オーゼン
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I have tried all job, do research all over, resetting char over 99x, and i know i need more luck.
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Post by オーゼン on Feb 4, 2021 3:46:43 GMT
Ruin Motor Saw [Swords] ATK: 288 ATK +6%, Melee pierce +12% MaxHP -10% Bleed chance +6% Double attack SLv+1 ATK up based on MaxHP. Shortens attack interval at low probability rate by attack. ATK +6% Melee Pierce +12% MaxHP -10% Bleed +6% [Y = 0.02 * VIT * 100] If [Y > 500] then [Y = 500] [ATK up by Y] Autoskill I think this sword better for us knight branch especially player who got high vit BUT Test: Ruin Motor Saw II Chain Mail ns hachigane ns no spec Before app.photobucket.com/u/OzenTheImmovable/p/91de55e9-fa57-4c3a-bb7b-d27804567792After add 5 Vit app.photobucket.com/u/OzenTheImmovable/p/90d2a210-8f3a-4c86-8e1b-9dc571d27125The attack increase just 4 per 5 Vit 1538→1542 So the calculation bellow must be wrong because if i put 5 Vit [Y = 0.02 * VIT * 100] [Y = 0.02 * 5 * 100] [Y = 10] ✘ but this is the right one Y = VIT * 0.8 Y = 5 * 0.8 Y = 4 ✔
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Post by blackghost on Feb 4, 2021 5:06:49 GMT
I think you mean for tank beast knights. This shortens attack intervals so its bad for skill spammers. Gladiators fight with counter tactics if I remember right so they might be also suited since they also have high VIT. Basically its good for tank centred auto attack builds.
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オーゼン
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I have tried all job, do research all over, resetting char over 99x, and i know i need more luck.
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Post by オーゼン on Feb 4, 2021 12:12:50 GMT
I think you mean for tank beast knights. This shortens attack intervals so its bad for skill spammers. Gladiators fight with counter tactics if I remember right so they might be also suited since they also have high VIT. Basically its good for tank centred auto attack builds. auto attack off/on setting. these day everyone do skill spam, even beast knight (except enchanter, and monk of course). because basically autoattack can't handle ailments, paral, blind, fear. and i just tell for maybe someone outthere, low level knight branch who wanna survive thing solo but don't wanna use special sword (or need crt stat)
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Post by Aza on Feb 4, 2021 14:15:40 GMT
Looks good for BK. The atk interval thing can be turned off if you proc DA/Bite 100%.
Loucura BK is often bullied, because people think it's low damage, low heal and 'Why don't you become monk instead?'. Or maybe this sword could be used by skill spammer? It never crosses my mind, I always believe elemental sword is better. Since battle mastery gives flat atk too, flat atk from equipment become less effective. But Idk because I never tried.
I wonder if the auto-atk dmg cut given by the autoskill will interfere with loucura 🤔. Iirc loucura also gives atk interval cut and lower auto-atk dmg in exchange for increased ATK stat and additional heal by atk.
I aimed for this when I still have my BK ngl, just for collection. But I turned him to PF instead because I need ultimi farmer. My BK can't 1-hit Oritius yet at that time 😅
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Post by blackghost on Feb 4, 2021 20:08:40 GMT
I think you mean for tank beast knights. This shortens attack intervals so its bad for skill spammers. Gladiators fight with counter tactics if I remember right so they might be also suited since they also have high VIT. Basically its good for tank centred auto attack builds. auto attack off/on setting. these day everyone do skill spam, even beast knight (except enchanter, and monk of course). because basically autoattack can't handle ailments, paral, blind, fear. and i just tell for maybe someone outthere, low level knight branch who wanna survive thing solo but don't wanna use special sword (or need crt stat) this sword basically give 2 atk/vit 250 vit = 500 atk (at lvl 84 can already use this sword) and, did you guys love flat attack? (ror, disaster stone, nigdu, etc) and i think this site need discuss things more, like old time, when literally 3 tread only talk about same thing (wyn, raguel, veleno, boo, monty, etc) but auto attack is just as convenient. You can just use an ailment cure while auto attacking. Also, autoskill builds aren't that unseen. Auto Samurai for example.
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オーゼン
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I have tried all job, do research all over, resetting char over 99x, and i know i need more luck.
