple attack chance Auto recovery -50% Melee to Fire +15% Melee to Water +15% Melee to Wind +15% Melee to Earth +15% ATK +15% Autoskill +5% Autoskill Auto HP Recovery -50% Auto MP Recovery -50% Notes: Hidden: Attack at probability, Attack at probability * MP consumption at activation or Kloff Pillar or ETC all of them has auto by attack but nobody use it for autoattack build. but auto attack builds can make better use of the interval cut, you see, you can increase aspd but the animation intervals peak at a certain amount of aspd unless you have interval cut equipment, which there aren't many useful ones. The chainsaw obviously has better auto attack uses than skill uses. Even the weapon you're using with its elemental damage, autoskill% would do better for an auto attack/autoskill build. Of course all of this is not saying skill spammers shouldn't use it or it doesn't fit them, I mean, if it works for you just do it. |
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Post by blackghost on Feb 6, 2021 19:45:11 GMT
Even as a paladin I use a genius with melee counter on defense autoskill so I get what you're saying but I think it'd be better off with a gladiator or a build that centers around HP and Counters
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Post by Undyne on Feb 6, 2021 20:30:21 GMT
So What? this sword have triple attack chance but people use it for skill spam instead. Just like my sword Items Hauteclaire [Swords] 📷 ATK: 281 4 Elements, ATK+15% Autoskill+5% Triple attack chance Auto recovery -50% Melee to Fire +15% Melee to Water +15% Melee to Wind +15% Melee to Earth +15% ATK +15% Autoskill +5% Autoskill Auto HP Recovery -50% Auto MP Recovery -50% Notes: Hidden: Attack at probability, Attack at probability * MP consumption at activation or Kloff Pillar or ETC all of them has auto by attack but nobody use it for autoattack build. but auto attack builds can make better use of the interval cut, you see, you can increase aspd but the animation intervals peak at a certain amount of aspd unless you have interval cut equipment, which there aren't many useful ones. The chainsaw obviously has better auto attack uses than skill uses. Even the weapon you're using with its elemental damage, autoskill% would do better for an auto attack/autoskill build. Of course all of this is not saying skill spammers shouldn't use it or it doesn't fit them, I mean, if it works for you just do it. issue is, most classes who can auto attack already have an interval cut which doesn't destroy their dps. And Beast Knight has a very high double attack rate, so the one class that it can really be argued in favor of can't proc it anywhere near reliably. Also Loucura is a thing, so again, better attack interval cut skill. |
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Post by オーゼン on Feb 7, 2021 3:46:21 GMT
So What? this sword have triple attack chance but people use it for skill spam instead. Just like my sword Items Hauteclaire [Swords] 📷 ATK: 281 4 Elements, ATK+15% Autoskill+5% Triple attack chance Auto recovery -50% Melee to Fire +15% Melee to Water +15% Melee to Wind +15% Melee to Earth +15% ATK +15% Autoskill +5% Autoskill Auto HP Recovery -50% Auto MP Recovery -50% Notes: Hidden: Attack at probability, Attack at probability * MP consumption at activation or Kloff Pillar or ETC all of them has auto by attack but nobody use it for autoattack build. but auto attack builds can make better use of the interval cut, you see, you can increase aspd but the animation intervals peak at a certain amount of aspd unless you have interval cut equipment, which there aren't many useful ones. The chainsaw obviously has better auto attack uses than skill uses. Even the weapon you're using with its elemental damage, autoskill% would do better for an auto attack/autoskill build. Of course all of this is not saying skill spammers shouldn't use it or it doesn't fit them, I mean, if it works for you just do it. did u didn't read my other post? huh? attack interval(BUFF) gear like booster, javali bangle, boost ring, and RUIN MOTOR SAW THOSE REDUCE PHISICAL ATTACK, Let me explain Normal Basic attack 16K *interval buff* Normal Basic attack 10k "THATS WHY EVERYBODY THATS USE PHISICAL AUTO BY ATTACK LIKE WYN, RAGUEL, VELENO, OR SIMPLY REGULAR DOUBLE ATTACK NEVER USE THOSE GEAR" ONLY MAGIC AUTO THAT USE THOSE STUFF (U R Enchanter, So u must be Know already!?) "But but but" |
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Post by オーゼン on Feb 7, 2021 3:54:42 GMT
Even as a paladin I use a genius with melee counter on defense autoskill so I get what you're saying but I think it'd be better off with a gladiator or a build that centers around HP and Counters Hp and Counter? Oh my god please, Gladiator got Bloodthirst (Basically Unlimited HP and MP) (AND BASED OF MAX HP and MP) Max HP 50K *Bloodthirst buff* 13K Heal Thats why we "SPAM" skill, not waiting to enemy hit first and counter. If u wanna know about other classes, "experience" it, not only based of "TEORY". |
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Post by Done~with~forums on Feb 9, 2021 0:49:35 GMT
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Ruin Motor Saw II [Swords]
ATK: 320
ATK+11% 物理貫通+14% MaxHP-10% 出血発生+6% ダブルアタックSLv+1 MaxHPが高いほどATKが増加 攻撃時、低確率で攻撃間隔が短縮
