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Post by Pixie on Oct 26, 2020 19:53:20 GMT
I see everyone adding hp to farm new bosses, but say you don't really wanna do that and just farm the oth3r bosses or maybe pt people for newer bosses. Is agi builds still good with claws and breezy or nah? (Im currently throw build with 4k hp and no evasion just kinda lame that I have to 1 hit things in order to farm them without having a button spamming spasm)
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Post by ShaDH04 on Oct 26, 2020 21:35:05 GMT
I can say from personal experience that AGI claw builds are still good, but I can also say from personal experience that it was depressing the amount of bosses I couldnt do because I didn't have HP. Just be conscious of the drawbacks if you really refuse to use VIT.
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Post by godofafro on Oct 27, 2020 0:42:49 GMT
I think you can last up to...ep5ish if your character goes vitless.
Ep6 is the territory where asobimo says screw it lets make everything in there hit hard, even a colon there wacks u for 5k dmg, a boss averages 20-30k.
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Post by Pixie on Oct 27, 2020 0:43:27 GMT
I can say from personal experience that AGI claw builds are still good, but I can also say from personal experience that it was depressing the amount of bosses I couldnt do because I didn't have HP. Just be conscious of the drawbacks if you really refuse to use VIT. Im starting to wonder how people do those bosses at all. In a pt I always get targeted so would always need a servant in the pt >_> The hp switch for mp is horried. Unlike magic ninja that can do continous damage while sustaining mp, ninjas damage has to stop. Which means you would also need a mins -_- being a melee ninja is way to taxing. On top of that doing a full equipment change with macros takes about 3 seconds. So by the time u can attack again the mp charge is almost done. |
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Post by godofafro on Oct 27, 2020 1:20:38 GMT
they did it due to high absolute/magic evasion, and or more importantly, the ability to kite bosses, so that they can't reach the player with their attacks
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Post by Pixie on Oct 27, 2020 2:34:34 GMT
they did it due to high absolute/magic evasion, and or more importantly, the ability to kite bosses, so that they can't reach the player with their attacks So options are disable set high vit or burst dmg die constantly and lose out on drops xD In even this aspect magic ninja is still superior as they dont even need clones to cast magic and dango cures a lot of mp because high mp pool. Which means they can grind without having to even worry about domination. You can still kit with makabishi and the spells take a minimal amout of mp to use. |
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Post by Pixie on Oct 27, 2020 3:39:14 GMT
My personal opinion is, I really think they need to extend the mp recovery time for desperate move to like 2minutes at least. There is no way to use it effectively with a 3 second timer unless they are using speed hacks.
At least doing that you would have time to cast desperate move, switch to a delay set cast phantom flame, reclone and attack or
just increase it to a minute and let us reclone with -hp set and get phantom, or
get rid of the need for -hp set all together
It would decrease your dmg output significantly but at least you can do what they designed the character to do. Its like they made a sin with no dmg buffs and even worse mp management.
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Post by Pixie on Oct 27, 2020 6:10:50 GMT
They could even just use the clones as dmg reduction instead of complete damage avoidance if they wanted people to use hp.
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Post by ShaDH04 on Oct 27, 2020 17:07:41 GMT
I personally think the days of recloning with a -hp set are gone. I find recloning with Yin repeatedly much safer overall (that is if you time it right). PF Ninjas dont have as large of an MP pool as Magic Ninjas but Dangos still help in keeping MP up.