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Post by オーゼン on Feb 5, 2021 2:17:49 GMT
auto attack off/on setting. these day everyone do skill spam, even beast knight (except enchanter, and monk of course). because basically autoattack can't handle ailments, paral, blind, fear. and i just tell for maybe someone outthere, low level knight branch who wanna survive thing solo but don't wanna use special sword (or need crt stat) this sword basically give 2 atk/vit 250 vit = 500 atk (at lvl 84 can already use this sword) and, did you guys love flat attack? (ror, disaster stone, nigdu, etc) and i think this site need discuss things more, like old time, when literally 3 tread only talk about same thing (wyn, raguel, veleno, boo, monty, etc) but auto attack is just as convenient. You can just use an ailment cure while auto attacking. Also, autoskill builds aren't that unseen. Auto Samurai for example. yeah but these day many boss ailments that you can't cure. Ziddu, Niapa, etc and many boss with all buff depleted, like "you can't paralize me, i got vacine" boss be like, "no if i spam it. haha." or like this "prepare done, buff done, vacine done, lets go killing boss" boss be like "by the power of sauro and almas, all buff begone".
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Post by blackghost on Feb 5, 2021 4:04:30 GMT
but auto attack is just as convenient. You can just use an ailment cure while auto attacking. Also, autoskill builds aren't that unseen. Auto Samurai for example. yeah but these day many boss ailments that you can't cure. Ziddu, Niapa, etc and many boss with all buff depleted, like "you can't paralize me, i got vacine" boss be like, "no if i spam it. haha." or like this "prepare done, buff done, vacine done, lets go killing boss" boss be like "by the power of sauro and almas, all buff begone". tHeN JuSt ReAcTiVaTe ThE cUrE B R U H but fr tho, for an auto attack build reactivating the vaccine while attacking is easy, I mean, AUTO ATTACK IS AUTOMATIC. And I guess nothing can be done for the ones that can't be cured like fear or dizziness.
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オーゼン
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I have tried all job, do research all over, resetting char over 99x, and i know i need more luck.
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Post by オーゼン on Feb 5, 2021 5:19:39 GMT
yeah but these day many boss ailments that you can't cure. Ziddu, Niapa, etc and many boss with all buff depleted, like "you can't paralize me, i got vacine" boss be like, "no if i spam it. haha." or like this "prepare done, buff done, vacine done, lets go killing boss" boss be like "by the power of sauro and almas, all buff begone". tHeN JuSt ReAcTiVaTe ThE cUrE B R U H but fr tho, for an auto attack build reactivating the vaccine while attacking is easy, I mean, AUTO ATTACK IS AUTOMATIC. And I guess nothing can be done for the ones that can't be cured like fear or dizziness. yeah mostly you is right but mostly of autoattackers have middle-low hp imagine when blinded by ziddu, you will use vacine blind but ziddu will spam it, and you can't heal your self by hcb, ssf, or bite, because no hit = no damage = no absorb proc. and then you realize "well i can spam heal" yes and now, its bad combo, rush, heal, vaccine, blind again, miss, vaccine, hit, blind again, vaccine, heal, and... but we the spammer "mostly" doesn't need blind and paralyz vaccine because skill 100% will hit the target, and for hp, mp, we can use recovery. and autoattack is not autoattack, just like samu, need to switch mp set, auto set, knight, berserk that use all mp (and both sd and item delay) or loucura that only 10 sec buff. for me spammer is better even with 100 lvl boss difference (player 280 boss 380) i can solo all the boss even with cheap resist set.
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オーゼン
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I have tried all job, do research all over, resetting char over 99x, and i know i need more luck.
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Post by オーゼン on Feb 5, 2021 14:34:08 GMT
"This shortens attack intervals so its bad for skill spammers"
for future reader, there setting option that can autoattack on/off (2018) "i think that man above his information still not yet updated"
right now every class can use agility (or attackspeed +% gear) stat point without worry about autoattack intervene in middle of spamming skill.
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Post by blackghost on Feb 5, 2021 19:56:34 GMT
tHeN JuSt ReAcTiVaTe ThE cUrE B R U H but fr tho, for an auto attack build reactivating the vaccine while attacking is easy, I mean, AUTO ATTACK IS AUTOMATIC. And I guess nothing can be done for the ones that can't be cured like fear or dizziness. yeah mostly you is right but mostly of autoattackers have middle-low hp imagine when blinded by ziddu, you will use vacine blind but ziddu will spam it, and you can't heal your self by hcb, ssf, or bite, because no hit = no damage = no absorb proc. and then you realize "well i can spam heal" yes and now, its bad combo, rush, heal, vaccine, blind again, miss, vaccine, hit, blind again, vaccine, heal, and... but we the spammer "mostly" doesn't need blind and paralyz vaccine because skill 100% will hit the target, and for hp, mp, we can use recovery. and autoattack is not autoattack, just like samu, need to switch mp set, auto set, knight, berserk that use all mp (and both sd and item delay) or loucura that only 10 sec buff. for me spammer is better even with 100 lvl boss difference (player 280 boss 380) i can solo all the boss even with cheap resist set. I said vaccine not antidote. Vaccine cures every 5 seconds. pls clarify what you mean when you said "autoattack is not autoattack" it has that "I won't die even if you kill me vibe" but you seem sensible. Also not all auto attack builds have ailment problems or mp problems. (Enchanter is a perfect example).
