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Post by Undyne on Aug 28, 2020 21:13:58 GMT
I see Bishop and potentially Necro as capable of doing it. As most ppl have said, main issue is pushing through the first phase, cuz it's an automatic-50% dmg due to elements. I have done it before, requires significant luck/skill to do. Don't bother using Cemetery, it doesn't help lol... especially when map effects pull you out of it, causing it to hurt/potentially kill you. The skill part comes in when you realize you absolutely have to use Phantom Possession or risk timing out, you just don't do enough dmg as Bone Knight. I can tank her all day as Bone Knight, but the dmg is sad. oh i see undyne thank you for sharing your insight as a knowledgeable and experienced necromancer, yes i can see necromancer and bishop having the potential to pull off the solo against non-mq joshuca and that the great struggle is pushing through the first phase as necromancer or the 2nd phase as bishop due to elements like others have said, and your right Cemetery is useless due to map pulling effects, and do you think an autoskill set of opposite elements to necromancer and bishop might help in the respective phases of non-mq joshuca they struggle with? Like powerful dark auto set for bishop, and powerful light auto set for necromancer? Issue is, Light element autoskill are trash lol... you'd be better off spamming Ice Spear, whenever Mercuria Up comes out, it'll get Ice Spear Lv+1. May improve the damage quite a bit, but ofc can't test it myself as it was just released in JP this week.
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Post by Done~with~forums on Aug 29, 2020 0:02:59 GMT
I think with a good balance between eva and HP, a magic nin could do it it'd be hard but possible i think ._.) im not sure but I think she has a skill that ignores clones and hits 60k... my monk has 1.5k eva(10%ish magic eva) and 40k hp but she somehow ignores my lentus and 1 shots me with a 60k out of nowhere
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Post by divinelight on Aug 29, 2020 5:06:36 GMT
oh i see undyne thank you for sharing your insight as a knowledgeable and experienced necromancer, yes i can see necromancer and bishop having the potential to pull off the solo against non-mq joshuca and that the great struggle is pushing through the first phase as necromancer or the 2nd phase as bishop due to elements like others have said, and your right Cemetery is useless due to map pulling effects, and do you think an autoskill set of opposite elements to necromancer and bishop might help in the respective phases of non-mq joshuca they struggle with? Like powerful dark auto set for bishop, and powerful light auto set for necromancer? Issue is, Light element autoskill are trash lol... you'd be better off spamming Ice Spear, whenever Mercuria Up comes out, it'll get Ice Spear Lv+1. May improve the damage quite a bit, but ofc can't test it myself as it was just released in JP this week. yes you are right undyne light autoskill is trash, and when mercuria up gets into en maybe it will be the best option for bishop and necromancer to be able to have the greatest chance of pushing through the respective phases of non-mq joshuca they struggle with due to elements, and when it does come to en i hope to see your necromancer being the one of the very few if not the very first magical non-alchemist spell casting class to have solod non-mq mode joshuca followed by the most prepared of bishops who then follow under the same foot steps to also be one of the very few magical non-alchemist spell casting class alongside necromancer to ever solo non-mq mode joshuca once mercuria up is released, once that is achieved that would be a monumental milestone that shows that even a magical non-alchemist spell casting class can solo non-mq mode joshuca too as long as they have everything they need to survive and take on non-mq mode joshuca!!
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Post by wonderer on Aug 29, 2020 6:13:42 GMT
Two ailments can work good against that boss, blind would force it to get close( good for range classes ) and paralyze will slow down it's hit speed, or even freeze to slow down it's movement speed. I don't think there is any class that can stun it again and again, definitely not assassin, and enchanter with it's stun skill is no good either.
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Post by Undyne on Aug 29, 2020 6:16:58 GMT
Two ailments can work good against that boss, blind would force it to get close( good for range classes ) and paralyze will slow down it's hit speed, or even freeze to slow down it's movement speed. I don't think there is any class that can stun it again and again, definitely not assassin, and enchanter with it's stun skill is no good either. Freeze sadly doesn't affect Boss movement speed, only their Defense. Snipe is great for it if they can Reliably blind, as is Alch if you focus on Evasion/movement speed, as they can also reliably Blind/Para.
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Post by ishayel on Aug 29, 2020 6:34:38 GMT
Use earth autoskill at first, you'll be more mobile as well. she have 2 skills that have fixed dmg and ignore all. One can be avoided, it's the area on ground she create. the second one, you need to have more than 60k hp, no choice, use hp food if needed.
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Dragsbro
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I'm kind of a necromancer, as in playing with SK is just toying with dead stuff at this point
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Post by Dragsbro on Aug 29, 2020 7:35:20 GMT
I think with a good balance between eva and HP, a magic nin could do it it'd be hard but possible i think ._.) im not sure but I think she has a skill that ignores clones and hits 60k... my monk has 1.5k eva(10%ish magic eva) and 40k hp but she somehow ignores my lentus and 1 shots me with a 60k out of nowhere gotta grab hp/resist/rate cut set then ._.)