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Post by Pixie on Oct 27, 2020 21:12:35 GMT
I personally think the days of recloning with a -hp set are gone. I find recloning with Yin repeatedly much safer overall (that is if you time it right). PF Ninjas dont have as large of an MP pool as Magic Ninjas but Dangos still help in keeping MP up. Idk its just weird to me they make everyone have to stat like a tank |
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Post by ♪Sumire on Oct 29, 2020 4:16:29 GMT
theyre good but vit is meh unless u wanna force urself to farm ep6
im able to do ep6 as long the boss doesnt have any stun/hp dmg with 1 crt since im a mix build that can also use raiton if the boss hits faster than my fastest yin interval (ofc given they are not immune to paralyze)
some players can build agi crt str maxed rest to vit though
(personally im using str dex crt rest agi and can still get up to 1.2k eva without sacrificing any dmg at all --- vit is pointless since my claw and Al together gives me -60% magic res xD)
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Post by Pixie on Oct 29, 2020 9:53:28 GMT
theyre good but vit is meh unless u wanna force urself to farm ep6 im able to do ep6 as long the boss doesnt have any stun/hp dmg with 1 crt since im a mix build that can also use raiton if the boss hits faster than my fastest yin interval (ofc given they are not immune to paralyze) some players can build agi crt str maxed rest to vit though (personally im using str dex crt rest agi and can still get up to 1.2k eva without sacrificing any dmg at all --- vit is pointless since my claw and Al together gives me -60% magic res xD) How u survive hits that go through clones o.O Also how u not run out of mp every 3 mob kills xD |
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Post by ♪Sumire on Oct 30, 2020 2:54:56 GMT
theyre good but vit is meh unless u wanna force urself to farm ep6 im able to do ep6 as long the boss doesnt have any stun/hp dmg with 1 crt since im a mix build that can also use raiton if the boss hits faster than my fastest yin interval (ofc given they are not immune to paralyze) some players can build agi crt str maxed rest to vit though (personally im using str dex crt rest agi and can still get up to 1.2k eva without sacrificing any dmg at all --- vit is pointless since my claw and Al together gives me -60% magic res xD) How u survive hits that go through clones o.O Also how u not run out of mp every 3 mob kills xD simple i dont xD -- this is why i trained my pets to be the best on supporting classes that are very squishy(i have 6 lv100 high vit pets with me ) evasion might not be good on new bosses but its a hell of a helper on ep5 below --my bursts wont be reduced by 30% cause boss keeps hitting my clones before i can even doc (simple matter to 2 shot 4m hp bosses with my current gear now after all) also i know how to abuse des move(for buff wipe bosses) and cmo locking on non wipes so i nvr have issues with mp (also have a 1 weap that increases my maxp with aton of item rec+% and making my hp1 so i can reuse dess move without any delay -- this is why i preferred dex over agi and sirius over any other claws) anything else i just device methods that will make my farm faster |
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Post by Pixie on Oct 30, 2020 11:09:20 GMT
How u survive hits that go through clones o.O Also how u not run out of mp every 3 mob kills xD simple i dont xD -- this is why i trained my pets to be the best on supporting classes that are very squishy(i have 6 lv100 high vit pets with me ) evasion might not be good on new bosses but its a hell of a helper on ep5 below --my bursts wont be reduced by 30% cause boss keeps hitting my clones before i can even doc (simple matter to 2 shot 4m hp bosses with my current gear now after all) also i know how to abuse des move(for buff wipe bosses) and cmo locking on non wipes so i nvr have issues with mp (also have a 1 weap that increases my maxp with aton of item rec+% and making my hp1 so i can reuse dess move without any delay -- this is why i preferred dex over agi and sirius over any other claws) anything else i just device methods that will make my farm faster It all sounds good, but also sounds patchable in the future. I wish they would just make things work like they should xD |
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Post by ♪Sumire on Oct 31, 2020 5:26:50 GMT
i tried adding atonof hp on my set
most of time ..boss only hits my clones or misses :v
ull still die if boss wants u to die xD ( vit is useless on merario , wizard , and other bosses that hp wipes anyway ) so just pick what u can do (pointless to sacrifice dmg if u want to farm a high tier boss and ends up lowering ur capability on mid / low bosses )
as for agi being the primary build
unless ur gonna invest on qc / usams / sau2/3/usam al
theyre response rate to sudden hp wipes/mp wipes/stuns/ gets stunted by delay
cant have everything after all
(i chosen high dmg+mid survival though ...mix with res set for those stuns so pet wont die with me -- take note and match boss atk intervals if necessary paralyze them as well)
in the end it boils down to how u want ur char to be
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