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Post by blackghost on Feb 5, 2021 20:01:28 GMT
"This shortens attack intervals so its bad for skill spammers" for future reader, there setting option that can autoattack on/off (2018) "i think that man above his information still not yet updated" right now every class can use agility (or attackspeed +% gear) stat point without worry about autoattack intervene in middle of spamming skill. you're right. But as you know people tend to alternate between sets, even skill spammers. Most famous sets like bot PM grenade set or immortal set is a a staple food for most players cause these sets are mainly for farming. So depending on the class and build a person would switch between auto attack and fixed attack EVERY TIME THEY WANT TO SWITCH. Its hella inconvenient. Tho they still can just turn it off or on so you're still right.
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オーゼン
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I have tried all job, do research all over, resetting char over 99x, and i know i need more luck.
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Post by オーゼン on Feb 5, 2021 20:03:34 GMT
yeah mostly you is right but mostly of autoattackers have middle-low hp imagine when blinded by ziddu, you will use vacine blind but ziddu will spam it, and you can't heal your self by hcb, ssf, or bite, because no hit = no damage = no absorb proc. and then you realize "well i can spam heal" yes and now, its bad combo, rush, heal, vaccine, blind again, miss, vaccine, hit, blind again, vaccine, heal, and... but we the spammer "mostly" doesn't need blind and paralyz vaccine because skill 100% will hit the target, and for hp, mp, we can use recovery. and autoattack is not autoattack, just like samu, need to switch mp set, auto set, knight, berserk that use all mp (and both sd and item delay) or loucura that only 10 sec buff. for me spammer is better even with 100 lvl boss difference (player 280 boss 380) i can solo all the boss even with cheap resist set. I said vaccine not antidote. Vaccine cures every 5 seconds. pls clarify what you mean when you said "autoattack is not autoattack" it has that "I won't die even if you kill me vibe" but you seem sensible. Also not all auto attack builds have ailment problems or mp problems. (Enchanter is a perfect example). yeah because enchanter is the autoattack class with ilnes hit, but other don't. "Thats why" i said most of class use Skill instead of "Autoattack". Auto attack servant? snead claw bish? Loucra Beast Knight? Lebenglanz Paladin? Gladiator Berserk? All of them suffer low dps and bad combo. Not like your " Perfect Example"
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Post by blackghost on Feb 5, 2021 20:04:11 GMT
But then I looked at the stats of the chainsaw and it says "double atk by chance of attack" and "small interval cut by chance of attack" which means it's has to be a regular attack/auto attack build if I'm not wrong?
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オーゼン
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I have tried all job, do research all over, resetting char over 99x, and i know i need more luck.
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Post by オーゼン on Feb 5, 2021 20:10:49 GMT
But then I looked at the stats of the chainsaw and it says "double atk by chance of attack" and "small interval cut by chance of attack" which means it's has to be a regular attack/auto attack build if I'm not wrong? So What? this sword have triple attack chance but people use it for skill spam instead. Just like my sword Items Hauteclaire [Swords] 📷 ATK: 281 4 Elements, ATK+15% Autoskill+5% Triple attack chance Auto recovery -50% Melee to Fire +15% Melee to Water +15% Melee to Wind +15% Melee to Earth +15% ATK +15% Autoskill +5% Autoskill Auto HP Recovery -50% Auto MP Recovery -50% Notes: Hidden: Attack at probability, Attack at probability * MP consumption at activation or Kloff Pillar or ETC all of them has auto by attack but nobody use it for autoattack build.
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オーゼン
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I have tried all job, do research all over, resetting char over 99x, and i know i need more luck.
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Post by オーゼン on Feb 5, 2021 20:12:40 GMT
and "Small interval cut" cut autoattacker dps, "THATS WHY" nobody use booster additional or javali bangle except for people use magic autoattack like dajarte etc etc.
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