ATK +11% Melee Pierce +14% MaxHP -10% Bleed +6% [Y = 0.02 * VIT * 100] If [Y > 600] then [Y = 600] [ATK up by Y] Autoskill
What's going in here I don't understand the issue with this sword it looks good for bk and gladiator
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Post by Done~with~forums on Feb 9, 2021 0:52:01 GMT
Is it actually 600 raw atk with x vit? That would be op
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Post by Done~with~forums on Feb 9, 2021 0:53:14 GMT
Even as a paladin I use a genius with melee counter on defense autoskill so I get what you're saying but I think it'd be better off with a gladiator or a build that centers around HP and Counters Hp and Counter? Oh my god please, Gladiator got Bloodthirst (Basically Unlimited HP and MP) (AND BASED OF MAX HP and MP) Max HP 50K *Bloodthirst buff* 13K Heal Thats why we "SPAM" skill, not waiting to enemy hit first and counter. If u wanna know about other classes, "experience" it, not only based of "TEORY". counter is a big part of a ezperanza user dps 100% more if u are grinding |
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Post by blackghost on Feb 9, 2021 3:32:08 GMT
Even as a paladin I use a genius with melee counter on defense autoskill so I get what you're saying but I think it'd be better off with a gladiator or a build that centers around HP and Counters Hp and Counter? Oh my god please, Gladiator got Bloodthirst (Basically Unlimited HP and MP) (AND BASED OF MAX HP and MP) Max HP 50K *Bloodthirst buff* 13K Heal Thats why we "SPAM" skill, not waiting to enemy hit first and counter. If u wanna know about other classes, "experience" it, not only based of "TEORY". So in other words the +30% HP, 15% melee and magic res as well as rate cut wouldn't help you? That's strange cause as a paladin with 242k-272K HP unbuffed with 60% res, def 1.8k def and 3K mdef I know for a fact that Almas can still do 100k damage. He's not even the only boss that does stupid damage, its in fact a common thing for raid bosses to dish out absurd DMG that 50K HP and 13k heal can't help you. My thick revita does 30k per heal on average. For me a better equip is crystal hammer since I'm a magic paladin. Even if I can make use of the all the stats of a genius sword, I can't make much use of the autoskill tho. For gladiators who are also tanks but have a higher atk they'd make a better use of the melee counter on defense autoskill as well as 30%HP, melee res, rate cut, everything it has to offer. Just like with the chainsaw, in order to draw out its FULL potential, it'd have to be used by a autoattack/ autoskill build. |
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Post by blackghost on Feb 9, 2021 3:43:35 GMT
but auto attack builds can make better use of the interval cut, you see, you can increase aspd but the animation intervals peak at a certain amount of aspd unless you have interval cut equipment, which there aren't many useful ones. The chainsaw obviously has better auto attack uses than skill uses. Even the weapon you're using with its elemental damage, autoskill% would do better for an auto attack/autoskill build. Of course all of this is not saying skill spammers shouldn't use it or it doesn't fit them, I mean, if it works for you just do it. issue is, most classes who can auto attack already have an interval cut which doesn't destroy their dps. And Beast Knight has a very high double attack rate, so the one class that it can really be argued in favor of can't proc it anywhere near reliably. Also Loucura is a thing, so again, better attack interval cut skill. aight you right |
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Post by blackghost on Feb 9, 2021 3:51:09 GMT
but auto attack builds can make better use of the interval cut, you see, you can increase aspd but the animation intervals peak at a certain amount of aspd unless you have interval cut equipment, which there aren't many useful ones. The chainsaw obviously has better auto attack uses than skill uses. Even the weapon you're using with its elemental damage, autoskill% would do better for an auto attack/autoskill build. Of course all of this is not saying skill spammers shouldn't use it or it doesn't fit them, I mean, if it works for you just do it. did u didn't read my other post? huh? attack interval(BUFF) gear like booster, javali bangle, boost ring, and RUIN MOTOR SAW THOSE REDUCE PHISICAL ATTACK, Let me explain Normal Basic attack 16K *interval buff* Normal Basic attack 10k "THATS WHY EVERYBODY THATS USE PHISICAL AUTO BY ATTACK LIKE WYN, RAGUEL, VELENO, OR SIMPLY REGULAR DOUBLE ATTACK NEVER USE THOSE GEAR" ONLY MAGIC AUTO THAT USE THOSE STUFF (U R Enchanter, So u must be Know already!?) "But but but" you're right, you're right. No need to get salty about it. I guess it's good for enchanters then. Just drop a suitable autoskill crysta on it and its set for greatness. I do agree with you on Experiencing it instead of theorizing it. So I'm gonna make one later and test it out. |
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Post by °Malice° on Feb 9, 2021 5:12:59 GMT
Idk if anybody already tell the amount of vit needed for this sword. So i would guess 250+ vit
0.02*250*100= 500
Basically with 250 vit u got 500 atk, double amount of ur vit which i think its a great sword with a trade of ur vit to atk.
