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Post by rolling on Nov 2, 2020 9:07:19 GMT
Your build seems alright, but you should definitely invest more into VIT if you wanna kill some hard bosses, also I don't understand why you would use 100BL, Cyan lines and Parazaia Al. ATK affects your summons more than MATK does and also you can consider changing Arelta to Monty, since Monty 2s wins over my Karonamuska 2s and it has even more ATK and MATK than Arelta does. About your Autoskill build, you get 30% autoskill from gear (although I think its better to use Frederico on weapon) then I would guess about 15% from Al's and I don't think its anywhere near enough to proc 3 Dajartes, and It's just no way this can be better for killing weak mobs than just getting out 3 baby wolves and making them use Skill 3 on mob. Anyways I think you should find something more easy to proc then take something out of your gear and add something with "Halves attack intervals". I also use Coward Blade Dajarte. But it has less Autoskill. I know that Summoned creatures do a better job, but I do not want to be so dependent on them. I'm investing in more Vit, but I'm still being 358, so I need more stat points. I went using Cyan and Blue Lines because it stills give MATK, and some MP Regeneration. Arelta because its Atk, Matk, Mp Recovery, and HP. I like that it is balanced. While Yellow only ATK and other useless stats (For us) aside it. I want my Summoner to be balanced and that he does not rely too much on Mp Pots. At the moment it works well for me. Why play summoner then? It's the whole point to be dependent on summons and if you don't want to be entirely dependent on them just get tank set and tank for them or something. To be honest I thought u do it only because there's a bug where when you kill enemy they will spawn somewhere in air and you're not able to target then and just to avoid that. I'm sorry to say that but MaxMP, HP and MP regeneration are completely useless because most of your skills and summon skills all depend on your MaxMP even the MP drain when you are in combat and Regeneration works only if you don't do anything so you enter boss and just watch your summons kill it, that makes you even more dependent on summons and in general MP regeneration sucks because it decreases with each summon summoned, MP pots just heal way more. I personally use Thick Revita (M) and Thick Remagic (M) (Thick Revita (L) for sauro450). And they are like VERY easy to get. Try going to Reoctove and check merchants Synthesis. It asks you for 3 mats and will give you 15 stacks of potions for just 1 stack of each mat. Materials needed: Binal (M) - There's quest in Oltoga Village where you asked to kill 30 Mono and it gives you 20 Binal (M) (So 5 quests will make it stack and don't do 99 kills it gives you Binal (L)). Medical Herb - Uncommon drop from MANY different mobs. Revita/Remagic (XL) - Reoctove merchant sells these. Hope you will never have an issue with MP pots. (If I play actively I usually waste them pretty fast but they do the job way better than MP regeneration)
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Post by Nobody (Retired for now) on Nov 2, 2020 10:35:15 GMT
When I'm in boss fight, I usually stand without doing anything.
Or set 2 Farfies and 1 Caith Sit and spam Mana Drain.
But when I farm weak enemies I use my Auto set.
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Post by rolling on Nov 2, 2020 11:01:31 GMT
When I'm in boss fight, I usually stand without doing anything. Or set 2 Farfies and 1 Caith Sit and spam Mana Drain. But when I farm weak enemies I use my Auto set. That's what I said, you play too much depending on summons, and stating that you made a set to not be that much dependent but there's just no reason to use it to farm mobs since summons just do it better and if you just have something against summons killing mobs for you, PM Grenade would do the job way better. Yeah, get off your habit to not do anything in a fight with a boss It's not helpful, just lets you restore some MP. Even against simple bosses I use multiple sets for different stuff just because Its helpful and lets you achieve way more. You can see I use 4 sets just against Lian who I could kill with 1 set easily.
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Post by Nobody (Retired for now) on Nov 2, 2020 20:50:44 GMT
Well, I do know that having multiple sets for different purposes might be really useful.
But simply I do not want to spend too much time, effort and spina on an uncomplete Job like Summoner.
When we get new skills I could really get stuff for using them better in a future.
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Post by โชSumire on Nov 3, 2020 4:47:29 GMT
recommends using another class xD
u can still be summon reliant without having multiple sets even just ur summoning set is enough curacion sets and stuffs are for easier handling but those are for the extra milestones ull want to achieve
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Post by rolling on Nov 3, 2020 6:50:50 GMT
recommends using another class xD u can still be summon reliant without having multiple sets even just ur summoning set is enough curacion sets and stuffs are for easier handling but those are for the extra milestones ull want to achieve What's the point of playing the class if you don't aim for achieving anything? I'm just trying to say that summoner class isn't as useless as everyone thinks but people just make it look useless and then say "Summoner solo class never can find party hurdurdur" and that's just bullsht I find parties all the time but I at least can be somewhat of a useful party member. But no let's remember that there's no new summoner skills meaning lets stop trying achieving anything. Do you go to like other people and tell them "oh you use multiple sets to kill solo Joshuca on your bishop? LOOOL imagine achieving anything." I'm saying that only because summoner works really bad in later stages of the game as everyone thinks you must play solo and then your summons getting one/two shotted (you can deal with later stages of the game by getting higher level but its not the same for summoner) with just summoning set and I this guide to help someone who is interested in playing this class as their main and not like "oh I have all other classes who can get job done better" and you can just change a lot of stuff just by getting some trash 1 slot gear with cheap Crystas It's really not that hard. And I always recommend to people using other class if its their main because everything that summoner is good at, is solo grinding.