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Dragsbro
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I'm kind of a necromancer, as in playing with SK is just toying with dead stuff at this point
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Post by Dragsbro on Aug 29, 2020 7:36:32 GMT
Use earth autoskill at first, you'll be more mobile as well. she have 2 skills that have fixed dmg and ignore all. One can be avoided, it's the area on ground she create. the second one, you need to have more than 60k hp, no choice, use hp food if needed. is there a way to see it coming or is it random? The 60k one pwp
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Post by ishayel on Aug 30, 2020 7:18:40 GMT
Haven't found yet sorry
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Post by Undyne on Aug 30, 2020 23:21:51 GMT
Use earth autoskill at first, you'll be more mobile as well. she have 2 skills that have fixed dmg and ignore all. One can be avoided, it's the area on ground she create. the second one, you need to have more than 60k hp, no choice, use hp food if needed. is there a way to see it coming or is it random? The 60k one pwp Its only during her second phase it seems, she literally claps you 3 times in a row for 20k dmg each. Kinda like Iconos from Toram if you're familiar with it. She uses it every 10-15 sec, and it doesn't aoe thankfully With auto pots, you may be able to survive it with 40-50k
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Dragsbro
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I'm kind of a necromancer, as in playing with SK is just toying with dead stuff at this point
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Post by Dragsbro on Aug 31, 2020 19:31:48 GMT
is there a way to see it coming or is it random? The 60k one pwp Its only during her second phase it seems, she literally claps you 3 times in a row for 20k dmg each. Kinda like Iconos from Toram if you're familiar with it. She uses it every 10-15 sec, and it doesn't aoe thankfully With auto pots, you may be able to survive it with 40-50k I guess disable or resist/rate cut set doesnt work? with my current stats id need some hp drugs to get 50k QAQ
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Post by godofafro on Sept 1, 2020 0:59:57 GMT
DragsbroYeah both sets are affected by it, I presume it to be a map or special area attack - those kinds ignore equipments or skill effects. It also seem to depend on hp - ranging from 20k per hit to 30k, which makes me think it's some form of hp related dmg (hits twice whenever it occurs, looks like a purple backstab animation on you) here's some references you can use to see these damages >> disable set timestamp-> 3:32 resist set timestamp -> 5:16 (probably clearest timestamp so far, you can see in battle log) dps set timestamp -> 3:08
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Post by divinelight on Sept 15, 2020 6:17:25 GMT
I have an idea how bishop can reasonably solo non-mq mode joshuca, the matk set tsarita sauro 2((2s if you can afford purchasing it or a 2s maker from coin shop to put in a 2nd sauro 2)) struggler lu drag o lantern taenia up 2s 2 mujies((easy 2s farm)) sbs 2 agira jarmas should all be super refined to q20 to survive and defeat the first dark stage, and now for the 2nd light phase of non-mq mode joshuca we can use a dark autoskill set with Yuru xtals when that is released the dark autoskill set must be super refined to q20 too, mirage dagger 2s frederico sauro 2 ((easy 2s farm)) struggler lu yuru another 2s taenia up yuru mujie and another sbs yuru agira jarma, and with both those sets along with al crystas vatendeth irai leviam ignatz and halios and each set has rc level 5 to 1 the bishop has a much more feasible way of soloing non-mq mode joshuca what do you think of the idea? Its basically pseudo dark enchanter combined with matk bishop you just need to invest max int and max vit and max dex and 256 agi for max aspd for the yuru dark autos lol
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robocosan
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people started using hololive names ingame because of me. im tired of iruna, quitting.
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Post by robocosan on Sept 15, 2020 22:34:43 GMT
I have an idea how bishop can reasonably solo non-mq mode joshuca, the matk set tsarita sauro 2 struggler lu drag o lantern taenia up 2s 2 mujies((easy 2s farm)) sbs 2 agira jarmas should all be super refined to q20 to survive and defeat the first dark stage, and now for the 2nd light phase of non-mq mode joshuca we can use a dark autoskill set with Yuru xtals when that is released the dark autoskill set must be super refined to q20 too, mirage dagger 2s frederico sauro 2 ((easy 2s farm)) struggler lu yuru another 2s taenia up yuru mujie and another sbs yuru agira jarma, and with both those sets along with al crystas vatendeth irai leviam ignatz and halios and each set has rc level 5 to 1 the bishop has a much more feasible way of soloing non-mq mode joshuca what do you think of the idea? Its basically pseudo dark enchanter combined with matk bishop you just need to invest max int and max vit and max dex and 256 agi for max aspd for the yuru dark autos lol or you can go no agi and use high cycle for aspd
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Dragsbro
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I'm kind of a necromancer, as in playing with SK is just toying with dead stuff at this point
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Post by Dragsbro on Sept 16, 2020 6:53:45 GMT
I think with a good balance between eva and HP, a magic nin could do it if you could please make a uncut video of that, it will be a monumental and glorious milestone that could show indeed that there are magical spell casting classes other than alchemists such as magic nin bishop and necromancers etc that are also capable of taking down non-mq mode joshuca especially if they are well prepared with everything they need to survive and take her on. 1) Forget what i said, yeet away evasion 2) Is this good enough?
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