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Post by divinelight on Aug 12, 2020 10:13:47 GMT
Would this Disable hp stone skin set work? Crystal hammer 2s lu 2x kaize pilz, dragonmail lu gashadororo or bodyguard cordal?, ensis shield lu kaise pilz, gaiety ring ns or sbs 2x jahoel?,all auto 1-5, and not sure about als, thank you if you can please help with making the best hp disable stone skin set and changes to the set
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Post by Aza on Aug 12, 2020 11:39:26 GMT
Would this Disable hp stone skin set work? Crystal hammer 2s lu 2x kaize pilz, dragonmail lu gashadororo or bodyguard cordal?, ensis shield lu kaise pilz, gaiety ring ns or sbs 2x jahoel?,all auto 1-5, and not sure about als, thank you if you can please help with making the best hp disable stone skin set and changes to the set I have tried similar things before, it's good if you can proc double/triple negate auto after stone skin is activated, because by then you will get your HP back. I was using: Genius Sauro2 D.mail Bg Cordal Ensis Rudolf (the -maxMP is annoying to some extent) Myrica Douin This is a bit overkill since with draw 4 and special status you have +50% auto rate. It works really well when you are unbuffed, a bit problem for casting enchant weapon but that's okay. In your case, I'd suggest changing Kaise Pilz to Sauro2 on weapon and use Myrica, better if you have Douin in it. D.mail with Gasha is fine. For add there's nothing better I could think of. Edit: Still, for stone skin, I prefer the usual HP set. If I really need strong ss, I will just cast stone skin between boss atk interval. It's easier if the boss is paralyzed. |
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Post by godofafro on Aug 12, 2020 11:46:38 GMT
I can see the set kind of contradict the function of ss vs disable heals
1) Kaiser plitz drops your resistance, so you take in more damage.
This will be good/bad for disable, if your hp is high enough to absorb the damage, you can heal back the same amount which you took.
This is bad for ss, it breaks easier.
2) Ss and disable works in opposing ways. The more damage you take, the higher a disable heals you back.
SS prevents, or lowers the heal that disable procs return to you; but if your intent doesn't cover the need for disable heals, I'd say this is a very good set for "immortality" setup. All you need is hate rise next
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Post by divinelight on Aug 12, 2020 12:21:53 GMT
Would this Disable hp stone skin set work? Crystal hammer 2s lu 2x kaize pilz, dragonmail lu gashadororo or bodyguard cordal?, ensis shield lu kaise pilz, gaiety ring ns or sbs 2x jahoel?,all auto 1-5, and not sure about als, thank you if you can please help with making the best hp disable stone skin set and changes to the set I have tried similar things before, it's good if you can proc double/triple negate auto after stone skin is activated, because by then you will get your HP back. I was using: Genius Sauro2 D.mail Bg Cordal Ensis Rudolf (the -maxMP is annoying to some extent) Myrica Douin This is a bit overkill since with draw 4 and special status you have +50% auto rate. It works really well when you are unbuffed, a bit problem for casting enchant weapon but that's okay. In your case, I'd suggest changing Kaise Pilz to Sauro2 on weapon and use Myrica, better if you have Douin in it. D.mail with Gasha is fine. For add there's nothing better I could think of. Edit: Still, for stone skin, I prefer the usual HP set. If I really need strong ss, I will just cast stone skin between boss atk interval. It's easier if the boss is paralyzed. yes i see aza thank you very much for the recommendation and changes to the hp disable set i will try to change the kaise on weapon to sauro2 and get gasha on d mail and perhaps i could try maxhp 20% on add if kaise -resist is bad((we can wait for an expert opinion for add)), and yes i will try to buy myrica slot and place douin, as for al xtals would these be good? Halios, sauro 2 al, cordal, pauk, and lungage or vatendeth? Yes i am planning on making a dark element enchanter |
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Post by divinelight on Aug 12, 2020 12:25:00 GMT
I can see the set kind of contradict the function of ss vs disable heals 1) Kaiser plitz drops your resistance, so you take in more damage. This will be good/bad for disable, if your hp is high enough to absorb the damage, you can heal back the same amount which you took. This is bad for ss, it breaks easier. 2) Ss and disable works in opposing ways. The more damage you take, the higher a disable heals you back. SS prevents, or lowers the heal that disable procs return to you; but if your intent doesn't cover the need for disable heals, I'd say this is a very good set for "immortality" setup. All you need is hate rise next thank you for pointing out the contradiction that kaiser may pose with the hp Disable set, maybe it is best to replace kaise with ones without negative resist like maxhp +20% for add and sauro 2 for weapon? |
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Post by Aza on Aug 12, 2020 13:00:47 GMT
oh i see aza thank you very much for the recommendation and changes to the hp disable set i will try to change the kaise on weapon to sauro2 and get gasha on d mail and maybe i could try maxhp 20% on add if kaise -resist is bad((we can wait for an expert opinion for add)), and yes i will try to buy myrica slot and place douin, as for al xtals would these be good? Halios, sauro 2 al, cordal, pauk, and lungage or vatendeth? Yes i am planning on making a dark element enchanter Vatendeth is better in most cases. Only after you're confident on bossing you can change it to something else like Catafnia or Shadow of Wandering. Cordal is better replaced by Union Sam or Adventurer. |
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Post by konbanwa on Aug 12, 2020 13:17:35 GMT
i just think its just risky to only use two negate eqs, but ench with their overflowing auto% might make it viable. this, on my opinion, would be just a mediocre set. the meta hp set would obviously beat this. lots of hp multipliers. the 3 negate eq set would also be safer than two.