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Post by Done~with~forums on Nov 3, 2020 17:29:09 GMT
Honestly summoner is meh atm we shouldn't even make gear/stat/etc etc guide till 3 years when the new skills come out lol My take on summoner Step 1:Use a bow Step 2:be high lvl Step 3:there is no step 3 My summoner with max vit and max agi on normal bow build can hit 300k+ per Summon even with ns gear as long as u use a bow and are high lvl summons will do dmg 
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Post by Done~with~forums on Nov 3, 2020 17:52:11 GMT
Not saying we shouldn't discuss what effects the skills and or summons but that we shouldn't make players feeltrapped by the builds we put out on an unfinished class that could change in the future and free to play players will be stuck and trying luck on boxes
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Post by rolling on Nov 3, 2020 18:06:47 GMT
Honestly summoner is meh atm we shouldn't even make gear/stat/etc etc guide till 3 years when the new skills come out lol My take on summoner Step 1:Use a bow Step 2:be high lvl Step 3:there is no step 3 My summoner with max vit and max agi on normal bow build can hit 300k+ per Summon even with ns gear as long as u use a bow and are high lvl summons will do dmg Ok, and you're just wrong, summoner is meh but with normal stats you could be hitting 1m+ per summon and about 700k+ per summon if you want it to be effortless. Also it doesn't look like you care about what bow to use so I'd recommend you to try out the Delusion Icebow considering that it has high base ATK and gives DEX based on DEX (92 DEX at 461 DEX) and just bunch of movement speed and your summons don't lose damage against water element. If class isn't complete just do it yourself since there's nothing to do except grinding with it. Class exists as it is and it is playable but its for you to choose what you want to do with it I'm just showing people stuff that could help them the same way it helps me. I kind of agree on the step 1 and step 2 since I have killed Anubites Lv.406 with slingshot, leather coat, arm hat, no spec and all ns but its not like you gonna just kill every boss by having a bow and levels. lol Edit: Also you said that people shouldn't feel trapped by the builds hurdurdur. But please answer me, why the hell there's SO MANY High Wizards (worst class) in the game but nobody making it good with any builds even if its a finished class and even have gears that gives SLv+?
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Post by Done~with~forums on Nov 4, 2020 1:48:56 GMT
Hw is a dps class in my eyes and everyone is trying to make it a DoT class and the worst class in game is Adventure I don't wana ruin your thread with us going back and forth so you u wana talk Hw builds i can give you one in private msg
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Post by Nobody (Retired for now) on Nov 4, 2020 1:57:46 GMT
I'm fine with the way you use Summoner. But my problem is when other people say that there is a "Correct" way of using the class or building it.
For me the "correct" way depends on what works for you as a player.
If you want to use a Special Bow, a Magic Bow, or Normal Bow it's fine if it gives your Summoner an specific adventage.
Not all is having an High DPS or 30 sets.
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Post by Nobody (Retired for now) on Nov 4, 2020 2:01:23 GMT
An error: My Summoner uses 108 Vit, not 50 XD I'd like to reach 150 Vit and keep investing on Str, Dex and Int.
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Post by rolling on Nov 4, 2020 8:31:26 GMT
Oh, yes of course let's not forget that you also need power of God and Anime by your side to play correctly.
Games doesn't work that way, you're trying to say that correct way of playing is subjective but its just not, you're not wrong saying that "correct way depends on WHAT WORKS" but try looking at the game as it was competitive game and you would want to be amongst the best, would you still use your just summoning build and try to become better player than other just summoning set users? Summoner is so bad just as it is so why not just make it at least playable by adding some sets that would ultimately would just help you, it doesn't fuckin hurt you from having multiple sets of one slotted items.
Correct way of playing is overall finding the most efficient playstyle no matter if it fits you or no, as you can just delete your character and make another class, and I don't care if someone has their working build when its just not good, you see stuff that's working can be working badly or can be working perfectly, overall you should seek perfect playstyle, like if for example Enchanter has high DPS but if you fail your combo often nobody will want to party with you, yes okay its not all about gear sets but there's not really much skill you need for summoner and if you master your summoner out and it still doesn't work so good, then maybe all you need is some PIE trash 1 slot gear that will impact your gameplay.
Adventurer is not a class and shouldn't even be in a consideration, and I don't care about High Wizard builds but if you have something that's no cap working then just tell other people so we could have normal High Wizards in the game (you obviously don't because High Wizard is bad because Asobimo want's it to be bad, not because players can't build it correctly)
Summoner is playable and a pretty good class people just refuse to aim for becoming a better.
I'm losing my braincells from reading all this, anyways could you tell me overall what bosses/mobs you farm as I personally would invest into more VIT as later stages of the game kind of hurts.
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Post by Done~with~forums on Nov 4, 2020 13:04:40 GMT
Can you list reasons why hw is bad ?
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Post by rolling on Nov 12, 2020 20:29:43 GMT
Can you list reasons why hw is bad ? The fact that you asking this made me realize that you just in love with the class and wont look at things objectively. It has low dps and survivability.
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