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Post by オーゼン on Feb 9, 2021 5:26:00 GMT
Hp and Counter? Oh my god please, Gladiator got Bloodthirst (Basically Unlimited HP and MP) (AND BASED OF MAX HP and MP) Max HP 50K *Bloodthirst buff* 13K Heal Thats why we "SPAM" skill, not waiting to enemy hit first and counter. If u wanna know about other classes, "experience" it, not only based of "TEORY". So in other words the +30% HP, 15% melee and magic res as well as rate cut wouldn't help you? That's strange cause as a paladin with 242k-272K HP unbuffed with 60% res, def 1.8k def and 3K mdef I know for a fact that Almas can still do 100k damage. He's not even the only boss that does stupid damage, its in fact a common thing for raid bosses to dish out absurd DMG that 50K HP and 13k heal can't help you. My thick revita does 30k per heal on average. For me a better equip is crystal hammer since I'm a magic paladin. Even if I can make use of the all the stats of a genius sword, I can't make much use of the autoskill tho. For gladiators who are also tanks but have a higher atk they'd make a better use of the melee counter on defense autoskill as well as 30%HP, melee res, rate cut, everything it has to offer. Just like with the chainsaw, in order to draw out its FULL potential, it'd have to be used by a autoattack/ autoskill build. "13K Hp can't help you" if you never use glad don't talk about it like you know it. with bloodthirst and high hp i can heal 13k every 3 per 5 skill spam and 100k boss hit? with high resist and rate cut it can easily downgrade it. AND YOU KNOW WHAT? WE CAN USE THICK REVITA TOO! IT REALLY HELP ON BOSS FIGHT! AND MQ! WE GOT SOLID SKIN! IT HALVED DAMAGE TAKEN AND GLADIATOR HAVE EVASION TOO! so if almas (amatis or other boss) 100k mustache hit me it already downgrade to 50k bellow. "DRAW OUT ITS FULL POTENTIAL" oh please what POTENTIAL? "ATTACK INTERVAL THAT HALVED SPEED AND LOWER OUR ATTACK TOO?" IMAGINE LIKE THIS BEFORE INTERVAL HALF 15K BASIC ATTACK 20K ADDITIONAL ATTACK 20K ADDITIONAL ATTACK 20K ADDITIONAL ATTACK AFTER INTERVAL HALF 10K BASIC ATTACK 14K ADDITIONAL ATTACK 14K ADDITIONAL ATTACK 14K ADDITIONAL ATTACK THATS WHY KNIGHT BRANCH DON'T USE ATTACK INTERVAL STUFF BECAUSE IT LOWER THEIR DPS GLADIATOR GOT BERSERKER AND TEMPEST BEAST KNIGHT GOT BERSERKER AND LOUCURA PALLADIN GOT BERSEKER EVEN SNIPER GOT FAST SHOT AND "FULL POTENTIAL" STUFF AGAIN? YOU KNOW ◇INILIBA? Damage cut chance by defense ATK&MATK+10% on Armor (Consumes autoskill) TO RELEASE "THE FULL POTENTIAL" IT ONLY FOR ARMOUR BUT EVERYONE PUT IT TO EVERYTHINGS ANYWAYS GENIUS INILIBA BOO INILIBA LUCIOSCUDO INILIBA CATURA INILIBA |
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Post by blackghost on Feb 10, 2021 4:14:51 GMT
So in other words the +30% HP, 15% melee and magic res as well as rate cut wouldn't help you? That's strange cause as a paladin with 242k-272K HP unbuffed with 60% res, def 1.8k def and 3K mdef I know for a fact that Almas can still do 100k damage. He's not even the only boss that does stupid damage, its in fact a common thing for raid bosses to dish out absurd DMG that 50K HP and 13k heal can't help you. My thick revita does 30k per heal on average. For me a better equip is crystal hammer since I'm a magic paladin. Even if I can make use of the all the stats of a genius sword, I can't make much use of the autoskill tho. For gladiators who are also tanks but have a higher atk they'd make a better use of the melee counter on defense autoskill as well as 30%HP, melee res, rate cut, everything it has to offer. Just like with the chainsaw, in order to draw out its FULL potential, it'd have to be used by a autoattack/ autoskill build. "13K Hp can't help you" if you never use glad don't talk about it like you know it. with bloodthirst