if you could just get your hands on a genius rather than the hammer, this would obviously lower your hp boost by a large margin however, it would significally boost your survival with the additional negate.
what are you gonna use this set for? to cast a thicc ss while using negate set(havent tested this before, but my theory is that you will not heal?? because its the ss thats taking the dmg rather than your own hp. but i might be wrong on that)? or well a 2 in 1 set but not use it simultaneously?
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Post by Aza on Aug 12, 2020 19:37:13 GMT
If the dmg received is more than stone skin hp and 2 disable proc, you will be healed. You won't get the heal if the ss eats up all the dmg received.
So I think the set purpose is to make an okay ss while reducing the risk of losing HP when you get hit. In terms of ss hp the set is way worse, my suggested set has 67% less maxHP. Switching to HP set mid battle is veery risky because you can get killed right away because of it's negative resistance. If we remove the negative part I think it could work.
Tbh I rarely switch now, most battle are over before the super ss fully breaks. Hp set is used only before entering boss area. The only time when I need to rebuff ss using HP set is in god raid. On other boss, if the super ss breaks, I will just rebuff with the dmg set or resist set.
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Post by konbanwa on Aug 12, 2020 22:22:41 GMT
i never had problems rebuffing ss with my hp set with negative 50% res in between boss fights.
and just like as aza said, thicc ss wont break even after you kill the boss.
i assume this set would just be for emergency ss where the negate would soak dmg so you wouldnt actually take dmg then cast ss.
but if this would be your main hp set, you will have a weaker ss at the start of the fight and would almost certainly rebuff ss.
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Post by divinelight on Aug 13, 2020 0:13:47 GMT
i never had problems rebuffing ss with my hp set with negative 50% res in between boss fights. and just like as aza said, thicc ss wont break even before you kill the boss. i assume this set would just be for emergency ss where the negate would soak dmg so you wouldnt actually take dmg then cast ss. but if this would be your main hp set, you will have a weaker ss at the start of the fight and would almost certainly rebuff ss. Kerrigan the goal is to combine Disable set and hp set together to have a high enough hp to avoid being one shot if ss was destroyed in boss battle and have high enough auto to activate disable almost all times, and following aza's recommendation and yours about needing tripple proc i was thinking of, genius sauro ii, dragonmail gashadororo, ensis maxhp20%, and myrica douin, with auto abilities 1-5 and the als can be adventurer,halios,vatendeth, pauk/shadow of wandering, and sauro 2, blue and red for all als, would this work on making a combination hp disable set that is convenient as a two in one set? |
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Post by konbanwa on Aug 13, 2020 0:31:58 GMT
i never had problems rebuffing ss with my hp set with negative 50% res in between boss fights. and just like as aza said, thicc ss wont break even before you kill the boss. i assume this set would just be for emergency ss where the negate would soak dmg so you wouldnt actually take dmg then cast ss. but if this would be your main hp set, you will have a weaker ss at the start of the fight and would almost certainly rebuff ss. Kerrigan the goal is to combine Disable set and hp set together to have a high enough hp to avoid being one shot if ss was destroyed in boss battle and have high enough auto to activate disable almost all times, and following aza's recommendation and yours about needing tripple proc i was thinking of, genius sauro ii, dragonmail gashadororo, ensis maxhp20%, and myrica douin, with auto abilities 1-5 and the als can be adventurer,halios,vatendeth, pauk/shadow of wandering, and sauro 2, blue and red for all als, would this work on making a combination hp disable set that is convenient as a two in one set? this set would absolutely work, very good survival and i expect you to not expect insanely thicc ss. heres one more question, when do you rebuff ss? when its completely destroyed or when theres a little ss left? |
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Post by divinelight on Aug 13, 2020 0:39:51 GMT
Kerrigan the goal is to combine Disable set and hp set together to have a high enough hp to avoid being one shot if ss was destroyed in boss battle and have high enough auto to activate disable almost all times, and following aza's recommendation and yours about needing tripple proc i was thinking of, genius sauro ii, dragonmail gashadororo, ensis maxhp20%, and myrica douin, with auto abilities 1-5 and the als can be adventurer,halios,vatendeth, pauk/shadow of wandering, and sauro 2, blue and red for all als, would this work on making a combination hp disable set that is convenient as a two in one set? this set would absolutely work, very good survival and i expect you to not expect insanely thicc ss. heres one more question, when do you rebuff ss? when its completely destroyed or when theres a little ss left? i would say when there is little ss left to immediately switch to hp disable combination set via phrase to be safe when rebuffing ss and then back to dark set of crescent 2s frederico dajarte, struggler dajarte, d helm 2s dajarte mujie and sbs dajarte agira also 1-5 autos via phrase on a rinse repeat cycle? And yes i don't expect insanely thick ss but at least adequate ss |
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