and high hp i can heal 13k every 3 per 5 skill spam and 100k boss hit? with high resist and rate cut it can easily downgrade it. AND YOU KNOW WHAT? WE CAN USE THICK REVITA TOO! IT REALLY HELP ON BOSS FIGHT! AND MQ! WE GOT SOLID SKIN! IT HALVED DAMAGE TAKEN AND GLADIATOR HAVE EVASION TOO! so if almas (amatis or other boss) 100k mustache hit me it already downgrade to 50k bellow. "DRAW OUT ITS FULL POTENTIAL" oh please what POTENTIAL? "ATTACK INTERVAL THAT HALVED SPEED AND LOWER OUR ATTACK TOO?" IMAGINE LIKE THIS BEFORE INTERVAL HALF 15K BASIC ATTACK 20K ADDITIONAL ATTACK 20K ADDITIONAL ATTACK 20K ADDITIONAL ATTACK AFTER INTERVAL HALF 10K BASIC ATTACK 14K ADDITIONAL ATTACK 14K ADDITIONAL ATTACK 14K ADDITIONAL ATTACK THATS WHY KNIGHT BRANCH DON'T USE ATTACK INTERVAL STUFF BECAUSE IT LOWER THEIR DPS GLADIATOR GOT BERSERKER AND TEMPEST BEAST KNIGHT GOT BERSERKER AND LOUCURA PALLADIN GOT BERSEKER EVEN SNIPER GOT FAST SHOT AND "FULL POTENTIAL" STUFF AGAIN? YOU KNOW ◇INILIBA? Damage cut chance by defense ATK&MATK+10% on Armor (Consumes autoskill) TO RELEASE "THE FULL POTENTIAL" IT ONLY FOR ARMOUR BUT EVERYONE PUT IT TO EVERYTHINGS ANYWAYS GENIUS INILIBA BOO INILIBA LUCIOSCUDO INILIBA CATURA INILIBA Do you think a gladiator with 50K HP can tank a hit better than a paladin? Even if I went full res equips going from 60% to 95% that hit would still do up 70k-40k damage. There are paladins that use full res equips and still get 40k dmg from lvl400 sauro but you think 50k HP with a 13k heal per skill spam can help you? You're half tank half DPS, know your place (Reading back I see how that last sentence could offend you, I apologize if it did but that's probably the only way I can think of to get across what I'm trying to say). Even if you manage to tank the hit you'd be left with 10k HP if you have the same lvl of all around defenses, which you probably don't since you're a balanced hybrid class of sorts. If your HP and MP heal is dependent on your max HP and MP then more HP a the better, with a combination of res equips you'll do even better, which is why the genius sword that balances both tanking and attack would benefit you better than me. Btw, I'm not trying to pretend to be anything other than a tank, which we both are, which is what we're talking about: Tanking hits (or at least its a related topic). And my hypothesis that the genius sword can do better on you is ONLY based on the fact that you likely have higher overall DMG than me, which is correct right? The stats of the genius sword not only has the stats perfect for tanking but for you who has more damage would make a better use of the counter on defense auto skill than I could ever as well as the atk stat bonus it gets from a myrica being a special sword and all. My overall point still remains that a class that can draw out the full potential would be one that can make use of ALL of it. I think I already said this but you're right that the chainsaw wouldn't be good for the common auto attack builds but its still good for autoskill auto attack builds that can make better use of the interval cut, like a tank enchanter that can make use of the atk up by vit, melee pierce, (btw enchanters are part of the magic branch but can harness both magic and melee attacks). |
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Post by blackghost on Feb 10, 2021 4:58:52 GMT
Also: when I say, something is "better" I'm only making a comparative assessment. I'm not saying "Only *insert class* should use *insert item*" in my opinion I say do whatever works for you. I'm just sharing my own assessment on the topic, not trying to instate martial law like I think I'm some iruna developer.
I hope this clears up the misunderstanding you have of me.
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